Comments on: Hate Crimes Bill Introduced http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/04/15/hate-crimes-bill-introduced/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:59:58 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: Edyta Tehrani http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/04/15/hate-crimes-bill-introduced/comment-page-1/#comment-62714 Edyta Tehrani Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:49:07 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/04/15/hate-crimes-bill-introduced/#comment-62714 Christians opposed the hate crime bill because of the fear that once it becomes the law it only takes the change in definition of a hate crime from physical violence causing death or injury to propagating "hate crime philosophy" and start punishing those who simply do not agree with the ideas of certain group. This would make christians criminals just because they see for example gay lifestyle as sinful and The Bible hate literature, which in fact contains many passages ,both in Old and New Testaments, that not only condemn homosexuality but call it abomination. Now, you and I know that Christians are forbidden by Jesus any acts of violence even against enemies but that might not be taken into an account as it happened many times before in history. Christians opposed the hate crime bill because of the fear that once it becomes the law it only takes the change in definition of a hate crime from physical violence causing death or injury to propagating “hate crime philosophy” and start punishing those who simply do not agree with the ideas of certain group. This would make christians criminals just because they see for example gay lifestyle as sinful and The Bible hate literature, which in fact contains many passages ,both in Old and New Testaments, that not only condemn homosexuality but call it abomination.

Now, you and I know that Christians are forbidden by Jesus any acts of violence even against enemies but that might not be taken into an account as it happened many times before in history.

]]> By: Joan Weakly http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/04/15/hate-crimes-bill-introduced/comment-page-1/#comment-62713 Joan Weakly Sat, 19 May 2007 17:58:12 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/04/15/hate-crimes-bill-introduced/#comment-62713 Look at Canada. What are the ramifications of the hate crime already passed there? Are Christians allowed to speak against homosexuality and to promote the truths of the Bible? No. They are being fined and even arrested. ACLU and liberals are trying to silence Christians in many ways in the US. (allowing no mention of God anywhere, not allowing school vouchers {keep brainwashing kids from Kindergarten on}, stop Christian ideas on the airways, hate crimes, etc,). They want their way of life to be the only way by silencing anyone with different values. The liberal judges are making the laws read anyway they want, taking away our freedom of speech, freedom of life, equal justice for all, etc. The fact that Jews and Christians are the only passionately hated of the world religions and the only ones that the opposing group tries to eradicate makes me believe the truths of the Bible even more. (Why do they care what we talk about?) Look at Canada. What are the ramifications of the hate crime already passed there? Are Christians allowed to speak against homosexuality and to promote the truths of the Bible? No. They are being fined and even arrested. ACLU and liberals are trying to silence Christians in many ways in the US. (allowing no mention of God anywhere, not allowing school vouchers {keep brainwashing kids from Kindergarten on}, stop Christian ideas on the airways, hate crimes, etc,). They want their way of life to be the only way by silencing anyone with different values. The liberal judges are making the laws read anyway they want, taking away our freedom of speech, freedom of life, equal justice for all, etc. The fact that Jews and Christians are the only passionately hated of the world religions and the only ones that the opposing group tries to eradicate makes me believe the truths of the Bible even more. (Why do they care what we talk about?)

]]> By: Stanford Matthews http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/04/15/hate-crimes-bill-introduced/comment-page-1/#comment-62712 Stanford Matthews Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:41:35 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/04/15/hate-crimes-bill-introduced/#comment-62712 If someone uses certain words directed toward another and then a physical altercation ensues, I know of cases where hate crime enhancers were included in the charge of disorderly conduct and raised the penalty from 90 days for disorderly to a matter of years. All for using 'speech' that was objectionable to the recipient. Seems like a free speech issue to me. Granted, I haven't seen the bill you refer to but I would be surprised if authors of such bills don't check with each other. If someone uses certain words directed toward another and then a physical altercation ensues, I know of cases where hate crime enhancers were included in the charge of disorderly conduct and raised the penalty from 90 days for disorderly to a matter of years.
All for using ’speech’ that was objectionable to the recipient. Seems like a free speech issue to me. Granted, I haven’t seen the bill you refer to but I would be surprised if authors of such bills don’t check with each other.

]]> By: Tim http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/04/15/hate-crimes-bill-introduced/comment-page-1/#comment-62711 Tim Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:34:24 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/04/15/hate-crimes-bill-introduced/#comment-62711 Why do we need a "hate crime" bill when we can just set the punishment to fit the crimes. I see no reason to make it a worse crime against a particular group unless you really want to allow lesser sentences against the "non-protected" group. Why do we need a “hate crime” bill when we can just set the punishment to fit the crimes. I see no reason to make it a worse crime against a particular group unless you really want to allow lesser sentences against the “non-protected” group.

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