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		<title>By: War on the War on Christmas</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/29/aclu-targets-christmas-again/comment-page-1/#comment-59379</link>
		<dc:creator>War on the War on Christmas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 00:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;O&#38;#8217;Reillys back!&#38;#8230;&#38;#8230;Smites Crate and Barrel&lt;/strong&gt;

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We are proud to announce Planet Moron has joined us as a moderator and D.C insider. One of the best writers of satire and observers of human nature you&#38;#8217;ll ever find staring at you with X-ray glasses, Planet Moron&#38;#8217;s contri...</description>
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<p>BREAKING NEWS!!!!</p>
<p>We are proud to announce Planet Moron has joined us as a moderator and D.C insider. One of the best writers of satire and observers of human nature you&#38;#38;#8217;ll ever find staring at you with X-ray glasses, Planet Moron&#38;#38;#8217;s contri&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: American Daughter Media Center - Front Page &#38;#38;#187; Blog Archive &#38;#38;#187; Stop The ACLU Blogburst</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Daughter Media Center - Front Page &#38;#38;#187; Blog Archive &#38;#38;#187; Stop The ACLU Blogburst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In their latest attempt to censor Christmas they have sued the Wilson County School System outside of Nashville, TN. because their Christmas program includes &#38;#8220;Christian themes and songs.&#38;#8221; The plaintiffs and the ACLU allege that several kindergarten students role-played a nativity scene of the birth of Jesus—and had the audacity to sing “Away in the Manger” and “Joy to the World.” According to the ACLU, these songs are exclusively Christian in nature because they celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ and are, therefore, inappropriate. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In their latest attempt to censor Christmas they have sued the Wilson County School System outside of Nashville, TN. because their Christmas program includes &#38;#38;#8220;Christian themes and songs.&#38;#38;#8221; The plaintiffs and the ACLU allege that several kindergarten students role-played a nativity scene of the birth of Jesus—and had the audacity to sing “Away in the Manger” and “Joy to the World.” According to the ACLU, these songs are exclusively Christian in nature because they celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ and are, therefore, inappropriate. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/29/aclu-targets-christmas-again/comment-page-1/#comment-59377</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I could have chosen to be offended by the Hanukkah and Kwanzaa songs, but I never considered filing a lawsuit.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It&#039;s likely that any lawsuit would have been dismissed in short order because program celebrated all of the aspects of the holidy season. The fact that it was off school grounds would have been a factor as well.

At issue here is a play whose sole storyline was lifted straight from  a single religious text.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I could have chosen to be offended by the Hanukkah and Kwanzaa songs, but I never considered filing a lawsuit.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s likely that any lawsuit would have been dismissed in short order because program celebrated all of the aspects of the holidy season. The fact that it was off school grounds would have been a factor as well.</p>
<p>At issue here is a play whose sole storyline was lifted straight from  a single religious text.</p>
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		<title>By: Random Thoughts Of Yet Another Military Member &#38;#38;#187; Blog Archive &#38;#38;#187; Stop The ACLU Blogburst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Random Thoughts Of Yet Another Military Member &#38;#38;#187; Blog Archive &#38;#38;#187; Stop The ACLU Blogburst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In their latest attempt to censor Christmas they have sued the Wilson County School System outside of Nashville, TN. because their Christmas program includes &#38;#8220;Christian themes and songs.&#38;#8221; The plaintiffs and the ACLU allege that several kindergarten students role-played a nativity scene of the birth of Jesus—and had the audacity to sing “Away in the Manger” and “Joy to the World.” According to the ACLU, these songs are exclusively Christian in nature because they celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ and are, therefore, inappropriate. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In their latest attempt to censor Christmas they have sued the Wilson County School System outside of Nashville, TN. because their Christmas program includes &#38;#38;#8220;Christian themes and songs.&#38;#38;#8221; The plaintiffs and the ACLU allege that several kindergarten students role-played a nativity scene of the birth of Jesus—and had the audacity to sing “Away in the Manger” and “Joy to the World.” According to the ACLU, these songs are exclusively Christian in nature because they celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ and are, therefore, inappropriate. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jasontromm</title>
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		<dc:creator>jasontromm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the 4.5 years my daughter has attended public school, they have had a school Christmas program at a local church.  During these programs they sang traditional Christmas carols (including those with &quot;Christian themes&quot;), traditional African spirituals, Hanukkah songs and Kwanzaa songs. I could have chosen to be offended by the Hanukkah and Kwanzaa songs, but I never considered filing a lawsuit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the 4.5 years my daughter has attended public school, they have had a school Christmas program at a local church.  During these programs they sang traditional Christmas carols (including those with &#8220;Christian themes&#8221;), traditional African spirituals, Hanukkah songs and Kwanzaa songs. I could have chosen to be offended by the Hanukkah and Kwanzaa songs, but I never considered filing a lawsuit.</p>
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		<title>By: Pirate's Cove</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pirate's Cove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 12:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;It&#38;#8217;s About The Nativity&lt;/strong&gt;

Why is it that so many on the Left are scared of religion, specifically the Christian and Jewish faiths? Islam, the religion of violence, they have no problem with, but, put something out there which portrays Christ, and they go all wonky.
In Chicago, ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>It&#38;#38;#8217;s About The Nativity</strong></p>
<p>Why is it that so many on the Left are scared of religion, specifically the Christian and Jewish faiths? Islam, the religion of violence, they have no problem with, but, put something out there which portrays Christ, and they go all wonky.<br />
In Chicago, &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;First you supported playacting Muslims even if the children were required to say Muslim prayers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No, I acknowledged that &quot;playacting Muslims&quot; would require the same level of delicacy. My understanding is that   the &quot;playacting Muslims&quot; was upheld because it was part of a broader comparative religions lesson.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Now you are against a project which basically does the same thing.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m not sure how a nativity play could possibly be construed as a comparative religions. Feel free to make the case if you think you can.

&lt;blockquote&gt;If the children played the story of Hercules which is heavily influenced by the classical Greek religion would that offend you?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Excellent question. I&#039;m not really sure. Probably not, though.

I think the main difference is the religion in question has basically been relegated to the realm of mythology. It would be pretty silly  to claim that the government is attempting to establish a defunct religion. But I haven&#039;t really given that much thought, so I would be interested to hear other opinions.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Jesus was a philosopher as well as the Son of God. Atheist and other religious individuals can accept him for his philosophy if not his religion.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Definitely. A nativity play isn&#039;t about his philosophies though. It&#039;s about his &quot;miraculous&quot; birth.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Your statement is in violation of the liberal idea of education freedom.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m not even sure what that means, but you&#039;re certainly right that I don&#039;t agree with every liberal idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>First you supported playacting Muslims even if the children were required to say Muslim prayers.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, I acknowledged that &#8220;playacting Muslims&#8221; would require the same level of delicacy. My understanding is that   the &#8220;playacting Muslims&#8221; was upheld because it was part of a broader comparative religions lesson.</p>
<blockquote><p>Now you are against a project which basically does the same thing.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how a nativity play could possibly be construed as a comparative religions. Feel free to make the case if you think you can.</p>
<blockquote><p>If the children played the story of Hercules which is heavily influenced by the classical Greek religion would that offend you?</p></blockquote>
<p>Excellent question. I&#8217;m not really sure. Probably not, though.</p>
<p>I think the main difference is the religion in question has basically been relegated to the realm of mythology. It would be pretty silly  to claim that the government is attempting to establish a defunct religion. But I haven&#8217;t really given that much thought, so I would be interested to hear other opinions.</p>
<blockquote><p>Jesus was a philosopher as well as the Son of God. Atheist and other religious individuals can accept him for his philosophy if not his religion.</p></blockquote>
<p>Definitely. A nativity play isn&#8217;t about his philosophies though. It&#8217;s about his &#8220;miraculous&#8221; birth.</p>
<blockquote><p>Your statement is in violation of the liberal idea of education freedom.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not even sure what that means, but you&#8217;re certainly right that I don&#8217;t agree with every liberal idea.</p>
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		<title>By: kerwin_brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>kerwin_brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That’s a tired argument. It ceases to be a “free speech” issue when a government agent leads it. &quot;  Jeff M.

Your statement is in violation of the liberal idea of education freedom.  I am sure some conservatives would willingly make the sacrifice as they could then stop those government agents from indoctrinating the children with liberal ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That’s a tired argument. It ceases to be a “free speech” issue when a government agent leads it. &#8221;  Jeff M.</p>
<p>Your statement is in violation of the liberal idea of education freedom.  I am sure some conservatives would willingly make the sacrifice as they could then stop those government agents from indoctrinating the children with liberal ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: kerwin_brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>kerwin_brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s a play devoted entirely to a religious story.&quot;  Jeff M.

First you supported playacting Muslims even if the children were required to say Muslim prayers.  Now you are against a project which basically does the same thing.

If the children played the story of Hercules which is heavily influenced by the classical Greek religion would that offend you?

Jesus was a philosopher as well as the Son of God.  Atheist and other religious individuals can accept him for his philosophy if not his religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s a play devoted entirely to a religious story.&#8221;  Jeff M.</p>
<p>First you supported playacting Muslims even if the children were required to say Muslim prayers.  Now you are against a project which basically does the same thing.</p>
<p>If the children played the story of Hercules which is heavily influenced by the classical Greek religion would that offend you?</p>
<p>Jesus was a philosopher as well as the Son of God.  Atheist and other religious individuals can accept him for his philosophy if not his religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Woman Honor Thyself</title>
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		<dc:creator>Woman Honor Thyself</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 05:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;No ChristmaS!.. ok?&lt;/strong&gt;

Lest Y&#38;#8217;all think this is an isolated incident.
And lest Y&#38;#8217;all think this has nothing to do with fear of Izlamic fanatics&#38;#8230;Think again

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>No ChristmaS!.. ok?</strong></p>
<p>Lest Y&#38;#38;#8217;all think this is an isolated incident.<br />
And lest Y&#38;#38;#8217;all think this has nothing to do with fear of Izlamic fanatics&#38;#38;#8230;Think again</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
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