Comments on: New Jersey Legislature Votes to Allow Civil Unions http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/14/new-jersey-legislature-votes-to-allow-civil-unions/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Mon, 13 Feb 2012 15:23:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: jasontromm http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/14/new-jersey-legislature-votes-to-allow-civil-unions/comment-page-1/#comment-60094 jasontromm Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:15:55 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/14/new-jersey-legislature-votes-to-allow-civil-unions/#comment-60094 I didn't say the government should forbid marriage. I just said they shouldn't issue marriage licenses. For most of the history of the United States, people married without the benefit of a marriage license issued by the government. Marriages were recorded by the church and in family Bibles. The idea of issuing a marriage license was originally put in place to prevent whites from marrying blacks, a very un-Christian thing to do. When my wife and I got married, I asked the Preacher if he'd marry us without a license. He said he would, but the government might throw him in jail if he did. The family won't fall apart if the government doesn't issue marriage licenses. No-fault divorce is a bigger threat to the family. I don't hear a whole lot of conservative politicians speaking out the same way against divorce. I didn’t say the government should forbid marriage. I just said they shouldn’t issue marriage licenses.

For most of the history of the United States, people married without the benefit of a marriage license issued by the government. Marriages were recorded by the church and in family Bibles. The idea of issuing a marriage license was originally put in place to prevent whites from marrying blacks, a very un-Christian thing to do.

When my wife and I got married, I asked the Preacher if he’d marry us without a license. He said he would, but the government might throw him in jail if he did.

The family won’t fall apart if the government doesn’t issue marriage licenses. No-fault divorce is a bigger threat to the family. I don’t hear a whole lot of conservative politicians speaking out the same way against divorce.

]]> By: loboinok http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/14/new-jersey-legislature-votes-to-allow-civil-unions/comment-page-1/#comment-60095 loboinok Fri, 15 Dec 2006 22:07:54 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/14/new-jersey-legislature-votes-to-allow-civil-unions/#comment-60095 <i>When is a state going to say, “Fine, if everyone has to be equal then we’ll stop issuing marriage licenses to anyone, gay or straight.”</i> It's not often that I get to use a verse for two different posters, for two consecutive days. 1 Timothy 4:1-3 1But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, 2by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, 3<b>men who forbid marriage</b> and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. When is a state going to say, “Fine, if everyone has to be equal then we’ll stop issuing marriage licenses to anyone, gay or straight.”

It’s not often that I get to use a verse for two different posters, for two consecutive days.

1 Timothy 4:1-3

1But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,

2by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,

3men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.

]]> By: jasontromm http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/14/new-jersey-legislature-votes-to-allow-civil-unions/comment-page-1/#comment-60096 jasontromm Fri, 15 Dec 2006 13:55:04 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/14/new-jersey-legislature-votes-to-allow-civil-unions/#comment-60096 When is a state going to say, "Fine, if everyone has to be equal then we'll stop issuing marriage licenses to anyone, gay or straight." When is a state going to say, “Fine, if everyone has to be equal then we’ll stop issuing marriage licenses to anyone, gay or straight.”

]]> By: Pajamas Media http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/14/new-jersey-legislature-votes-to-allow-civil-unions/comment-page-1/#comment-60097 Pajamas Media Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:31:33 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/14/new-jersey-legislature-votes-to-allow-civil-unions/#comment-60097 <strong>NJ Legislature Votes to Allow Civil Unions Between Same-Sex Couples:</strong> " Of course this is no surprise, as the judicial branch had commanded the legislature to create laws giving gay couples a way to get the same benefits as married heterosexual couples. [...] The main problem I have with all... NJ Legislature Votes to Allow Civil Unions Between Same-Sex Couples:

” Of course this is no surprise, as the judicial branch had commanded the legislature to create laws giving gay couples a way to get the same benefits as married heterosexual couples. [...] The main problem I have with all…

]]> By: kerwin_brown http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/14/new-jersey-legislature-votes-to-allow-civil-unions/comment-page-1/#comment-60098 kerwin_brown Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:07:59 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/14/new-jersey-legislature-votes-to-allow-civil-unions/#comment-60098 All the people for New Jersey have to do is Amend their state Constitution to forbid civil unions. They should consider voting for conservative governors also. Courts have no business legislating whether at the state or federal level as it is a violation of the Constitution's guarantee of a republican form of government. All the people for New Jersey have to do is Amend their state Constitution to forbid civil unions. They should consider voting for conservative governors also. Courts have no business legislating whether at the state or federal level as it is a violation of the Constitution’s guarantee of a republican form of government.

]]> By: Jeff Molby http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/14/new-jersey-legislature-votes-to-allow-civil-unions/comment-page-1/#comment-60099 Jeff Molby Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:16:13 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/14/new-jersey-legislature-votes-to-allow-civil-unions/#comment-60099 <blockquote>Like you said, this only erodes the heterosexual support when it is forced on them. If they want this so bad they should convince the people it is right.</blockquote> I should have been more clear. I meant the fact that they now have rights analogous to marriage would erode support for the rest of their agenda. There are a lot of heterosexuals that don't believe homosexuality is inherently wrong and those people sympathize with the drive for legalized unions. Now that they have achieved that in some states, they will find that they have significantly less support as they pursue the more extreme parts of their agenda. I'm not well versed in the ruling that lead to this legislation, but I'm inclined to agree with it. Marriage, in our society, confers a number of benefits on the couple. It is not unreasonable to consider it discrimination if nontraditional couples don't have similar opportunities. I expect that last statement will draw a lot of fire, but I really don't have any more time to spend today, so go ahead and kick me while I'm away. :)

Like you said, this only erodes the heterosexual support when it is forced on them. If they want this so bad they should convince the people it is right.

I should have been more clear. I meant the fact that they now have rights analogous to marriage would erode support for the rest of their agenda. There are a lot of heterosexuals that don’t believe homosexuality is inherently wrong and those people sympathize with the drive for legalized unions. Now that they have achieved that in some states, they will find that they have significantly less support as they pursue the more extreme parts of their agenda.

I’m not well versed in the ruling that lead to this legislation, but I’m inclined to agree with it. Marriage, in our society, confers a number of benefits on the couple. It is not unreasonable to consider it discrimination if nontraditional couples don’t have similar opportunities.

I expect that last statement will draw a lot of fire, but I really don’t have any more time to spend today, so go ahead and kick me while I’m away. :)

]]> By: Jay http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/14/new-jersey-legislature-votes-to-allow-civil-unions/comment-page-1/#comment-60100 Jay Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:03:47 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/14/new-jersey-legislature-votes-to-allow-civil-unions/#comment-60100 Indeed, and I don't have a problem with them getting it defined as "marriage" as long as it is the people of the state that decide that and not some unelected judges forcing it on the people. Like you said, this only erodes the heterosexual support when it is forced on them. If they want this so bad they should convince the people it is right. They only hurt their cause when they force it through the judicial branch. Indeed, and I don’t have a problem with them getting it defined as “marriage” as long as it is the people of the state that decide that and not some unelected judges forcing it on the people.

Like you said, this only erodes the heterosexual support when it is forced on them. If they want this so bad they should convince the people it is right. They only hurt their cause when they force it through the judicial branch.

]]> By: Jeff Molby http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/14/new-jersey-legislature-votes-to-allow-civil-unions/comment-page-1/#comment-60101 Jeff Molby Fri, 15 Dec 2006 00:53:27 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/12/14/new-jersey-legislature-votes-to-allow-civil-unions/#comment-60101 <blockquote>And of course, this isn’t good enough for the gay activists. They are determined to change the definition of what marriage means.</blockquote> No, but it's enough to erode the vast majority of their heterosexual support. I think a civil union law is a good thing (assuming it is written properly), but I won't support them in pushing any further. At this point, they're just fighting over semantics.

And of course, this isn’t good enough for the gay activists. They are determined to change the definition of what marriage means.

No, but it’s enough to erode the vast majority of their heterosexual support.

I think a civil union law is a good thing (assuming it is written properly), but I won’t support them in pushing any further. At this point, they’re just fighting over semantics.

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