Comments on: Teen Challenges Moment-Of-Silence Law http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/10/27/teen-challenges-moment-of-silence-law/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:08:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Michael S. Clark http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/10/27/teen-challenges-moment-of-silence-law/comment-page-1/#comment-64634 Michael S. Clark Tue, 30 Oct 2007 23:04:44 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/10/27/teen-challenges-moment-of-silence-law/#comment-64634 "Michael the USA is being taken over from what I can see. If most people in Saudi Arabia are Muslim it’s expected they have that reflected in their laws." Taken over by whom? And do you honestly think that we would be better off if we imitated Saudi Arabia? Do you really want to mimic places like Iraq where religion is law? Guess in your vision of the US I should look forward to stoning people to death, mutilating the genitals of young girls, and treating women as property? The only difference in regards to Christianity is that the genital mutilating happens with the boys. "Every where in the west the majority are Christian, socialists say we need a separation of church and state then muslims get footbaths in schools." Socialists? The majority of the US supports separation of church and state and that includes most churches and religions, it is not limited to socialists. The foot-baths in schools did not happen in public schools, they were installed by private colleges and as such have no regard to separation of church and state. A private college can do whatever it wants, even be inclusive of Christians and Muslims at the same time. "Taking the USA over from with in is easy. Look at all the political correctness run rampant. People are forced to lie to be politically correct to the forces of socialism. Taking over Rome was near impossible, yet once Rome turned to hedonism et al it didn’t really take that long. Many similarities are there. Even the decline in manufacturing standards. " The only threat of takeover we face is from the Evangelical Christian fundamentalists that want to imitate places like Iraq and turn back the clock to the bronze age. Luckily, Atheism is on the rise. “Michael the USA is being taken over from what I can see. If most people in Saudi Arabia are Muslim
it’s expected they have that reflected in their laws.”

Taken over by whom? And do you honestly think that we would be better off if we imitated Saudi Arabia? Do you really want to mimic places like Iraq where religion is law? Guess in your vision of the US I should look forward to stoning people to death, mutilating the genitals of young girls, and treating women as property? The only difference in regards to Christianity is that the genital mutilating happens with the boys.

“Every where in the west the majority are Christian, socialists say we need a separation of church and state
then muslims get footbaths in schools.”

Socialists? The majority of the US supports separation of church and state and that includes most churches and religions, it is not limited to socialists. The foot-baths in schools did not happen in public schools, they were installed by private colleges and as such have no regard to separation of church and state. A private college can do whatever it wants, even be inclusive of Christians and Muslims at the same time.

“Taking the USA over from with in is easy. Look at all the political correctness run rampant.

People are forced to lie to be politically correct to the forces of socialism.

Taking over Rome was near impossible, yet once Rome turned to hedonism et al it didn’t really take that long.

Many similarities are there. Even the decline in manufacturing standards. ”

The only threat of takeover we face is from the Evangelical Christian fundamentalists that want to imitate places like Iraq and turn back the clock to the bronze age. Luckily, Atheism is on the rise.

]]> By: Dinosaur http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/10/27/teen-challenges-moment-of-silence-law/comment-page-1/#comment-64633 Dinosaur Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:58:36 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/10/27/teen-challenges-moment-of-silence-law/#comment-64633 Michael the USA is being taken over from what I can see. If most people in Saudi Arabia are Muslim it's expected they have that reflected in their laws. The USA is a free country with Christian traditions, Every where in the west the majority are Christian, socialists say we need a separation of church and state then muslims get footbaths in schools. Taking the USA over from with in is easy. Look at all the political correctness run rampant. People are forced to lie to be politically correct to the forces of socialism. Taking over Rome was near impossible, yet once Rome turned to hedonism et al it didn't really take that long. Many similarities are there. Even the decline in manufacturing standards. Michael the USA is being taken over from what I can see. If most people in Saudi Arabia are Muslim
it’s expected they have that reflected in their laws.

The USA is a free country with Christian traditions,

Every where in the west the majority are Christian, socialists say we need a separation of church and state
then muslims get footbaths in schools.

Taking the USA over from with in is easy. Look at all the political correctness run rampant.

People are forced to lie to be politically correct to the forces of socialism.

Taking over Rome was near impossible, yet once Rome turned to hedonism et al it didn’t really take that long.

Many similarities are there. Even the decline in manufacturing standards.

]]> By: Michael S. Clark http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/10/27/teen-challenges-moment-of-silence-law/comment-page-1/#comment-64632 Michael S. Clark Tue, 30 Oct 2007 01:36:57 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/10/27/teen-challenges-moment-of-silence-law/#comment-64632 LoL Dinosaur, that is beyond absurd. The US is not a Christian country. It's a free country, and a true free country does not endorse one superstitious cult over another. Weak for the takeover? Do you really believe that saying the US is a Christian country will magically protect us from being taken over? Taking over the US is near impossible, and saying that it will happen is a ridiculous scare tactic. LoL Dinosaur, that is beyond absurd. The US is not a Christian country. It’s a free country, and a true free country does not endorse one superstitious cult over another. Weak for the takeover? Do you really believe that saying the US is a Christian country will magically protect us from being taken over? Taking over the US is near impossible, and saying that it will happen is a ridiculous scare tactic.

]]> By: Dinosaur http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/10/27/teen-challenges-moment-of-silence-law/comment-page-1/#comment-64631 Dinosaur Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:28:20 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/10/27/teen-challenges-moment-of-silence-law/#comment-64631 the separation of church and state is bad if it wasn't there this wouldn't happen. Even if no religion claims suzerenity there should be something saying the United States is a Christian country. VS Catholic, Baptist etc, all this does is make the country weak for the takeover. the separation of church and state is bad if it wasn’t there this wouldn’t happen.
Even if no religion claims suzerenity there should be something saying the United States is a Christian country.

VS Catholic, Baptist etc, all this does is make the country weak for the takeover.

]]> By: George H http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/10/27/teen-challenges-moment-of-silence-law/comment-page-1/#comment-64630 George H Mon, 29 Oct 2007 06:51:12 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/10/27/teen-challenges-moment-of-silence-law/#comment-64630 For the record, I'm an atheist and I don't think a moment of silence is a big deal. As long as the student is allowed to read or study, it should be ok. For the record, I’m an atheist and I don’t think a moment of silence is a big deal. As long as the student is allowed to read or study, it should be ok.

]]> By: Michael S. Clark http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/10/27/teen-challenges-moment-of-silence-law/comment-page-1/#comment-64629 Michael S. Clark Mon, 29 Oct 2007 03:14:04 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/10/27/teen-challenges-moment-of-silence-law/#comment-64629 Pamela, "separation of church and state" is a phrase used to describe different laws that keep church and state from interfering with one another. Yes, the exact phrase does not exist in the constitution, but the principles and laws are there. As for prayer/silence..... the US is already lagging behind and hanging on the bottom rungs compared to the rest of the industrialized world. The last thing we need is more silence in schools. There is plenty of time outside of school for silence and prayers. If a student needs or wants to pray for whatever reasons, they can and always will be able to do so. Prayers do not need to be said out loud, merely thought out in ones mind, and no one can stop them or say anything about it. There is absolutely no reason for an entire class or school to give up time that could be spent learning (which is the reason they are at school in the first place). Leave schools for learning, the way it should be. Pamela, “separation of church and state” is a phrase used to describe different laws that keep church and state from interfering with one another. Yes, the exact phrase does not exist in the constitution, but the principles and laws are there.

As for prayer/silence….. the US is already lagging behind and hanging on the bottom rungs compared to the rest of the industrialized world. The last thing we need is more silence in schools. There is plenty of time outside of school for silence and prayers. If a student needs or wants to pray for whatever reasons, they can and always will be able to do so. Prayers do not need to be said out loud, merely thought out in ones mind, and no one can stop them or say anything about it. There is absolutely no reason for an entire class or school to give up time that could be spent learning (which is the reason they are at school in the first place). Leave schools for learning, the way it should be.

]]> By: Pamela Stone http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/10/27/teen-challenges-moment-of-silence-law/comment-page-1/#comment-64628 Pamela Stone Sun, 28 Oct 2007 21:35:49 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/10/27/teen-challenges-moment-of-silence-law/#comment-64628 There is no such thing in our Constitution as separation of church and state! Read it, then tell me where it is mentioned in any part of our Constitution. There is no such thing in our Constitution as separation of church and state! Read it, then tell me where it is mentioned in any part of our Constitution.

]]> By: Suzi http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/10/27/teen-challenges-moment-of-silence-law/comment-page-1/#comment-64627 Suzi Sun, 28 Oct 2007 03:00:46 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/10/27/teen-challenges-moment-of-silence-law/#comment-64627 The law is what says there shall be a moment of silence. Therefore the school district is following the law. But I think the courts will say that it is a legitimate disagreement. We take time out of our instructional day to eat... Why shouldn't we take time out to think? The law is what says there shall be a moment of silence. Therefore the school district is following the law. But I think the courts will say that it is a legitimate disagreement.

We take time out of our instructional day to eat… Why shouldn’t we take time out to think?

]]> By: Douglas V. Gibbs http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/10/27/teen-challenges-moment-of-silence-law/comment-page-1/#comment-64626 Douglas V. Gibbs Sun, 28 Oct 2007 02:31:34 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/10/27/teen-challenges-moment-of-silence-law/#comment-64626 simply stated, it gives the option of silence or prayer. Nothing is being forced on anybody in regards to religion. A moment of silence is a moment of meditation for some, a moment of thought for others, and a mament of prayer for some. But prayer is not being forced upon anybody. This is just another example of atheist activism that has decided that they should have a freedom to reject God, but that Christians should not have a freedom to accept Him (of course concessions shall be made for any other religion, i.e. Muslims) simply stated, it gives the option of silence or prayer. Nothing is being forced on anybody in regards to religion. A moment of silence is a moment of meditation for some, a moment of thought for others, and a mament of prayer for some. But prayer is not being forced upon anybody. This is just another example of atheist activism that has decided that they should have a freedom to reject God, but that Christians should not have a freedom to accept Him (of course concessions shall be made for any other religion, i.e. Muslims)

]]> By: Faultline USA http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/10/27/teen-challenges-moment-of-silence-law/comment-page-1/#comment-64625 Faultline USA Sat, 27 Oct 2007 22:07:23 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/10/27/teen-challenges-moment-of-silence-law/#comment-64625 I think we are going about it all the wrong way. Christians should lobby for a new law where teachers are required to give five minutes of silence in every class with the stipulation that “students shall remain quietly seated at their desks and under no circumstances should they be allowed to think, to reflect, or God Forbid – to pray.” I think we are going about it all the wrong way. Christians should lobby for a new law where teachers are required to give five minutes of silence in every class with the stipulation that “students shall remain quietly seated at their desks and under no circumstances should they be allowed to think, to reflect, or God Forbid – to pray.”

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