While we Christians can claim only some founding fathers as fellow believers, the humanist secularist can claim none.

Nice attempt at discounting the fact that he spoke to the chiefs about raising the kids in the Christian religion by pointing out America had other standards as well- the line of your argument is losing credibility Jon- and gosh- speaking in terms that indians understand when describing God to them was proof indeed- boy ya got me there.

No credible evidence? Oh that’s right- those who knew him and said such things were liars- i forgot-

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/01/08/mikes-blog-roundup-57/

In light of the great video at Stop the ACLU and Right Pundits. Below I offer this video. What ACLU lawyer is going to argue with Chuck?

Wallbuilders appears to be a great resource site and the video at the above sites is worth the time to watch.
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I’m going to be off the grid for the next fews days as I travel on business. In the meantime, take some time to watch this video. Then watch it again and memorize three facts from it. You’ll be a better person for it.

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I’ll turn the question around on you. What does it mean if George Washington died a theological unitarian and a theological universalist who never professed being “born again” or accepting Jesus as his personal savior? Does that mean George Washington is in Hell for eternity? Is that thought just unbearable to you?

“You have falsely said that he only spoke of God in a detached manner- He explicitly stated that the Indians should raise their children in the Religion of Jesus Christ.”

And that was done in the context of suggesting the Indians assimilate into American culture. Moreover, there is only one instance of this language and the “religion of Jesus Christ” in America at that time encompassed a very broad tradition including unitarian doctrines which you would regard as “heresy” and “infidelity.”

And I have on record an instance where when he spoke to the Indians and referred to God as “the Great Spirit” exactly as they did, suggesting that Native American spirituality is just as valid a way to God as Christianity.

Finally, there is no credible historical evidence that Washington “made it his daily practice to start the day in prayer” if you are referring to the supposed testimony of “Mr. Robert Lewis.” Though, he did pray to his generic unitarian/universalist God.

“I’ll trust those who DID state he was reverent and saved….”

And I’ll trust Thomas Jefferson, Gouverneur Morris, and Washington’s own ministers who testified that he wasn’t an orthodox Trinitarian Christan.

In fact, I’ll trust Washington himself who never explicitly testified to believing in orthodox Christian doctrines.

He made it his daily practice to start the day in prayer- Yup- that right there proves he was not a Christian- geez dude- Have you nothing better to do than to call those who testified to his faith all liars? Is it so important an issue to you that you judge the man without knowing his heart and call him a heathen despite the fact that he was instrumental in establishing churches, and advancing a religion he obviously felt strongly about? What’s the deal Jon? Does his religion or lack thereof have some other alternative motive for you? What then? What about the other founders of our democracy who WERE absolutely religious, and publicly expressed their faith? I suppose you’ll have to discount all those in your quest to somehow beat the odds and prove this country is not a nation that values Christ’s influence on us.

Several presidents are/were Christian yet never showed it much before the public- Shall you judge their hearts and declare them guilty of secularism as well?

‘George Washington showed no hope of eternal salvation on his death bed’ Gasp- well there ya go- that obviously means he didn’t revere God in his heart and didn’t accept Christ as Savior- Whoops- no it doesn’t- Several people I knew were very serious about their faith yet didn’t discuss it in public much and a couple didn’t even declare a ‘hope in eternal life’ on their death bed- YET the evidence of the Holy Spirit in their lives was VERY evident- they went to God like they lived their lives- Quietly. If you wish to judge his heart- and feel comfortable that he wasn’t saved- then swell- I fail to even see the significance of such a hollow sense of vindication is it? Right after Steve Irwin’s death- internet searches went wild looking for whether or not he was saved- one person gave some sound advice- whether he was or not is for God to judge- there was little evidence he may have been, but whether he was or not does nothing for our own spiritual condition To prove one way or the other is of little value for either side. Good luck on your crusade though- I’ll trust those who DID state he was reverent and saved, and trust that his actions and words were from his heart- beyond that, it really isn’t important in the long run except to him who went home to meet the maker now is it?

Those who knew him best also included his own ministers who called him a deist for refusing to take communion, and Jefferson, Morris and Madison, who all testified that he wasn’t a Christian, at least not in the orthodox sense.

Jared Sparks and Nelly Custis may have defended him as a Christian, but there were just as many if not more who knew him just as well who disagreed.

“you haven’t the slightest inkling of what his heart condition was.”

And neither do you. And Washington, by hiding in a religious closet on his specific beliefs, refusing to identify as a Christian or affirm the tenets of orthodox Christianity, never mentioning Jesus Christ save on two occasions (which speeches weren’t even written in his own hand) and otherwise only speaking of God in a generic monothesitic sense, gave no evidence by his “actions or words” that he was a Christian.

And the following from the “Christian Answers” has no basis in the primary sources:

‘It seems proper to subjoin to this letter what was told to me by Mr. Robert Lewis, at Fredricksburg, in the year 1827. Being a nephew of Washington, and his private secretary during the first part of his presidency, Mr. Lewis lived with him on terms of intimacy, and had the best opportunity for observing his habits. Mr. Lewis said that he had accidentally witnessed his private devotions in his library both morning and evening; that on those occasions he had seen him in a kneeling posture with a Bible open before him, and that he believed such to have been his daily practice.’

God warns us that we are to be devout to Him- NOT to men, nor are we to be devout for the purpose of ’showing others how devout we are’ – Actions not words prove a man’s heart- but you seem to be able to do what no one else can- look into his heart and judge him on outward appearances? You knew his heart? His actions belie your assertions/accusations, and those who knew him best knew he was a fiercely private individual concerning his faith which is exactly as it should be- This link isn’t long but it gives just a few of the many examples and testimonies of Washington’s devout faith http://www.christiananswers.net/q-wall/wal-g011.html Be careful when judging others to impune their character- you haven’t the slightest inkling of what his heart condition was- but yet you make a decision based on the fact that he wouldn’t make a show of his faith in front of men? Me thinks George knew that it was MORE important to be true to God than it was to man’s judgment of his faith.