Comments on: Where’s the ACLU to Defend the Duke Lacrosse Players? http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/20/wheres-the-aclu-to-defend-the-duke-lacrosse-players/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:27:27 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: Leaning Straight Up http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/20/wheres-the-aclu-to-defend-the-duke-lacrosse-players/comment-page-1/#comment-60410 Leaning Straight Up Fri, 22 Dec 2006 18:35:01 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/20/wheres-the-aclu-to-defend-the-duke-lacrosse-players/#comment-60410 <strong>Breaking- DA drops rape charges in the Duke Lacrosse case</strong> via Drudge: Rape Charges Dropped in Duke Case   Prosecutors dropped rape charges Friday against three Duke University lacrosse players accused of attacking a stripper at a team party, But…  but the three still face kidnapping and ... Breaking- DA drops rape charges in the Duke Lacrosse case

via Drudge:
Rape Charges Dropped in Duke Case&nbsp;&nbsp;
Prosecutors dropped rape charges Friday against three Duke University lacrosse players accused of attacking a stripper at a team party,

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but the three still face kidnapping and …

]]> By: kerwin_brown http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/20/wheres-the-aclu-to-defend-the-duke-lacrosse-players/comment-page-1/#comment-60409 kerwin_brown Fri, 22 Dec 2006 11:09:16 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/20/wheres-the-aclu-to-defend-the-duke-lacrosse-players/#comment-60409 Both the accuser and those were accused were being debaucherous. It is know that rape and false accessions happen under such conditions. They all show contempt for that risk. Some of them have reaped what they sow. It is better they reap it in this world than the next. I am more concerned about the innocent babies who are murdered in their mother's wombs because they have the audacity to have been conceived when their mother chose to have sex. In the U.S. the children are punished for the crimes of their parents. We have no business criticizing the Muslim people or anyone else until we clean up our own act. Both the accuser and those were accused were being debaucherous. It is know that rape and false accessions happen under such conditions. They all show contempt for that risk. Some of them have reaped what they sow. It is better they reap it in this world than the next. I am more concerned about the innocent babies who are murdered in their mother’s wombs because they have the audacity to have been conceived when their mother chose to have sex. In the U.S. the children are punished for the crimes of their parents. We have no business criticizing the Muslim people or anyone else until we clean up our own act.

]]> By: Jeff Molby http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/20/wheres-the-aclu-to-defend-the-duke-lacrosse-players/comment-page-1/#comment-60408 Jeff Molby Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:36:51 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/20/wheres-the-aclu-to-defend-the-duke-lacrosse-players/#comment-60408 Carl, I'm sorry that I wasn't clearer. - I wasn't offering an opinion on the Duke case. - I wasn't offering an opinion on your opinion of the Duke case. - I wasn't offering an opinion on the ACLU in general - I wasn't offering an opinion on your opinion of the ACLU. I was commenting on the article, which I believe to be devoid of substance. I only brought you into it because your reaction was a perfect illustration of the pitfalls of such an emotionally driven essay. Carl, I’m sorry that I wasn’t clearer.
- I wasn’t offering an opinion on the Duke case.
- I wasn’t offering an opinion on your opinion of the Duke case.
- I wasn’t offering an opinion on the ACLU in general
- I wasn’t offering an opinion on your opinion of the ACLU.

I was commenting on the article, which I believe to be devoid of substance. I only brought you into it because your reaction was a perfect illustration of the pitfalls of such an emotionally driven essay.

]]> By: Carl http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/20/wheres-the-aclu-to-defend-the-duke-lacrosse-players/comment-page-1/#comment-60407 Carl Thu, 21 Dec 2006 15:17:02 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/20/wheres-the-aclu-to-defend-the-duke-lacrosse-players/#comment-60407 Jeff, if this is what you choose to rest your case upon, then be glad you're not an attorney because the preponderance of evidence as shown by this blog and others as well as recognized news organizations actually support my point (which incidentally is not a "preconceived notions despite a complete lack of substance" no matter how much you wish it to be so but actually a logical and sound conclusion based upon the ACLU's own actions). But you've chosen to ignore the fact to support the ACLU regardless of its well documented history of supporting & defending liberalistic, socialistic and secularistic causes while ignoring or even condemning conservative causes of similiar or even identical issues. To give a specific example, since you seem to demand it, the ACLU is and has filed lawsuits defending various Muslims' rights of religious symbology (even to go as far as defend one such case where a Muslim student wished carry a curved knife in a sheaf based upon "religious freedom" and that the knife was a "religious symbol" even though carrying such a weapon was in clear violation of school policy and local law) while condemning and threatening lawsuits against Christian symbology (again, specific example: the ACLU's recent condemnation and threatened lawsuits against St. Bernard Parish, LA for plans to put up a memorial for Katrina victims. What does the ACLU object so strongly? The memorial has a cross on it. The problem with the ACLU's objection? The memorial is being constructed on PRIVATE PROPERTY). So don't try to imply that the ACLU's double-standards are some sort of figment of my imagination for it is obviously not. It is indeed factual and extremely well-documented. Finally, your ad hominem attacks are duly noted and indicative of someone who truly cannot defend their position based upon its merits and as such your whole argument becomes moot. It's sad that you choose to close your eyes and mind to the truth regarding the ACLU and its decline into an agenda-driven organization rather than the constitutional defender ideals upon it was originally founded. So in conclusion, the facts speak for themselves and prove conclusively that the ACLU now practices an agenda-driven double standard. And if your cause or issue is in opposition to the ACLU's agendas, then they will not help and more than likely will condemn you. Jeff, if this is what you choose to rest your case upon, then be glad you’re not an attorney because the preponderance of evidence as shown by this blog and others as well as recognized news organizations actually support my point (which incidentally is not a “preconceived notions despite a complete lack of substance” no matter how much you wish it to be so but actually a logical and sound conclusion based upon the ACLU’s own actions). But you’ve chosen to ignore the fact to support the ACLU regardless of its well documented history of supporting &#38; defending liberalistic, socialistic and secularistic causes while ignoring or even condemning conservative causes of similiar or even identical issues. To give a specific example, since you seem to demand it, the ACLU is and has filed lawsuits defending various Muslims’ rights of religious symbology (even to go as far as defend one such case where a Muslim student wished carry a curved knife in a sheaf based upon “religious freedom” and that the knife was a “religious symbol” even though carrying such a weapon was in clear violation of school policy and local law) while condemning and threatening lawsuits against Christian symbology (again, specific example: the ACLU’s recent condemnation and threatened lawsuits against St. Bernard Parish, LA for plans to put up a memorial for Katrina victims. What does the ACLU object so strongly? The memorial has a cross on it. The problem with the ACLU’s objection? The memorial is being constructed on PRIVATE PROPERTY). So don’t try to imply that the ACLU’s double-standards are some sort of figment of my imagination for it is obviously not. It is indeed factual and extremely well-documented.

Finally, your ad hominem attacks are duly noted and indicative of someone who truly cannot defend their position based upon its merits and as such your whole argument becomes moot. It’s sad that you choose to close your eyes and mind to the truth regarding the ACLU and its decline into an agenda-driven organization rather than the constitutional defender ideals upon it was originally founded.

So in conclusion, the facts speak for themselves and prove conclusively that the ACLU now practices an agenda-driven double standard. And if your cause or issue is in opposition to the ACLU’s agendas, then they will not help and more than likely will condemn you.

]]> By: kerwin_brown http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/20/wheres-the-aclu-to-defend-the-duke-lacrosse-players/comment-page-1/#comment-60406 kerwin_brown Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:14:54 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/20/wheres-the-aclu-to-defend-the-duke-lacrosse-players/#comment-60406 From what I heard the Duke Lacrosse case is progressing according to how it should go. I don't see why conservatives even want to interfere in a battle between liberals. Maybe it should become a sporting event labeled The North East Liberal Elites v the Liberal Black Community. From what I heard the Duke Lacrosse case is progressing according to how it should go. I don’t see why conservatives even want to interfere in a battle between liberals.

Maybe it should become a sporting event labeled The North East Liberal Elites v the Liberal Black Community.

]]> By: Jeff Molby http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/20/wheres-the-aclu-to-defend-the-duke-lacrosse-players/comment-page-1/#comment-60405 Jeff Molby Thu, 21 Dec 2006 05:59:22 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/20/wheres-the-aclu-to-defend-the-duke-lacrosse-players/#comment-60405 I rest my case. Carl sees this as further proof of his preconceived notions despite a complete lack of substance. There's probably even a fair chance he'll refer back to it next time someone asks him to support statements like "They will defend the liberal and socialist but remain silent when a conservative is in a similar situation." and "This is shown routinely by their own behavior as documented". Sure, it's incumbent upon the reader to be more discriminating, but let's be honest: many people aren't. We all know that's true, so writing and linking such drivel is a willful attempt to play on that nature. Politics are divisive enough in this country. Don't help this man drive people to dig deeper foxholes. I rest my case.

Carl sees this as further proof of his preconceived notions despite a complete lack of substance. There’s probably even a fair chance he’ll refer back to it next time someone asks him to support statements like “They will defend the liberal and socialist but remain silent when a conservative is in a similar situation.” and “This is shown routinely by their own behavior as documented”.

Sure, it’s incumbent upon the reader to be more discriminating, but let’s be honest: many people aren’t. We all know that’s true, so writing and linking such drivel is a willful attempt to play on that nature.

Politics are divisive enough in this country. Don’t help this man drive people to dig deeper foxholes.

]]> By: Carl http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/20/wheres-the-aclu-to-defend-the-duke-lacrosse-players/comment-page-1/#comment-60404 Carl Thu, 21 Dec 2006 05:45:22 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/20/wheres-the-aclu-to-defend-the-duke-lacrosse-players/#comment-60404 Frankly, I see this as an example of the ACLU's double standards. It's not an isolated incident either. They will defend a Muslim while ignoring the Christian in similar circumstances. They will defend the liberal and socialist but remain silent when a conservative is in a similar situation. The ACLU has an ongoing agenda that regularly sides with liberalism, socialism and secularism. This is shown routinely by their own behavior as documented not only by blogs like this but recognized news reports as well. Frankly, I see this as an example of the ACLU’s double standards. It’s not an isolated incident either. They will defend a Muslim while ignoring the Christian in similar circumstances. They will defend the liberal and socialist but remain silent when a conservative is in a similar situation. The ACLU has an ongoing agenda that regularly sides with liberalism, socialism and secularism. This is shown routinely by their own behavior as documented not only by blogs like this but recognized news reports as well.

]]> By: Jeff Molby http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/20/wheres-the-aclu-to-defend-the-duke-lacrosse-players/comment-page-1/#comment-60403 Jeff Molby Thu, 21 Dec 2006 05:15:31 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/20/wheres-the-aclu-to-defend-the-duke-lacrosse-players/#comment-60403 I understand and respect that. There's nothing wrong with expressing emotions in an editorial. The problem is that he doesn't state them as emotions. There aren't any "feeling verbs." He states his emotions as if they are facts. He's not merely expressing himself in hopes of connecting with his audience. The article follows the textbook structure of a persuasive essay except that it lacks substance. In that context, an appeal to emotion is a complete fallacy. It accomplishes nothing other than pushing people even farther apart. I understand and respect that. There’s nothing wrong with expressing emotions in an editorial.

The problem is that he doesn’t state them as emotions. There aren’t any “feeling verbs.” He states his emotions as if they are facts. He’s not merely expressing himself in hopes of connecting with his audience. The article follows the textbook structure of a persuasive essay except that it lacks substance.

In that context, an appeal to emotion is a complete fallacy. It accomplishes nothing other than pushing people even farther apart.

]]> By: Jay http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/20/wheres-the-aclu-to-defend-the-duke-lacrosse-players/comment-page-1/#comment-60402 Jay Thu, 21 Dec 2006 05:05:23 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/20/wheres-the-aclu-to-defend-the-duke-lacrosse-players/#comment-60402 It probably made him feel better as that is the purpose of most rants. That, and it was probably preaching to the choir a bit too. Why does everything have to have the purpose of changing other people's minds? Sometimes you just want to express the outrage you've been holding inside and hope that some others will identify and share that same emotion..or at least understand it. It probably made him feel better as that is the purpose of most rants. That, and it was probably preaching to the choir a bit too. Why does everything have to have the purpose of changing other people’s minds? Sometimes you just want to express the outrage you’ve been holding inside and hope that some others will identify and share that same emotion..or at least understand it.

]]> By: Jeff Molby http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/20/wheres-the-aclu-to-defend-the-duke-lacrosse-players/comment-page-1/#comment-60399 Jeff Molby Thu, 21 Dec 2006 04:53:58 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/20/wheres-the-aclu-to-defend-the-duke-lacrosse-players/#comment-60399 <blockquote>I’m not calling them either. It is too close to Christmas for such a waste of time.</blockquote> I didn't necessarily expect you to, the fact that the author didn't should have impacted your decision to quote him. This article is a long rant that touches on a slew of things without substantiating any connection between them. On top of all that, he didn't even seek a comment from the target of his wrath. Or if he did seek and receive a comment, it didn't support his conclusion, so he omitted every mention of it. What value does that rant have other than to reassure those with preconceived notions?

I’m not calling them either. It is too close to Christmas for such a waste of time.

I didn’t necessarily expect you to, the fact that the author didn’t should have impacted your decision to quote him.

This article is a long rant that touches on a slew of things without substantiating any connection between them. On top of all that, he didn’t even seek a comment from the target of his wrath. Or if he did seek and receive a comment, it didn’t support his conclusion, so he omitted every mention of it.

What value does that rant have other than to reassure those with preconceived notions?

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