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	<title>Comments on: ACLU: Files lawsuit in favor of race- and sex-based discrimination</title>
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	<description>Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer</description>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 03:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Added to that, you have only sight or perhaps a few moments of conversation to figure out whether the person is a likely criminal. It should be obvious that you have a much less detailed picture of the target, and thus have to rely upon cruder tools than a college admissions rep.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
At what point do you begin worrying about that thing called evidence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Added to that, you have only sight or perhaps a few moments of conversation to figure out whether the person is a likely criminal. It should be obvious that you have a much less detailed picture of the target, and thus have to rely upon cruder tools than a college admissions rep.</p></blockquote>
<p>At what point do you begin worrying about that thing called evidence?</p>
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		<title>By: inrussetshadows</title>
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		<dc:creator>inrussetshadows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 02:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The two cases are worlds apart. Race truly does have nothing to do with ability to perform in college -- culture does, but not race. What will you learn from a person&#039;s pigmentation that their grades, their past, their scores, and their application won&#039;t tell you? I&#039;m mystified.

On the other hand, if you&#039;re a cop on the beat, you don&#039;t have all that information about a potential criminal. All you have is a collection of profiles, which you learn through your own experience or the experiences of others. Added to that, you have only sight or perhaps a few moments of conversation to figure out whether the person is a likely criminal. It should be obvious that you have a much less detailed picture of the target, and thus have to rely upon cruder tools than a college admissions rep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The two cases are worlds apart. Race truly does have nothing to do with ability to perform in college &#8212; culture does, but not race. What will you learn from a person&#8217;s pigmentation that their grades, their past, their scores, and their application won&#8217;t tell you? I&#8217;m mystified.</p>
<p>On the other hand, if you&#8217;re a cop on the beat, you don&#8217;t have all that information about a potential criminal. All you have is a collection of profiles, which you learn through your own experience or the experiences of others. Added to that, you have only sight or perhaps a few moments of conversation to figure out whether the person is a likely criminal. It should be obvious that you have a much less detailed picture of the target, and thus have to rely upon cruder tools than a college admissions rep.</p>
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		<title>By: kerwin_brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>kerwin_brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Racial profiling may sometimes be appropriate but it is usually a fairly foolish one.  One time it might be appropriate if you are trying to stop racial based gangs from killing each other or innocent civilians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Racial profiling may sometimes be appropriate but it is usually a fairly foolish one.  One time it might be appropriate if you are trying to stop racial based gangs from killing each other or innocent civilians.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 02:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;So, in the ACLUÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s world, itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s okay for state actors to confer certain rights and advantages to people based on skin color or whether one stands or sits in the bathroomÃ¢â‚¬Â¦if someoneÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s race or gender is the Ã¢â‚¬Å“rightÃ¢â‚¬Â one?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Whether you support it or not, that has been a valid position for decades.

I disagree with the ACLU on this one though. The voters of Michigan, a pretty diverse state, made it clear they didn&#039;t want to allow racial preference anymore. The ACLU doesn&#039;t have any basis for going directly against that will.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Do I detect a steaminÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ plate oÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ hypocrisy? Even to use Ã¢â‚¬Å“race or gender as one factor among manyÃ¢â‚¬Â is clearly giving certain people advantages not available to others similarly qualified because of skin pigment or nether equipment.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Their position definitely doesn&#039;t match their platform, but you better believe I&#039;m going to quote you if I ever see you come out in favor of racial profiling. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>So, in the ACLUÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s world, itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s okay for state actors to confer certain rights and advantages to people based on skin color or whether one stands or sits in the bathroomÃ¢â‚¬Â¦if someoneÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s race or gender is the Ã¢â‚¬Å“rightÃ¢â‚¬Â one?</p></blockquote>
<p>Whether you support it or not, that has been a valid position for decades.</p>
<p>I disagree with the ACLU on this one though. The voters of Michigan, a pretty diverse state, made it clear they didn&#8217;t want to allow racial preference anymore. The ACLU doesn&#8217;t have any basis for going directly against that will.</p>
<blockquote><p>Do I detect a steaminÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ plate oÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ hypocrisy? Even to use Ã¢â‚¬Å“race or gender as one factor among manyÃ¢â‚¬Â is clearly giving certain people advantages not available to others similarly qualified because of skin pigment or nether equipment.</p></blockquote>
<p>Their position definitely doesn&#8217;t match their platform, but you better believe I&#8217;m going to quote you if I ever see you come out in favor of racial profiling. <img src='http://www.stoptheaclu.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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