Comments on: London Expecting Holiday Terror Attack http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/21/london-expecting-holiday-terror-attack/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:08:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Blogs of War » Holiday Attack Fears Focus on London http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/21/london-expecting-holiday-terror-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-60425 Blogs of War » Holiday Attack Fears Focus on London Fri, 22 Dec 2006 17:21:36 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/21/london-expecting-holiday-terror-attack/#comment-60425 [...] Stop the ACLU: It would serve moderate Muslims living in the Western world well to start condemning Islamist terrorists as loudly, forcefully, unconditionally, and publicly as possible. Publicity stunts like the blatant provocation pulled off by the flying imams have soured the general public’s mood toward Muslims. A high-profile terrorist attack during the holidays could set off vigilante retaliatory attacks. [...] [...] Stop the ACLU: It would serve moderate Muslims living in the Western world well to start condemning Islamist terrorists as loudly, forcefully, unconditionally, and publicly as possible. Publicity stunts like the blatant provocation pulled off by the flying imams have soured the general public’s mood toward Muslims. A high-profile terrorist attack during the holidays could set off vigilante retaliatory attacks. [...]

]]> By: Jeff Molby http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/21/london-expecting-holiday-terror-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-60424 Jeff Molby Fri, 22 Dec 2006 03:19:11 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/21/london-expecting-holiday-terror-attack/#comment-60424 <blockquote>It is obvious that the sentence was referencing retaliation aimed at the people responsible — radical Muslims. In fact, the subject is stated in the first paragraph. Why can’t leftists read? </blockquote> I can't read? From the article: <blockquote>Authorities say they are seeking at least 18 suspected <b>suicide bombers</b>.</blockquote> Was bluto suggesting that these vigilantes would run around stomping the scattered pieces? Somehow, I think he was referring to the surviving members of the community. <blockquote>You can’t tell the moderates from the radicals!</blockquote> No, I said: <blockquote>How do you determine those with radical views from those with radical views that intend to act illegally?</blockquote> You don't seem to care much about the difference, but I'm pretty sure we still have a special little law that defends radical views. <blockquote>What you’re really laying the groundwork for there, albeit unknowingly (for you are apparently too stupid to realize it) is the old racist canard, “All XXX look the same.”</blockquote> Don't put words in my mouth. I'm "laying the groundwork" for a presumption of innocence. <blockquote>To which, many have added, “Kill ‘em all.”</blockquote> It sounds like you're the one saying it, not me. I'm saying the exact opposite.

It is obvious that the sentence was referencing retaliation aimed at the people responsible — radical Muslims. In fact, the subject is stated in the first paragraph.

Why can’t leftists read?

I can’t read? From the article:

Authorities say they are seeking at least 18 suspected suicide bombers.

Was bluto suggesting that these vigilantes would run around stomping the scattered pieces? Somehow, I think he was referring to the surviving members of the community.

You can’t tell the moderates from the radicals!

No, I said:

How do you determine those with radical views from those with radical views that intend to act illegally?

You don’t seem to care much about the difference, but I’m pretty sure we still have a special little law that defends radical views.

What you’re really laying the groundwork for there, albeit unknowingly (for you are apparently too stupid to realize it) is the old racist canard, “All XXX look the same.”

Don’t put words in my mouth. I’m “laying the groundwork” for a presumption of innocence.

To which, many have added, “Kill ‘em all.”

It sounds like you’re the one saying it, not me. I’m saying the exact opposite.

]]> By: inrussetshadows http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/21/london-expecting-holiday-terror-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-60423 inrussetshadows Fri, 22 Dec 2006 03:03:44 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/21/london-expecting-holiday-terror-attack/#comment-60423 Oh here we go again. You can't tell the moderates from the radicals! (Oh really? So the Muslim that condemns Osama vociferously is the same as the one who praises him?) What you're really laying the groundwork for there, albeit unknowingly (for you are apparently too stupid to realize it) is the old racist canard, "All XXX look the same." To which, many have added, "Kill 'em all." The very scenario that the left abhors is the one that it creates. Oh here we go again. You can’t tell the moderates from the radicals! (Oh really? So the Muslim that condemns Osama vociferously is the same as the one who praises him?) What you’re really laying the groundwork for there, albeit unknowingly (for you are apparently too stupid to realize it) is the old racist canard, “All XXX look the same.” To which, many have added, “Kill ‘em all.” The very scenario that the left abhors is the one that it creates.

]]> By: inrussetshadows http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/21/london-expecting-holiday-terror-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-60422 inrussetshadows Fri, 22 Dec 2006 03:00:16 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/21/london-expecting-holiday-terror-attack/#comment-60422 Your abilities of distortion are legend, Jeff. It is obvious that the sentence was referencing retaliation aimed at the people responsible -- radical Muslims. In fact, the subject is stated in the first paragraph. Why can't leftists read? Your abilities of distortion are legend, Jeff. It is obvious that the sentence was referencing retaliation aimed at the people responsible — radical Muslims. In fact, the subject is stated in the first paragraph.

Why can’t leftists read?

]]> By: Jeff Molby http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/21/london-expecting-holiday-terror-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-60421 Jeff Molby Fri, 22 Dec 2006 02:59:44 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/21/london-expecting-holiday-terror-attack/#comment-60421 <blockquote>Why would you condemn ‘vigilante retaliatory attacks’against the radical Muslims?</blockquote> 1. I'm not sure about the UK, but vigilante retaliation has been illegal here for a long time. Even Jack Ruby received a stiff sentence. 2. How do you determine the moderates from the radicals? 3. How do you determine those with radical views from those with radical views that intend to act illegally? Bottom line: if vigilantes could target the correct people, the government should stop spending billions and just hire a few vigilantes. Vigilante retaliation is wrong, regardless of how pretty the wrapping paper is.

Why would you condemn ‘vigilante retaliatory attacks’against the radical Muslims?

1. I’m not sure about the UK, but vigilante retaliation has been illegal here for a long time. Even Jack Ruby received a stiff sentence.
2. How do you determine the moderates from the radicals?
3. How do you determine those with radical views from those with radical views that intend to act illegally?

Bottom line: if vigilantes could target the correct people, the government should stop spending billions and just hire a few vigilantes. Vigilante retaliation is wrong, regardless of how pretty the wrapping paper is.

]]> By: Jay http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/21/london-expecting-holiday-terror-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-60420 Jay Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:30:17 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/21/london-expecting-holiday-terror-attack/#comment-60420 Why would you condemn 'vigilante retaliatory attacks'against the radical Muslims? Now, if he had only said Muslims then you might have a point. Why would you condemn ‘vigilante retaliatory attacks’against the radical Muslims? Now, if he had only said Muslims then you might have a point.

]]> By: Jeff Molby http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/21/london-expecting-holiday-terror-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-60419 Jeff Molby Thu, 21 Dec 2006 20:05:16 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/21/london-expecting-holiday-terror-attack/#comment-60419 Emphasis mine: <blockquote>Westerners <b>avoided</b> going medieval on radical Muslims following 9/11...There’s no telling if that <b>patience</b> will continue following another serious terror attack...A high-profile terrorist attack during the holidays could set off vigilante retaliatory attacks.</blockquote> Your choice of words and the lack of an unconditional condemnation of such "vigilante retaliatory attacks" suggest you think they would be justified on some level. Unless you don't consider yourself a moderate Westerner, it takes a lot of the steam out of your argument that moderate Muslims are in some way responsible. Emphasis mine:

Westerners avoided going medieval on radical Muslims following 9/11…There’s no telling if that patience will continue following another serious terror attack…A high-profile terrorist attack during the holidays could set off vigilante retaliatory attacks.

Your choice of words and the lack of an unconditional condemnation of such “vigilante retaliatory attacks” suggest you think they would be justified on some level.

Unless you don’t consider yourself a moderate Westerner, it takes a lot of the steam out of your argument that moderate Muslims are in some way responsible.

]]> By: AShiningCity http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/21/london-expecting-holiday-terror-attack/comment-page-1/#comment-60418 AShiningCity Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:34:11 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/21/london-expecting-holiday-terror-attack/#comment-60418 I am afraid that we won't see any moderates condemning Radicals anytime soon. I am afraid that we won’t see any moderates condemning Radicals anytime soon.

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