Comments on: Berkley Nativity Update http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/24/berkley-nativity-update/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Sun, 12 Feb 2012 22:31:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Right on the Right » About Those Christmas Cards for the ACLU http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/24/berkley-nativity-update/comment-page-1/#comment-59064 Right on the Right » About Those Christmas Cards for the ACLU Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:09:23 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/11/24/berkley-nativity-update/#comment-59064 [...] Already the ACLU have began their attacks. They have already been successful in bullying the Berkley City Council into moving their Christmas nativity scene off public property. This, despite the fact that the display also included other religious and secular elements including a Star of David, Christmas trees, a Santa Claus figure, a Santa’s Mailbox, and a “Seasons Greetings” sign. [...] [...] Already the ACLU have began their attacks. They have already been successful in bullying the Berkley City Council into moving their Christmas nativity scene off public property. This, despite the fact that the display also included other religious and secular elements including a Star of David, Christmas trees, a Santa Claus figure, a Santa’s Mailbox, and a “Seasons Greetings” sign. [...]

]]> By: Conservative Culture » Dhimwit Jihad Against Christmas - Again http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/24/berkley-nativity-update/comment-page-1/#comment-59063 Conservative Culture » Dhimwit Jihad Against Christmas - Again Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:39:56 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/11/24/berkley-nativity-update/#comment-59063 [...] Crossposted from Stop The ACLU Its that time of the year again. The time when the intolerant grinches like the ACLU start trying to fill their stockings with your tax dollars in their attempts to secularize Christmas. The ACLU try their best to deny their attacks on Christmas. They call those defending Christmas the well organized extremists out to make a buck in the guise of defending Christmas. This is of course false. The Alliance Defense Fund, just like last year, are offering their services to defend Christmas completely FREE! However, the lies continue again this year as the ACLU denies their attacks on Christmas. However, their actions speak louder than their words. Already the ACLU have began their attacks. They have already been successful in bullying the Berkley City Council into moving their Christmas nativity scene off public property. This, despite the fact that the display also included other religious and secular elements including a Star of David, Christmas trees, a Santa Claus figure, a Santaís Mailbox, and a ìSeasons Greetingsî sign. In their latest attempt to censor Christmas they have sued the Wilson County School System outside of Nashville, TN. because their Christmas program includes “Christian themes and songs.” The plaintiffs and the ACLU allege that several kindergarten students role-played a nativity scene of the birth of Jesusóand had the audacity to sing ìAway in the Mangerî and ìJoy to the World.î According to the ACLU, these songs are exclusively Christian in nature because they celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ and are, therefore, inappropriate. [...] [...] Crossposted from Stop The ACLU Its that time of the year again. The time when the intolerant grinches like the ACLU start trying to fill their stockings with your tax dollars in their attempts to secularize Christmas. The ACLU try their best to deny their attacks on Christmas. They call those defending Christmas the well organized extremists out to make a buck in the guise of defending Christmas. This is of course false. The Alliance Defense Fund, just like last year, are offering their services to defend Christmas completely FREE! However, the lies continue again this year as the ACLU denies their attacks on Christmas. However, their actions speak louder than their words. Already the ACLU have began their attacks. They have already been successful in bullying the Berkley City Council into moving their Christmas nativity scene off public property. This, despite the fact that the display also included other religious and secular elements including a Star of David, Christmas trees, a Santa Claus figure, a Santaís Mailbox, and a ìSeasons Greetingsî sign. In their latest attempt to censor Christmas they have sued the Wilson County School System outside of Nashville, TN. because their Christmas program includes “Christian themes and songs.” The plaintiffs and the ACLU allege that several kindergarten students role-played a nativity scene of the birth of Jesusóand had the audacity to sing ìAway in the Mangerî and ìJoy to the World.î According to the ACLU, these songs are exclusively Christian in nature because they celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ and are, therefore, inappropriate. [...]

]]> By: Random Thoughts Of Yet Another Military Member » Blog Archive » Stop The ACLU Blogburst http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/24/berkley-nativity-update/comment-page-1/#comment-59062 Random Thoughts Of Yet Another Military Member » Blog Archive » Stop The ACLU Blogburst Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:29:24 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/11/24/berkley-nativity-update/#comment-59062 [...] Already the ACLU have began their attacks. They have already been successful in bullying the Berkley City Council into moving their Christmas nativity scene off public property. This, despite the fact that the display also included other religious and secular elements including a Star of David, Christmas trees, a Santa Claus figure, a Santa’s Mailbox, and a “Seasons Greetings” sign. [...] [...] Already the ACLU have began their attacks. They have already been successful in bullying the Berkley City Council into moving their Christmas nativity scene off public property. This, despite the fact that the display also included other religious and secular elements including a Star of David, Christmas trees, a Santa Claus figure, a Santa’s Mailbox, and a “Seasons Greetings” sign. [...]

]]> By: American Daughter Media Center - Front Page » Blog Archive » Stop The ACLU Blogburst http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/24/berkley-nativity-update/comment-page-1/#comment-59061 American Daughter Media Center - Front Page » Blog Archive » Stop The ACLU Blogburst Thu, 30 Nov 2006 14:13:48 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/11/24/berkley-nativity-update/#comment-59061 [...] Already the ACLU have began their attacks. They have already been successful in bullying the Berkley City Council into moving their Christmas nativity scene off public property. This, despite the fact that the display also included other religious and secular elements including a Star of David, Christmas trees, a Santa Claus figure, a Santa’s Mailbox, and a “Seasons Greetings” sign. [...] [...] Already the ACLU have began their attacks. They have already been successful in bullying the Berkley City Council into moving their Christmas nativity scene off public property. This, despite the fact that the display also included other religious and secular elements including a Star of David, Christmas trees, a Santa Claus figure, a Santa’s Mailbox, and a “Seasons Greetings” sign. [...]

]]> By: loboinok http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/24/berkley-nativity-update/comment-page-1/#comment-59059 loboinok Mon, 27 Nov 2006 20:47:02 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/11/24/berkley-nativity-update/#comment-59059 <i>Christmas was not even an official holiday in America until the middle of the nineteenth century. It was even illegal to observe Christams in Massachussets and other parts of New England early in Americas history.</i> If you are going to go back that far in our history, Sailnsouth, you will lose your argument on all points. Christmas was not even an official holiday in America until the middle of the nineteenth century. It was even illegal to observe Christams in Massachussets and other parts of New England early in Americas history.

If you are going to go back that far in our history, Sailnsouth, you will lose your argument on all points.

]]> By: Sailnsouth http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/24/berkley-nativity-update/comment-page-1/#comment-59060 Sailnsouth Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:44:57 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/11/24/berkley-nativity-update/#comment-59060 Its funny how the religious side proponents of these arguments are the ones who always throw the hate speech like calling people you don't know ignorant and stupid. No one is trying to force any views on peoples free exercise of their religion just keep it out of the government. If you want to display a nativity scene just rent some space on Mainstreet in Anytown USA and put up a nativity scene no one will stop you for evercising your free speech and practice of religion. Moreover the year end season has a rich and complex history that does not just involve Christians. Christmas was not even an official holiday in America until the middle of the nineteenth century. It was even illegal to observe Christams in Massachussets and other parts of New England early in Americas history. Its funny how the religious side proponents of these arguments are the ones who always throw the hate speech like calling people you don’t know ignorant and stupid.

No one is trying to force any views on peoples free exercise of their religion just keep it out of the government. If you want to display a nativity scene just rent some space on Mainstreet in Anytown USA and put up a nativity scene no one will stop you for evercising your free speech and practice of religion.

Moreover the year end season has a rich and complex history that does not just involve Christians.

Christmas was not even an official holiday in America until the middle of the nineteenth century. It was even illegal to observe Christams in Massachussets and other parts of New England early in Americas history.

]]> By: Jeff Molby http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/24/berkley-nativity-update/comment-page-1/#comment-59058 Jeff Molby Mon, 27 Nov 2006 05:46:51 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/11/24/berkley-nativity-update/#comment-59058 <blockquote>The whole purpose of me sharing my interpretation is to convince other it is correct and that the judicial branch is corrupt.</blockquote> Obviously, I don't support you, but I do respect your goal and your efforts towards it. However, I'm still confused by the following statement: <blockquote>The ACLU and its supporters are a bunch of tyrants who want to force their Atheistic beliefs on the rest of America.</blockquote> How is it tyrannical to bring lawsuits based on the prevailing interpretation?

The whole purpose of me sharing my interpretation is to convince other it is correct and that the judicial branch is corrupt.

Obviously, I don’t support you, but I do respect your goal and your efforts towards it.

However, I’m still confused by the following statement:

The ACLU and its supporters are a bunch of tyrants who want to force their Atheistic beliefs on the rest of America.

How is it tyrannical to bring lawsuits based on the prevailing interpretation?

]]> By: kerwin_brown http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/24/berkley-nativity-update/comment-page-1/#comment-59057 kerwin_brown Mon, 27 Nov 2006 05:20:56 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/11/24/berkley-nativity-update/#comment-59057 Jeff Molby, I missed that last part of your comment. The whole purpose of me sharing my interpretation is to convince other it is correct and that the judicial branch is corrupt. The question is what will people choose to do even if they believe my claim. That is where I have to wait and see. Jeff Molby,

I missed that last part of your comment. The whole purpose of me sharing my interpretation is to convince other it is correct and that the judicial branch is corrupt. The question is what will people choose to do even if they believe my claim. That is where I have to wait and see.

]]> By: kerwin_brown http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/24/berkley-nativity-update/comment-page-1/#comment-59056 kerwin_brown Mon, 27 Nov 2006 05:12:24 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/11/24/berkley-nativity-update/#comment-59056 Jeff Molby, I understand your apparent hero worship of the Elites but they do not deserve it. Even if we focus on the free expression clause and ignore the fact that statute law trumps court law every time and instead pretend what you say is true, your statement is irrelevant for the simple reason, the government of the United States is a government by the people and so the government is merely an extension of the people. That was decided by the 1793 case of Chisholm v. Georgia. If you actually wanted to go by the wording of the First Amendment then it does forbid the People to have laws passed which would show respect to a particular religious establishment. “establishment n 1. establishing something: the act of establishing something or the condition of being established 2. commerce something established: something that is established as a business, institution, or successful undertaking 3. commerce business premises: a place of business 4. or es·tab·lish·ment or Es·tab·lish·mentpeople in power: a group of people who hold power in a society or social group and dominate its institutions 5. veteran staff: the staff of a permanent organization, institution, or department, especially in the military or government. Used particularly in relation to the size and deployment of staff. 6. household: a place of residence, or the household that occupies it Encarta ® World English Dictionary © &#38; (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. I figure they were probably using the second definition and were probably referring to an organization like the Church of England, The Catholic Church or various other specific denominations. respect vt 1. esteem somebody or something: to feel or show admiration and deference toward somebody or something 2. not go against or violate something: to pay due attention to and refrain from violating something 3. be considerate toward somebody or something: to show consideration or thoughtfulness in relation to somebody or something Encarta ® World English Dictionary © &#38; (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. I also figured the first definition in this group. Can you reasonably construe the First Amendment to be hostile to religion instead of tolerant of a multitude of religions even on government property? Jeff Molby,

I understand your apparent hero worship of the Elites but they do not deserve it.

Even if we focus on the free expression clause and ignore the fact that statute law trumps court law every time and instead pretend what you say is true, your statement is irrelevant for the simple reason, the government of the United States is a government by the people and so the government is merely an extension of the people. That was decided by the 1793 case of Chisholm v. Georgia.

If you actually wanted to go by the wording of the First Amendment then it does forbid the People to have laws passed which would show respect to a particular religious establishment.

“establishment
n

1. establishing something: the act of establishing something or the condition of being established
2. commerce something established: something that is established as a business, institution, or successful undertaking
3. commerce business premises: a place of business
4. or es·tab·lish·ment or Es·tab·lish·mentpeople in power: a group of people who hold power in a society or social group and dominate its institutions
5. veteran staff: the staff of a permanent organization, institution, or department, especially in the military or government. Used particularly in relation to the size and deployment of staff.
6. household: a place of residence, or the household that occupies it

Encarta ® World English Dictionary © &#38;#38; (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

I figure they were probably using the second definition and were probably referring to an organization like the Church of England, The Catholic Church or various other specific denominations.

respect

vt

1. esteem somebody or something: to feel or show admiration and deference toward somebody or something
2. not go against or violate something: to pay due attention to and refrain from violating something
3. be considerate toward somebody or something: to show consideration or thoughtfulness in relation to somebody or something

Encarta ® World English Dictionary © &#38;#38; (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

I also figured the first definition in this group.

Can you reasonably construe the First Amendment to be hostile to religion instead of tolerant of a multitude of religions even on government property?

]]> By: georgiahalloran http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/24/berkley-nativity-update/comment-page-1/#comment-59055 georgiahalloran Mon, 27 Nov 2006 01:29:05 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/11/24/berkley-nativity-update/#comment-59055 This is my first experience of posting on a blog &#38; I just want to say the rants &#38; ravings I see posted here and on other blogs by the left is unbelievable. They have no reasonable position on anything and can only spew hatred-a sign of an uneducated &#38; ignorant person. This is my first experience of posting on a blog &#38;#38; I just want to say the rants &#38;#38; ravings I see posted here and on other blogs by the left is unbelievable. They have no reasonable position on anything and can only spew hatred-a sign of an uneducated &#38;#38; ignorant person.

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