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		<title>By: loboinok</title>
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		<dc:creator>loboinok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Actually, Lobo, you are the one who published the story here and should provide sources â€¦ not just press releases from publicity seeking law firms.&lt;/i&gt;

When I published the story, all I had was a &lt;i&gt;&quot;press releases from publicity seeking law firms.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; of which I provided the link to.

You commented with additional information which consisted of...&lt;i&gt;in other accounts of this story I found&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;in the official police report&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;If the arrest was related to Gideon activities, it would be The Gideons International who would be providing legal defense.&lt;/i&gt; without providing the sources or links to those sources.

Does Gideons International even have a legal arm in their organization to provide a defense?

Keep in mind, not all put as much faith and credence in &quot;police reports&quot; as others do.

The &quot;Border Agents&quot; issue is one example.

It is an evolving story that is shedding some bad light on the Dept. of Homeland Security  and the U.S. Attorney who prosecuted the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Actually, Lobo, you are the one who published the story here and should provide sources â€¦ not just press releases from publicity seeking law firms.</i></p>
<p>When I published the story, all I had was a <i>&#8220;press releases from publicity seeking law firms.&#8221;</i> of which I provided the link to.</p>
<p>You commented with additional information which consisted of&#8230;<i>in other accounts of this story I found</i> and <i>in the official police report</i> and <i>If the arrest was related to Gideon activities, it would be The Gideons International who would be providing legal defense.</i> without providing the sources or links to those sources.</p>
<p>Does Gideons International even have a legal arm in their organization to provide a defense?</p>
<p>Keep in mind, not all put as much faith and credence in &#8220;police reports&#8221; as others do.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Border Agents&#8221; issue is one example.</p>
<p>It is an evolving story that is shedding some bad light on the Dept. of Homeland Security  and the U.S. Attorney who prosecuted the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Lobo, you are the one who published the story here and should provide sources ... not just press releases from publicity seeking law firms.  Fortunately, you can all look up the public records easily on the web yourselves.  Another interesting twist is that these two dear men who were arrested were NOT wearing a suit and tie in the arrest pictures.  This is quite unusual -- I&#039;m pretty sure that Gideon attire is always a suit and tie when giving out Bible -- I guess it just looks more professional than a couple guys in golf shirts hanging out around a school ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Lobo, you are the one who published the story here and should provide sources &#8230; not just press releases from publicity seeking law firms.  Fortunately, you can all look up the public records easily on the web yourselves.  Another interesting twist is that these two dear men who were arrested were NOT wearing a suit and tie in the arrest pictures.  This is quite unusual &#8212; I&#8217;m pretty sure that Gideon attire is always a suit and tie when giving out Bible &#8212; I guess it just looks more professional than a couple guys in golf shirts hanging out around a school &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Interested-Participant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interested-Participant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Gideons Jailed for Bibles&lt;/strong&gt;

I&#039;d speculate that it should be possible to lodge a civil rights complaint against the school principal, Annette Martinson, the Key Largo School System and the Monroe County Sheriff&#039;s Office, claiming denial of religious freedom.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;d speculate that it should be possible to lodge a civil rights complaint against the school principal, Annette Martinson, the Key Largo School System and the Monroe County Sheriff&#8217;s Office, claiming denial of religious freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuck On Stupid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stuck On Stupid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 14:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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&nbsp; &nbsp; Gideons handing out Bibles on public sidewalk arrested after school officials complain by loboinok @ 5:07 am. Filed under ACLU , Church And State, 1st Amendment, News &copy; 2007 WorldNetDaily.com Two men who are members of Gideons Intern...</description>
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<p>&#38;nbsp; &#38;nbsp; Gideons handing out Bibles on public sidewalk arrested after school officials complain by loboinok @ 5:07 am. Filed under ACLU , Church And State, 1st Amendment, News &#38;copy; 2007 WorldNetDaily.com Two men who are members of Gideons Intern&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Smitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 14:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ACLU has represented neo-nazis and klan members in free speech and free assembly claims. they&#039;sve even sidded for Rush Limbabaugh.  Also, the ACLU doesn&#039;t get involved with directly representing someone unless they are asked. They do file friend of the court briefs and wiegh in on issues but they have to be asked for direct help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ACLU has represented neo-nazis and klan members in free speech and free assembly claims. they&#8217;sve even sidded for Rush Limbabaugh.  Also, the ACLU doesn&#8217;t get involved with directly representing someone unless they are asked. They do file friend of the court briefs and wiegh in on issues but they have to be asked for direct help.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 09:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Frank,

It would be helpful if you would provide sources for your statements&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Read the updated WND article.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54150
It doesn&#039;t exactly back Frank up, but it does go into detail about the officer&#039;s report. Apparently there is a dispute over whether the road &#38; sidewalk in question are public property. If it is a private road, the trespassing charge is going to stick.

&lt;blockquote&gt;â€œWhat exactly does this story have to do with the ACLU?â€

The fact that this blog covers a few stories that have nothing to do with the ACLU asideâ€¦&lt;/blockquote&gt;
There&#039;s nothing wrong with branching out into other stories, but this article is &quot;Filed under ACLU, ...&quot;

&lt;blockquote&gt;Well, since the ACLU is supposed to protect citizens against things like this. Them not protecting the Gideons makes it about them, does it not?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That&#039;s quite a stretch. The men in question have competent representation in the ADF and I&#039;m sure they trust the ADF a lot more than they trust the ACLU, so it&#039;s disingenuous to suggest the ACLU&#039;s lack of involvement in this case is tantamount to siding with the police.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Frank,</p>
<p>It would be helpful if you would provide sources for your statements</p></blockquote>
<p>Read the updated WND article.<br />
<a href="http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54150" rel="nofollow">http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54150</a><br />
It doesn&#8217;t exactly back Frank up, but it does go into detail about the officer&#8217;s report. Apparently there is a dispute over whether the road &#38;#38; sidewalk in question are public property. If it is a private road, the trespassing charge is going to stick.</p>
<blockquote><p>â€œWhat exactly does this story have to do with the ACLU?â€</p>
<p>The fact that this blog covers a few stories that have nothing to do with the ACLU asideâ€¦</p></blockquote>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing wrong with branching out into other stories, but this article is &#8220;Filed under ACLU, &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>Well, since the ACLU is supposed to protect citizens against things like this. Them not protecting the Gideons makes it about them, does it not?</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s quite a stretch. The men in question have competent representation in the ADF and I&#8217;m sure they trust the ADF a lot more than they trust the ACLU, so it&#8217;s disingenuous to suggest the ACLU&#8217;s lack of involvement in this case is tantamount to siding with the police.</p>
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		<title>By: loboinok</title>
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		<dc:creator>loboinok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 04:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William T, (or more accurately, &quot;Floppy Shoes&quot;)

Profanity is not permitted on this site.

Ironically, deleting your post has the same result as what you proposed for the Gideons. All things being equal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William T, (or more accurately, &#8220;Floppy Shoes&#8221;)</p>
<p>Profanity is not permitted on this site.</p>
<p>Ironically, deleting your post has the same result as what you proposed for the Gideons. All things being equal.</p>
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		<title>By: loboinok</title>
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		<dc:creator>loboinok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 04:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank,

It would be helpful if you would provide sources for your statements... &lt;i&gt;in other accounts of this story I found and in the official police report...&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;sat in their vehicle and called police headquarters to complain instead of getting off the property.&lt;/i&gt;

Was their car parked on &quot;school property&quot; such as the school parking lot or was it on the public street?

&lt;i&gt;it seems quite unfortunate that our Gideon friends failed to use wisdom in their activities after the distribution ceased.&lt;/i&gt;

While I admit that anything is possible, it is widely known that Gideons have always complied with requests or orders of law enforcement and all other authority.

If you can show that not to be true, it would lend more weight to your contentions.

Actually, Aside from your statements of the parties involved, everything else is just speculation.

If you have some actual facts to refute any part of the article...post them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank,</p>
<p>It would be helpful if you would provide sources for your statements&#8230; <i>in other accounts of this story I found and in the official police report&#8230;</i></p>
<p><i>sat in their vehicle and called police headquarters to complain instead of getting off the property.</i></p>
<p>Was their car parked on &#8220;school property&#8221; such as the school parking lot or was it on the public street?</p>
<p><i>it seems quite unfortunate that our Gideon friends failed to use wisdom in their activities after the distribution ceased.</i></p>
<p>While I admit that anything is possible, it is widely known that Gideons have always complied with requests or orders of law enforcement and all other authority.</p>
<p>If you can show that not to be true, it would lend more weight to your contentions.</p>
<p>Actually, Aside from your statements of the parties involved, everything else is just speculation.</p>
<p>If you have some actual facts to refute any part of the article&#8230;post them.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 02:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notice: it says, &quot;have been arrested after trying to hand out Bibles on a public sidewalk&quot; -- that is possibly true, but the key word I noticed was &quot;after&quot; -- there&#039;s something missing here that you need to be aware of: in other accounts of this story I found and in the official police report, they were actually arrested for trespassing, and that only after they went and sat in their vehicle and called police headquarters to complain instead of getting off the property.  Again, it was not because they passed out Bibles on the sidewalk, but because they did NOT have the legal right to park their vehicle on the school property after the school asked them not to do so.

This is a very important distinction.  Whereas I personally disagree with the school authorities in refusing to allow a peaceable activity to continue, it seems quite unfortunate that our Gideon friends failed to use wisdom in their activities after the distribution ceased.

In addition, please notice that the Alliance Defense Fund is the legal representative.  If the arrest was related to Gideon activities, it would be The Gideons International who would be providing legal defense.  And finally, if they really were defending a Gideon activity, they would NOT be issuing public statements concerning the defense.

So the only conclusion to draw is that it appears that two men who had been performing an activity in relationship to the Gideon program were arrested, as was was stated, &quot;AFTER&quot; a Gideon activity, but what they were arrested for was not at all Gideon related.

Very sad indeed.  Please pray for these men, and for a minimizing of the damage their action may do to the cause to which they were obviously committed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice: it says, &#8220;have been arrested after trying to hand out Bibles on a public sidewalk&#8221; &#8212; that is possibly true, but the key word I noticed was &#8220;after&#8221; &#8212; there&#8217;s something missing here that you need to be aware of: in other accounts of this story I found and in the official police report, they were actually arrested for trespassing, and that only after they went and sat in their vehicle and called police headquarters to complain instead of getting off the property.  Again, it was not because they passed out Bibles on the sidewalk, but because they did NOT have the legal right to park their vehicle on the school property after the school asked them not to do so.</p>
<p>This is a very important distinction.  Whereas I personally disagree with the school authorities in refusing to allow a peaceable activity to continue, it seems quite unfortunate that our Gideon friends failed to use wisdom in their activities after the distribution ceased.</p>
<p>In addition, please notice that the Alliance Defense Fund is the legal representative.  If the arrest was related to Gideon activities, it would be The Gideons International who would be providing legal defense.  And finally, if they really were defending a Gideon activity, they would NOT be issuing public statements concerning the defense.</p>
<p>So the only conclusion to draw is that it appears that two men who had been performing an activity in relationship to the Gideon program were arrested, as was was stated, &#8220;AFTER&#8221; a Gideon activity, but what they were arrested for was not at all Gideon related.</p>
<p>Very sad indeed.  Please pray for these men, and for a minimizing of the damage their action may do to the cause to which they were obviously committed.</p>
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		<title>By: A Lady's Ruminations</title>
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Gideons handing out Bibles on public sidewalk arrested after school officials complain

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<p>Two men who are members of Gideons International, the Christian organization that is famous for, among other ministri&#8230;</p>
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