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		<title>By: loboinok</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/11/supporting-traditional-marriage-is-a-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-59918</link>
		<dc:creator>loboinok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I just want to make sure you hate him for the right reasons.&lt;/i&gt;

You are not proficient enough in semantics, to even go there. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I just want to make sure you hate him for the right reasons.</i></p>
<p>You are not proficient enough in semantics, to even go there. <img src='http://www.stoptheaclu.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/11/supporting-traditional-marriage-is-a-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-59919</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Then he calls God a liar and makes himself a false teacher.

One doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t get to cherrypick what they like or not.

Not much different than a blueprint.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Maybe so. I figure that&#039;s for him and his god to work out.

I never said you should like this guy. I just want to make sure you hate him for the right reasons. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Then he calls God a liar and makes himself a false teacher.</p>
<p>One doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t get to cherrypick what they like or not.</p>
<p>Not much different than a blueprint.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe so. I figure that&#8217;s for him and his god to work out.</p>
<p>I never said you should like this guy. I just want to make sure you hate him for the right reasons. <img src='http://www.stoptheaclu.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: loboinok</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/11/supporting-traditional-marriage-is-a-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-59920</link>
		<dc:creator>loboinok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I think it would be fairer to say that he doesn&#039;t agree with all of the scriptures.&lt;/i&gt;

Then he calls God a liar and makes himself a false teacher.

Matthew 5:18
   18For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Deut. 12:32
   32Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it.

There is a stronger, like warning, at the end of Revelation.

One doesn&#039;t get to cherrypick what they like or not.

Not much different than a blueprint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think it would be fairer to say that he doesn&#8217;t agree with all of the scriptures.</i></p>
<p>Then he calls God a liar and makes himself a false teacher.</p>
<p>Matthew 5:18<br />
   18For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.</p>
<p>Deut. 12:32<br />
   32Whatever I command you, you shall be careful to do; you shall not add to nor take away from it.</p>
<p>There is a stronger, like warning, at the end of Revelation.</p>
<p>One doesn&#8217;t get to cherrypick what they like or not.</p>
<p>Not much different than a blueprint.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/11/supporting-traditional-marriage-is-a-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-59921</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 00:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He responds to the controversy in the capacity of a Ã¢â‚¬Å“ReverendÃ¢â‚¬Â.

As such, he then states; At our church, we celebrate marriage and we celebrate families., of which both are clearly defined in Scripture, and then states; I define a marriage asÃ¢â‚¬Â¦&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I think it would be fairer to say that he doesn&#039;t agree with all of the scriptures. He doesn&#039;t attempt to argue that the scriptures support his positions.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I do not subscribe to a particular religion or even religion itself.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Sorry, I should have been more general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He responds to the controversy in the capacity of a Ã¢â‚¬Å“ReverendÃ¢â‚¬Â.</p>
<p>As such, he then states; At our church, we celebrate marriage and we celebrate families., of which both are clearly defined in Scripture, and then states; I define a marriage asÃ¢â‚¬Â¦</p></blockquote>
<p>I think it would be fairer to say that he doesn&#8217;t agree with all of the scriptures. He doesn&#8217;t attempt to argue that the scriptures support his positions.</p>
<blockquote><p>I do not subscribe to a particular religion or even religion itself.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sorry, I should have been more general.</p>
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		<title>By: loboinok</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/11/supporting-traditional-marriage-is-a-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-59922</link>
		<dc:creator>loboinok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 00:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I don&#039;t recall him quoting anything.&lt;/i&gt;

He responds to the controversy in the capacity of a &quot;Reverend&quot;.

As such, he then states; &lt;i&gt;At our church, we celebrate marriage and we celebrate families.,&lt;/i&gt; of which both are clearly defined in Scripture, and then states; &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;I&lt;/b&gt; define a marriage as...&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;but there are many tenets of your religion that I don&#039;t subscribe to&lt;/i&gt;

I do not subscribe to a particular religion or even religion itself. I have a personal, intimate relationship with Jesus Christ.
By Grace He offered me salvation and by faith, I accepted it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I don&#8217;t recall him quoting anything.</i></p>
<p>He responds to the controversy in the capacity of a &#8220;Reverend&#8221;.</p>
<p>As such, he then states; <i>At our church, we celebrate marriage and we celebrate families.,</i> of which both are clearly defined in Scripture, and then states; <i><b>I</b> define a marriage as&#8230;</i></p>
<p><i>but there are many tenets of your religion that I don&#8217;t subscribe to</i></p>
<p>I do not subscribe to a particular religion or even religion itself. I have a personal, intimate relationship with Jesus Christ.<br />
By Grace He offered me salvation and by faith, I accepted it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/11/supporting-traditional-marriage-is-a-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-59923</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say he was right. Personally, I believe he is, but there are many tenets of your religion that I don&#039;t subscribe to, so I don&#039;t expect us to agree on that.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Malmberg perverts the Scriptures&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I don&#039;t recall him quoting anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say he was right. Personally, I believe he is, but there are many tenets of your religion that I don&#8217;t subscribe to, so I don&#8217;t expect us to agree on that.</p>
<blockquote><p>Malmberg perverts the Scriptures</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall him quoting anything.</p>
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		<title>By: loboinok</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/11/supporting-traditional-marriage-is-a-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-59924</link>
		<dc:creator>loboinok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I don&#039;t think we can fairly judge that. For all &lt;strike&gt;we&lt;/strike&gt; I know, God asks &lt;b&gt;him&lt;/b&gt; for advice.&lt;/i&gt;

I am not in your camp, and have enough of a comprehension and appreciation of God&#039;s Omniscience, to  reject that statement in total.


&lt;i&gt;He&#039;s certainly giving advice on morality, but he&#039;s no quoting scripture, just what he believes to be &lt;b&gt;common sense.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

His &quot;common sense&quot; is revealed in this... &lt;i&gt;This man of deep faith and extraordinary charisma was twisted by &lt;b&gt;intolerant theology&lt;/b&gt; that had no room for the man God created him to be.&lt;/i&gt;

The &quot;intolerant theology&quot; that he is referring to is the Scriptures that Malmberg&#039;s common sense should derive from, but instead, he criticizes Haggard&#039;s holding to the Truth of Scripture and condemning himself, which will free him to become &quot;the man God created him to be&quot;.

Malmberg perverts the Scriptures to align with his &#039;reformed, social theology&#039;, thus aligning himself with the apostate church.

Malmberg, among many, is just now beginning to fulfill Prophecy...

1 Timothy 4:1-3

1But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,

 2by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,

 3men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I don&#8217;t think we can fairly judge that. For all <strike>we</strike> I know, God asks <b>him</b> for advice.</i></p>
<p>I am not in your camp, and have enough of a comprehension and appreciation of God&#8217;s Omniscience, to  reject that statement in total.</p>
<p><i>He&#8217;s certainly giving advice on morality, but he&#8217;s no quoting scripture, just what he believes to be <b>common sense.</b></i></p>
<p>His &#8220;common sense&#8221; is revealed in this&#8230; <i>This man of deep faith and extraordinary charisma was twisted by <b>intolerant theology</b> that had no room for the man God created him to be.</i></p>
<p>The &#8220;intolerant theology&#8221; that he is referring to is the Scriptures that Malmberg&#8217;s common sense should derive from, but instead, he criticizes Haggard&#8217;s holding to the Truth of Scripture and condemning himself, which will free him to become &#8220;the man God created him to be&#8221;.</p>
<p>Malmberg perverts the Scriptures to align with his &#8216;reformed, social theology&#8217;, thus aligning himself with the apostate church.</p>
<p>Malmberg, among many, is just now beginning to fulfill Prophecy&#8230;</p>
<p>1 Timothy 4:1-3</p>
<p>1But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,</p>
<p> 2by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,</p>
<p> 3men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/11/supporting-traditional-marriage-is-a-sin/comment-page-1/#comment-59925</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He substitutes his own moral beliefs for Biblical precepts in regards to marriage, but then uses the BibleÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s condemnation for acts that donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t align with his views.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I don&#039;t think it&#039;s fair to make generalizations, but you&#039;re right that he is certainly exercising some degree of independent thinking. Is that so uncommon or wrong, though? I didn&#039;t think there were very many people that embraced any religion in its totality.

&lt;blockquote&gt;If he wanted to be accurate in his statements then he should have also included his own definition of idolatry.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No, his use of the word was factually accurate.
http://www.answers.com/idolatry&#38;r=67

&lt;blockquote&gt;The views expressed in the article are the PERSONAL OPINIONS of one man&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That is undisputed.

&lt;blockquote&gt;uninspired by God&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I don&#039;t think we can fairly judge that. For all we know, God asks &lt;em&gt;him&lt;/em&gt; for advice.

&lt;blockquote&gt;unversed in the Bible&lt;/blockquote&gt;
undisputed.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Ironic that he should be giving advice to others on Biblical scholarship while showing a lack thereof.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I don&#039;t think he was. He&#039;s certainly giving advice on morality, but he&#039;s no quoting scripture, just what he believes to be common sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>He substitutes his own moral beliefs for Biblical precepts in regards to marriage, but then uses the BibleÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s condemnation for acts that donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t align with his views.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s fair to make generalizations, but you&#8217;re right that he is certainly exercising some degree of independent thinking. Is that so uncommon or wrong, though? I didn&#8217;t think there were very many people that embraced any religion in its totality.</p>
<blockquote><p>If he wanted to be accurate in his statements then he should have also included his own definition of idolatry.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, his use of the word was factually accurate.<br />
<a href="http://www.answers.com/idolatry&#38;#38;r=67" rel="nofollow">http://www.answers.com/idolatry&#38;#38;r=67</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The views expressed in the article are the PERSONAL OPINIONS of one man</p></blockquote>
<p>That is undisputed.</p>
<blockquote><p>uninspired by God</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we can fairly judge that. For all we know, God asks <em>him</em> for advice.</p>
<blockquote><p>unversed in the Bible</p></blockquote>
<p>undisputed.</p>
<blockquote><p>Ironic that he should be giving advice to others on Biblical scholarship while showing a lack thereof.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think he was. He&#8217;s certainly giving advice on morality, but he&#8217;s no quoting scripture, just what he believes to be common sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Lone Star</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lone Star</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 16:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The source of the problem here is that this...&quot;minister&quot; doesn&#039;t seem to know the difference between his views and those of the Bible.  He substitutes his own moral beliefs for Biblical precepts in regards to marriage, but then uses the Bible&#039;s condemnation for acts that don&#039;t align with his views.

In short, he replaces the Word of God with his own.  Notice the qualification he makes in regards to marriage.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
I define a marriage as two adults bonded in sacred loving covenant, creating a home, sharing a life, supporting and nurturing one another, whatever joys and hardships the world may send their way.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Notice this is HIS definition of a marriage.

While his definition may be politically correct, one thing that it is not is Biblical.  If he wanted to be accurate in his statements then he should have also included his own definition of idolatry.  Something to the nature of:  I define idolatry as anything with which I disagree.

The views expressed in the article are the PERSONAL OPINIONS of one man, uninspired by God, unversed in the Bible.  Ironic that he should be giving advice to others on Biblical scholarship while showing a lack thereof.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The source of the problem here is that this&#8230;&#8221;minister&#8221; doesn&#8217;t seem to know the difference between his views and those of the Bible.  He substitutes his own moral beliefs for Biblical precepts in regards to marriage, but then uses the Bible&#8217;s condemnation for acts that don&#8217;t align with his views.</p>
<p>In short, he replaces the Word of God with his own.  Notice the qualification he makes in regards to marriage.</p>
<blockquote><p>
I define a marriage as two adults bonded in sacred loving covenant, creating a home, sharing a life, supporting and nurturing one another, whatever joys and hardships the world may send their way.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Notice this is HIS definition of a marriage.</p>
<p>While his definition may be politically correct, one thing that it is not is Biblical.  If he wanted to be accurate in his statements then he should have also included his own definition of idolatry.  Something to the nature of:  I define idolatry as anything with which I disagree.</p>
<p>The views expressed in the article are the PERSONAL OPINIONS of one man, uninspired by God, unversed in the Bible.  Ironic that he should be giving advice to others on Biblical scholarship while showing a lack thereof.</p>
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		<title>By: loboinok</title>
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		<dc:creator>loboinok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Dec 2006 06:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There&#039;s no need to be rude.

There&#039;s no need to badger, either.&lt;/i&gt;

Those are two of a half dozen reasons &quot;meatbrain&quot; doesn&#039;t get to play in our sandbox any longer.

He just can&#039;t help crapping in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There&#8217;s no need to be rude.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no need to badger, either.</i></p>
<p>Those are two of a half dozen reasons &#8220;meatbrain&#8221; doesn&#8217;t get to play in our sandbox any longer.</p>
<p>He just can&#8217;t help crapping in it.</p>
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