Comments on: ACLU Attacking Prayer in Louisiana http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/05/21/aclu-attacking-prayer-in-louisiana/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:01:05 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: Brujo Blanco http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/05/21/aclu-attacking-prayer-in-louisiana/comment-page-1/#comment-63150 Brujo Blanco Fri, 25 May 2007 03:11:53 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/05/21/aclu-attacking-prayer-in-louisiana/#comment-63150 "It’s just not that simple. Under certain circumstances, the constitution does conflict with itself. Taking your “individual rights are absolute” reasoning to its logical extreme" Where is there conflict when a person prays in public. No where did I indicate that individual rights were absolute. The consitution does not say where one can practice religion and where one cannot. Yelling fire in a crowded theater is not free speech because in endangers others. “It’s just not that simple. Under certain circumstances, the constitution does conflict with itself. Taking your “individual rights are absolute” reasoning to its logical extreme”

Where is there conflict when a person prays in public. No where did I indicate that individual rights were absolute. The consitution does not say where one can practice religion and where one cannot. Yelling fire in a crowded theater is not free speech because in endangers others.

]]> By: gary l. day http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/05/21/aclu-attacking-prayer-in-louisiana/comment-page-1/#comment-63149 gary l. day Tue, 22 May 2007 15:54:28 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/05/21/aclu-attacking-prayer-in-louisiana/#comment-63149 Carl, I have read the passage in question (and much more besides), and it's pretty specific about how public prayers and displays of piety are much less worthwhile and trustworthy in motivation than private, personal prayer, which Jesus specifically preferred. Carl, I have read the passage in question (and much more besides), and it’s
pretty specific about how public prayers and displays of piety are much less
worthwhile and trustworthy in motivation than private, personal prayer, which
Jesus specifically preferred.

]]> By: Carl http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/05/21/aclu-attacking-prayer-in-louisiana/comment-page-1/#comment-63148 Carl Tue, 22 May 2007 12:27:22 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/05/21/aclu-attacking-prayer-in-louisiana/#comment-63148 gary wrote: <blockquote>I just don’t understand why all you “good christians” are so intent on protecting and promoting this whole “prayer in public venues” crusade–which I would think would be in direct opposition to Jesus’ rubric against public displays of piety.</blockquote> gary, Jesus didn't forbid nor condemn public prayers. Jesus spoke out against selfish MOTIVATION for public prayer as the Pharisees were wont to do. If you plan to post in the future concerning what is within the Bible, I suggest that you at least read it. Otherwise you show yourself to be lacking knowledge and understanding as you have exhibited here. gary wrote:

I just don’t understand why all you “good christians” are so intent on protecting and promoting this whole “prayer in public venues” crusade–which I would think would be in direct opposition to Jesus’ rubric against public displays of piety.

gary, Jesus didn’t forbid nor condemn public prayers. Jesus spoke out against selfish MOTIVATION for public prayer as the Pharisees were wont to do. If you plan to post in the future concerning what is within the Bible, I suggest that you at least read it. Otherwise you show yourself to be lacking knowledge and understanding as you have exhibited here.

]]> By: Joe S http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/05/21/aclu-attacking-prayer-in-louisiana/comment-page-1/#comment-63147 Joe S Tue, 22 May 2007 00:33:40 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/05/21/aclu-attacking-prayer-in-louisiana/#comment-63147 Think of it this way...suppose if I were offended that clothes were worn at graduations (which I'm not), my right to not be offended would be somehow protected...and none would then be allowed to wear clothes. That is how ridiculous these leftest, godless, sensless people are. Their attempts to not allow young people to share their faith and hearts at THEIR OWN graduations make them look THAT stupid. ;) Think of it this way…suppose if I were offended that clothes were worn at graduations (which I’m not), my right to not be offended would be somehow protected…and none would then be allowed to wear clothes.

That is how ridiculous these leftest, godless, sensless people are. Their attempts to not allow young people to share their faith and hearts at THEIR OWN graduations make them look THAT stupid.
;)

]]> By: Jeff Molby http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/05/21/aclu-attacking-prayer-in-louisiana/comment-page-1/#comment-63146 Jeff Molby Mon, 21 May 2007 23:05:53 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/05/21/aclu-attacking-prayer-in-louisiana/#comment-63146 <blockquote>The consitution protects individual rights. One of those rights is that no law can be applied to the practice of religion. </blockquote> It's just not that simple. Under certain circumstances, the constitution <em>does</em> conflict with itself. Taking your "individual rights are absolute" reasoning to its logical extreme, the Establishment Clause itself would be unconstitutional. After all, if congress <em>did</em> establish a national religion, that would be within the congressmen's individual right to promote their religion, right?

The consitution protects individual rights. One of those rights is that no law can be applied to the practice of religion.

It’s just not that simple. Under certain circumstances, the constitution does conflict with itself. Taking your “individual rights are absolute” reasoning to its logical extreme, the Establishment Clause itself would be unconstitutional. After all, if congress did establish a national religion, that would be within the congressmen’s individual right to promote their religion, right?

]]> By: Brujo Blanco http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/05/21/aclu-attacking-prayer-in-louisiana/comment-page-1/#comment-63145 Brujo Blanco Mon, 21 May 2007 21:45:42 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/05/21/aclu-attacking-prayer-in-louisiana/#comment-63145 The consitution protects individual rights. One of those rights is that no law can be applied to the practice of religion. There is no harm when a person prays anytime anywhere. No one is being forced to pray so no one should be forced not to pray. The consitution protects individual rights. One of those rights is that no law can be applied to the practice of religion. There is no harm when a person prays anytime anywhere. No one is being forced to pray so no one should be forced not to pray.

]]> By: Roberta http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/05/21/aclu-attacking-prayer-in-louisiana/comment-page-1/#comment-63144 Roberta Mon, 21 May 2007 21:20:07 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/05/21/aclu-attacking-prayer-in-louisiana/#comment-63144 There is a difference between praying in public for hypocrisy or for simply praying together in what happens to be out in public place. Matthew 6: 5 - 6 explains it pretty well. There is a difference between praying in public for hypocrisy or for simply praying together in what happens to be out in public place. Matthew 6: 5 – 6 explains it pretty well.

]]> By: Jenn http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/05/21/aclu-attacking-prayer-in-louisiana/comment-page-1/#comment-63143 Jenn Mon, 21 May 2007 19:22:35 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/05/21/aclu-attacking-prayer-in-louisiana/#comment-63143 I don't know, I'm an atheist, but I seem to sense a certain loss of morals and character since "god" was removed by schools. All they are now are indoctrination centers who pump you with Goracle nonsense (just read a story this morning about one kid who has watched "Inconvenient Truth" 4 times at his high school) or they force 12 year olds to watch R rated movies like Brokeback Mountain. I think it's time they did bring "god" back to schools, and frankly these kids voted for it so whoever complained can STFU. I don’t know, I’m an atheist, but I seem to sense a certain loss of morals and character since “god” was removed by schools. All they are now are indoctrination centers who pump you with Goracle nonsense (just read a story this morning about one kid who has watched “Inconvenient Truth” 4 times at his high school) or they force 12 year olds to watch R rated movies like Brokeback Mountain.

I think it’s time they did bring “god” back to schools, and frankly these kids voted for it so whoever complained can STFU.

]]> By: golden phoenix http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/05/21/aclu-attacking-prayer-in-louisiana/comment-page-1/#comment-63142 golden phoenix Mon, 21 May 2007 18:36:29 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/05/21/aclu-attacking-prayer-in-louisiana/#comment-63142 So just becuase some party pooper whine about prayers at a gradation and the infamous ACLU bring up another one of its stupid lawsuits what a bunch of idiots So just becuase some party pooper whine about prayers at a gradation and the infamous ACLU bring up another one of its stupid lawsuits what a bunch of idiots

]]> By: Jeff Molby http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/05/21/aclu-attacking-prayer-in-louisiana/comment-page-1/#comment-63141 Jeff Molby Mon, 21 May 2007 17:30:21 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/05/21/aclu-attacking-prayer-in-louisiana/#comment-63141 <blockquote>I seem to remember legal precendent concerning this that if a student freely chooses to begin praying publically while speaking at a school event, there isn’t anything unconsistutitional about it.</blockquote> Yes, but there's a wrinkle here. The school is setting aside time for "student-led" prayer. That's hardly the same as a valedictorian choosing to preach during his/her speech.

I seem to remember legal precendent concerning this that if a student freely chooses to begin praying publically while speaking at a school event, there isn’t anything unconsistutitional about it.

Yes, but there’s a wrinkle here. The school is setting aside time for “student-led” prayer. That’s hardly the same as a valedictorian choosing to preach during his/her speech.

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