Comments on: The Real Purpose Behind The Imam Publicity Blitz http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/17/the-real-purpose-behind-the-imam-publicity-blitz/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:24:34 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: kerwin_brown http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/17/the-real-purpose-behind-the-imam-publicity-blitz/comment-page-1/#comment-60272 kerwin_brown Mon, 18 Dec 2006 09:58:15 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/17/the-real-purpose-behind-the-imam-publicity-blitz/#comment-60272 The First question you should ask if you truly back the Tenth Amendment is does Congress have the jurisdiction necessary to pass this bill. According to my source they use the equal protection under the law clause of the Fourteenth. They also say it is in the Fifth which is an incorrect claim. I assume they mean due process of law clause as well since it is in both the Fourteenth And Fifth Amendment. These two clauses alone do allow separate by equal treatment as decided by Plessy v. Ferguson. The valid point brought up by Brown v. The Board of Education is if the results of the Segregation are equal treatment even if the law treats the segregated population equal. A question I have that was not addressed by either court is whether the U.S. Constitution's purpose of creating a more perfect union will be allowed if segregation of this type is allowed. . If the Imam publicity stunt on America Airlines is covered by this bill then this bill is garbage since there is no clear indication that any racial profiling was used. The question brought up by the stunt is whether Americans are wise enough to sense something is not right even if the individuals involved appear to be Caucasian non Hispanic Americans of European Decent. I hope they are but I do not see legislation rectifying the situation if they are not. My source also mentions that Americans of African and Hispanic decent are stopped more often and searched. There is a social economic difference between both those groups and non Hispanic Whites. Social economic difference is traced to higher rates of blue collar crime among the poor as they attempt to get ahead through fair means of foul and to poorer condition of their vehicles which leads to them getting stopped more often to vehicle violations. There are other social economic factors such as high cohabitation levels, divorce levels etc. that are also known to lead to more rebellious attitudes in the children and more violence in the participants. The lower socio economic classes tend to die younger also. The bill fails to recognize or address the social economic factors and thus is just a form of oppressing those trying to carry out the rule of law. My source: http://www.amuslimvoice.org/html/body_end_profiling_act.html The First question you should ask if you truly back the Tenth Amendment is does Congress have the jurisdiction necessary to pass this bill.

According to my source they use the equal protection under the law clause of the Fourteenth. They also say it is in the Fifth which is an incorrect claim. I assume they mean due process of law clause as well since it is in both the Fourteenth And Fifth Amendment.

These two clauses alone do allow separate by equal treatment as decided by Plessy v. Ferguson. The valid point brought up by Brown v. The Board of Education is if the results of the Segregation are equal treatment even if the law treats the segregated population equal. A question I have that was not addressed by either court is whether the U.S. Constitution’s purpose of creating a more perfect union will be allowed if segregation of this type is allowed.
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If the Imam publicity stunt on America Airlines is covered by this bill then this bill is garbage since there is no clear indication that any racial profiling was used. The question brought up by the stunt is whether Americans are wise enough to sense something is not right even if the individuals involved appear to be Caucasian non Hispanic Americans of European Decent. I hope they are but I do not see legislation rectifying the situation if they are not.

My source also mentions that Americans of African and Hispanic decent are stopped more often and searched. There is a social economic difference between both those groups and non Hispanic Whites. Social economic difference is traced to higher rates of blue collar crime among the poor as they attempt to get ahead through fair means of foul and to poorer condition of their vehicles which leads to them getting stopped more often to vehicle violations. There are other social economic factors such as high cohabitation levels, divorce levels etc. that are also known to lead to more rebellious attitudes in the children and more violence in the participants. The lower socio economic classes tend to die younger also. The bill fails to recognize or address the social economic factors and thus is just a form of oppressing those trying to carry out the rule of law.

My source:

http://www.amuslimvoice.org/html/body_end_profiling_act.html

]]> By: Jeff Molby http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/17/the-real-purpose-behind-the-imam-publicity-blitz/comment-page-1/#comment-60273 Jeff Molby Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:15:26 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/17/the-real-purpose-behind-the-imam-publicity-blitz/#comment-60273 Aside from the presumptive violation, it's a really good bill. I'm not sure how you'd avoid such a provision, though. Bias in any single incident can be rationalized away. It is usually only obvious when you look at the aggregate. Any suggestions on an alternative? Oh yeah, and I abhor language like this: <blockquote>such other policies or procedures that the Attorney General deems necessary to eliminate racial profiling. </blockquote> He doesn't need carte blanche. Just find out what he recommends and add it to the bill. Aside from the presumptive violation, it’s a really good bill. I’m not sure how you’d avoid such a provision, though. Bias in any single incident can be rationalized away. It is usually only obvious when you look at the aggregate.

Any suggestions on an alternative?

Oh yeah, and I abhor language like this:

such other policies or procedures that the Attorney General deems necessary to eliminate racial profiling.

He doesn’t need carte blanche. Just find out what he recommends and add it to the bill.

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