Comments on: Censorship in the Name of Inclusion: The Case of the Wren Cross http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/02/07/censorship-in-the-name-of-inclusion-the-case-of-the-wren-cross/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:01:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: DTS http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/02/07/censorship-in-the-name-of-inclusion-the-case-of-the-wren-cross/comment-page-1/#comment-61557 DTS Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:13:23 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/02/07/censorship-in-the-name-of-inclusion-the-case-of-the-wren-cross/#comment-61557 Here's the problem. The new policy removes the cross during tours. The Wren Chapel is part of Colonial Williamsburg. It is opened to visitors and tourists seeking to "experience" the College as it was in 1732. If the purpose was to achieve Historical Accuracy then Nichol would need to remove the cross, but put up the Lord's Prayer, Apostles' Creed and the Ten Commandments, as were required by Canon Law in 1732 and are on display at the sister space in Bruton Parish Church, just 2,000 feet away. But he didn't. He didn't seek accuracy. He sought to purge the Chapel of it's Anglican history. This isn't simply a public building. It's a very very historic and significant building with a rich, Anglican history. The complete history needs to be told. Here’s the problem. The new policy removes the cross during tours. The Wren Chapel is part of
Colonial Williamsburg. It is opened to visitors and tourists seeking to “experience”
the College as it was in 1732. If the purpose was to achieve Historical Accuracy
then Nichol would need to remove the cross, but put up the Lord’s Prayer, Apostles’ Creed and
the Ten Commandments, as were required by Canon Law in 1732 and are on display at the sister space in
Bruton Parish Church, just 2,000 feet away. But he didn’t. He didn’t seek accuracy. He sought to purge
the Chapel of it’s Anglican history. This isn’t simply a public building. It’s a very very historic
and significant building with a rich, Anglican history. The complete history needs to be told.

]]> By: jcb http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/02/07/censorship-in-the-name-of-inclusion-the-case-of-the-wren-cross/comment-page-1/#comment-61556 jcb Thu, 08 Feb 2007 12:30:23 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/02/07/censorship-in-the-name-of-inclusion-the-case-of-the-wren-cross/#comment-61556 It's an attack because in a diverse and tolerant world, there is only one religion that needs to be surpressed, ours. It's not a "chapel", it's a Chapel, it's in the name and the University makes no attempt to hide its purpose. If I walked into a room on campus and saw a Koran, can I demand it's removal? Would that be enlightened? If we're such a diverse and tolerant world, why is it so offensive for Christians to be Christians? It’s an attack because in a diverse and tolerant world, there is only one religion that needs to be surpressed, ours.

It’s not a “chapel”, it’s a Chapel, it’s in the name and the University makes no attempt to hide its purpose. If I walked into a room on campus and saw a Koran, can I demand it’s removal? Would that be enlightened?

If we’re such a diverse and tolerant world, why is it so offensive for Christians to be Christians?

]]> By: andrew http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/02/07/censorship-in-the-name-of-inclusion-the-case-of-the-wren-cross/comment-page-1/#comment-61555 andrew Thu, 08 Feb 2007 07:31:31 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/02/07/censorship-in-the-name-of-inclusion-the-case-of-the-wren-cross/#comment-61555 The "Chapel" that the Wren Cross is located in is used as a multipurpose space by groups of varying faiths and purposes. The Cross is placed in the room whenever it is being used by a Christian group, and remains in the room all day on Sundays. At other times, it is stored in the sacristy, which is actually a common practice in Anglican churches. Anyone using the room may request the cross be present. (This is similar to the policies of many military chapels, most of which house Jewish, Christian, and Islamic religious symbols that are rotated depending upon the use of the chapel at any given time) While on the subject of Anglican churches, the Chapel was indeed an Anglican chapel in the colonial days, however, this ended after the Revolutionary War. It remained unofficially affiliated until WM became a public institution in the 19th century. It was only AFTER this that the small tabletop Cross was donated to the church. Before the 1940s, there is no record of there even being a cross in the room. I don't see how this could even be possibly construed as an attack on mainstream Christianity. It's no different than a church that locks its doors when masses aren't in session. The New Testament repeatedly tells of Jesus's tolerance of those of differing faiths, backgrounds, and beliefs. Why can't we Christians take this to heart in modern times? The “Chapel” that the Wren Cross is located in is used as a multipurpose space by groups of varying faiths and purposes.

The Cross is placed in the room whenever it is being used by a Christian group, and remains in the room all day on Sundays. At other times, it is stored in the sacristy, which is actually a common practice in Anglican churches. Anyone using the room may request the cross be present. (This is similar to the policies of many military chapels, most of which house Jewish, Christian, and Islamic religious symbols that are rotated depending upon the use of the chapel at any given time)

While on the subject of Anglican churches, the Chapel was indeed an Anglican chapel in the colonial days, however, this ended after the Revolutionary War. It remained unofficially affiliated until WM became a public institution in the 19th century. It was only AFTER this that the small tabletop Cross was donated to the church. Before the 1940s, there is no record of there even being a cross in the room.

I don’t see how this could even be possibly construed as an attack on mainstream Christianity. It’s no different than a church that locks its doors when masses aren’t in session.

The New Testament repeatedly tells of Jesus’s tolerance of those of differing faiths, backgrounds, and beliefs. Why can’t we Christians take this to heart in modern times?

]]> By: KJO http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2007/02/07/censorship-in-the-name-of-inclusion-the-case-of-the-wren-cross/comment-page-1/#comment-61554 KJO Wed, 07 Feb 2007 21:07:44 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2007/02/07/censorship-in-the-name-of-inclusion-the-case-of-the-wren-cross/#comment-61554 What too many fail to see is that "secular humanism", "diversity", and "political correctness" are all part of the new secular religion. And like any religion it dislikes competitors. The secular humanists know Truth; therefore: Christians don't. They must be shunned and driven out of the environment. It's the Catholic/Protestant wars all over again. What too many fail to see is that “secular humanism”, “diversity”, and “political correctness” are all part of the new secular religion.

And like any religion it dislikes competitors. The secular humanists know Truth; therefore: Christians don’t. They must be shunned and driven out of the environment.

It’s the Catholic/Protestant wars all over again.

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