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		<title>By: kerwin_brown</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/12/01/aclu-and-free-speech-groups-after-the-fcc/comment-page-1/#comment-59460</link>
		<dc:creator>kerwin_brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 10:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ã¢â‚¬Å“Sex sells because it is artificially suppressed in this country.Ã¢â‚¬Â  Jeff M.

I can falsify that argument since the pornography industry has expanded after being legalized by an activist supreme court.  On the other hand I heard no evidence to back up your hypothesis.

Ã¢â‚¬Å“There is a HUGE market for relatively clean tv and radio.Ã¢â‚¬Â Jeff M.

I have certainly not seen it.

Ã¢â‚¬Å“You donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t want your kids watching adult content? Me neither. Use the technology at your fingertips to prevent it.Ã¢â‚¬Â Jeff M.

You can watch your own kids but what about the other guyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s kids. I am not even sure it is good for adults to watch.

Here is a article that covers the effects http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/11/28/teen.tweens.ap/

Ã¢â‚¬Å“The action you find Ã¢â‚¬Å“undesirableÃ¢â‚¬Â is constitutionally protected free speech.Ã¢â‚¬Â Jeff M.

Not according to the U.S. Constitution.  If the speech is harmful to the general welfare then it is not protected.  Roe v. Wade even makes that point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“Sex sells because it is artificially suppressed in this country.Ã¢â‚¬Â  Jeff M.</p>
<p>I can falsify that argument since the pornography industry has expanded after being legalized by an activist supreme court.  On the other hand I heard no evidence to back up your hypothesis.</p>
<p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“There is a HUGE market for relatively clean tv and radio.Ã¢â‚¬Â Jeff M.</p>
<p>I have certainly not seen it.</p>
<p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“You donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t want your kids watching adult content? Me neither. Use the technology at your fingertips to prevent it.Ã¢â‚¬Â Jeff M.</p>
<p>You can watch your own kids but what about the other guyÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s kids. I am not even sure it is good for adults to watch.</p>
<p>Here is a article that covers the effects <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/11/28/teen.tweens.ap/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/11/28/teen.tweens.ap/</a></p>
<p>Ã¢â‚¬Å“The action you find Ã¢â‚¬Å“undesirableÃ¢â‚¬Â is constitutionally protected free speech.Ã¢â‚¬Â Jeff M.</p>
<p>Not according to the U.S. Constitution.  If the speech is harmful to the general welfare then it is not protected.  Roe v. Wade even makes that point.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 17:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The postulation that the removal of a limit will aid in the controlling of any undesirable action is flawed. It just doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t work.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I never suggested it would. The action you find &quot;undesirable&quot; is constitutionally protected free speech. The current controls are only permitted because there previously wasn&#039;t a practical way to separate the adult content from the general content. It is the position of these groups that there are now practical ways to ensure that separation, so the controls are no longer necessary.

&lt;blockquote&gt;And yet the ACLU is fighting against this technology as well, such as the stance the ACLU has regularly taken against the v-chip.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
They oppose it for two reasons:
 - It was designed and mandated by the government. There&#039;s no reason to think the market couldn&#039;t develop a similar (and possibly more effective) system to accomplish the same end.
 - It makes it easy for parents to &quot;delegate parenting.&quot; They would rather that parents be the obvious source of limits, rather than saying &quot;sorry son, the tv said it wasn&#039;t an appropriate show.&quot;

I agree wholeheartedly with the first point and partially on the second point. Personally, I would use technology to block the material that I absolutely didn&#039;t want my children to stumble upon, but I would enforce the mildly objectionable stuff on my own.

But their opposition to the v-chip doesn&#039;t justify the FCC&#039;s controls. There is nothing wrong with taking a position of &quot;We oppose your mandated technology, but if it&#039;s here to stay, let&#039;s at least use it to reduce the other controls on free speech.&quot;

&lt;blockquote&gt;The ACLU is not pushing for Free Speech, it is pushing for unlimited speech, without any consideration for the effect on our children and our families.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Even if this assessment is true, it is no justification for opposing all of their positions. There is a long history of making content available to adults while restricting kids&#039; access to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The postulation that the removal of a limit will aid in the controlling of any undesirable action is flawed. It just doesnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t work.</p></blockquote>
<p>I never suggested it would. The action you find &#8220;undesirable&#8221; is constitutionally protected free speech. The current controls are only permitted because there previously wasn&#8217;t a practical way to separate the adult content from the general content. It is the position of these groups that there are now practical ways to ensure that separation, so the controls are no longer necessary.</p>
<blockquote><p>And yet the ACLU is fighting against this technology as well, such as the stance the ACLU has regularly taken against the v-chip.</p></blockquote>
<p>They oppose it for two reasons:<br />
 &#8211; It was designed and mandated by the government. There&#8217;s no reason to think the market couldn&#8217;t develop a similar (and possibly more effective) system to accomplish the same end.<br />
 &#8211; It makes it easy for parents to &#8220;delegate parenting.&#8221; They would rather that parents be the obvious source of limits, rather than saying &#8220;sorry son, the tv said it wasn&#8217;t an appropriate show.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree wholeheartedly with the first point and partially on the second point. Personally, I would use technology to block the material that I absolutely didn&#8217;t want my children to stumble upon, but I would enforce the mildly objectionable stuff on my own.</p>
<p>But their opposition to the v-chip doesn&#8217;t justify the FCC&#8217;s controls. There is nothing wrong with taking a position of &#8220;We oppose your mandated technology, but if it&#8217;s here to stay, let&#8217;s at least use it to reduce the other controls on free speech.&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p>The ACLU is not pushing for Free Speech, it is pushing for unlimited speech, without any consideration for the effect on our children and our families.</p></blockquote>
<p>Even if this assessment is true, it is no justification for opposing all of their positions. There is a long history of making content available to adults while restricting kids&#8217; access to it.</p>
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		<title>By: davef</title>
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		<dc:creator>davef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 17:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sex sells because it is artificially suppressed in this country. Yes, content producers are constantly pushing the envelope, but that&#039;s because there &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; an envelope. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

The postulation that the removal of a limit will aid in the controlling of any undesirable action is flawed.  It just doesn&#039;t work. Removing the regulation from television broadcasting would not cause the broadcasters to regulate themselves, and would only increase the amount of obscene content on television.

&lt;blockquote&gt;You don&#039;t want your kids watching adult content? Me neither. Use the technology at your fingertips to prevent it. Saying that we should restrict everyone&#039;s choices because a subset doesn&#039;t want certain choices is tantamount to attacking a mosquito with a sledgehammer. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And yet the ACLU is fighting against this technology as well, such as the stance the ACLU has regularly taken &lt;a href=&quot;http://legalminds.lp.findlaw.com/list/news/msg00021.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;against the v-chip&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The American Civil Liberties Union today expressed disappointment with the Federal Communications Commission&#039;s decision to give final approval for the so-called V-chip and urged parents not to delegate their child-rearing authority to a silicon chip.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How the ACLU can simultaneously look to remove the FCCs authority in this and criticize parents for using technology like the v-chip is beyond me.

The undercurrent here is much more disturbing than this simple case. The ACLU is not pushing for Free Speech, it is pushing for unlimited speech, without any consideration for the effect on our children and our families. The same push they are making in cases involving pornography or any other form of obscene communication.

Its just wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sex sells because it is artificially suppressed in this country. Yes, content producers are constantly pushing the envelope, but that&#8217;s because there <em>is</em> an envelope. </p></blockquote>
<p>The postulation that the removal of a limit will aid in the controlling of any undesirable action is flawed.  It just doesn&#8217;t work. Removing the regulation from television broadcasting would not cause the broadcasters to regulate themselves, and would only increase the amount of obscene content on television.</p>
<blockquote><p>You don&#8217;t want your kids watching adult content? Me neither. Use the technology at your fingertips to prevent it. Saying that we should restrict everyone&#8217;s choices because a subset doesn&#8217;t want certain choices is tantamount to attacking a mosquito with a sledgehammer. </p></blockquote>
<p>And yet the ACLU is fighting against this technology as well, such as the stance the ACLU has regularly taken <a href="http://legalminds.lp.findlaw.com/list/news/msg00021.html" target="_blank">against the v-chip</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>The American Civil Liberties Union today expressed disappointment with the Federal Communications Commission&#8217;s decision to give final approval for the so-called V-chip and urged parents not to delegate their child-rearing authority to a silicon chip.</p></blockquote>
<p>How the ACLU can simultaneously look to remove the FCCs authority in this and criticize parents for using technology like the v-chip is beyond me.</p>
<p>The undercurrent here is much more disturbing than this simple case. The ACLU is not pushing for Free Speech, it is pushing for unlimited speech, without any consideration for the effect on our children and our families. The same push they are making in cases involving pornography or any other form of obscene communication.</p>
<p>Its just wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 17:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Sex sells, never forget it, and broadcasting would constantly be drawn to the more and more extreme.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Sex sells because it is artificially suppressed in this country. Yes, content producers are constantly pushing the envelope, but that&#039;s because there &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; an envelope.

Left to their own devices, some content producers would certainly get far racier. There can be no doubt that full frontal nudity (and probably even penetration) would become prevalent on some stations.

But it shows a severe lack of appreciation of market forces to suggest that this would happen across the board. There is a HUGE market for relatively clean tv and radio. It would only become more pronounced as the markets delineate.

The FCC&#039;s authority is based on legacy technology. There didn&#039;t use to be a practical way of blocking content, so it made sense to keep everyone at the lowest common denominator. That&#039;s simply not the case anymore. Ever tv produced in the last decade has a v-chip. Every show gets some sort of rating.

You don&#039;t want your kids watching adult content? Me neither. Use the technology at your fingertips to prevent it. Saying that we should restrict everyone&#039;s choices because a subset doesn&#039;t want certain choices is tantamount to attacking a mosquito with a sledgehammer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Sex sells, never forget it, and broadcasting would constantly be drawn to the more and more extreme.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sex sells because it is artificially suppressed in this country. Yes, content producers are constantly pushing the envelope, but that&#8217;s because there <em>is</em> an envelope.</p>
<p>Left to their own devices, some content producers would certainly get far racier. There can be no doubt that full frontal nudity (and probably even penetration) would become prevalent on some stations.</p>
<p>But it shows a severe lack of appreciation of market forces to suggest that this would happen across the board. There is a HUGE market for relatively clean tv and radio. It would only become more pronounced as the markets delineate.</p>
<p>The FCC&#8217;s authority is based on legacy technology. There didn&#8217;t use to be a practical way of blocking content, so it made sense to keep everyone at the lowest common denominator. That&#8217;s simply not the case anymore. Ever tv produced in the last decade has a v-chip. Every show gets some sort of rating.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t want your kids watching adult content? Me neither. Use the technology at your fingertips to prevent it. Saying that we should restrict everyone&#8217;s choices because a subset doesn&#8217;t want certain choices is tantamount to attacking a mosquito with a sledgehammer.</p>
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		<title>By: The American Israeli Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>The American Israeli Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 15:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Democrats Cut And Run From Themselves&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
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