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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/19/aclu-fights-library-internet-filtering-again/comment-page-1/#comment-58860</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 01:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Jeff: As pointed out in the original post, the ACLU did mention some obscene elements in the heading of the complaint, but dropped back to the non-obscene material in the specific plaintiff references. It is this duality that concerns me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It seems easy to explain. The first quote is simply a laundry of list of the blocked categories. It is containted in the &quot;Facts&quot; section and it&#039;s probably safe to assume that they won&#039;t be challenged.

Not all of them applied to the plaintiffs, so it really shouldn&#039;t be a surprise that some were not mentioned in subsequent sections. It should also be noted that non-sexual categories such as &quot;Chat&quot;, &quot;Game/Cartoon Violence&quot;, &quot;School Cheating Information&quot; were also part of the laundry list, despite being mostly irrelevant to these particular plaintiffs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Jeff: As pointed out in the original post, the ACLU did mention some obscene elements in the heading of the complaint, but dropped back to the non-obscene material in the specific plaintiff references. It is this duality that concerns me.</p></blockquote>
<p>It seems easy to explain. The first quote is simply a laundry of list of the blocked categories. It is containted in the &#8220;Facts&#8221; section and it&#8217;s probably safe to assume that they won&#8217;t be challenged.</p>
<p>Not all of them applied to the plaintiffs, so it really shouldn&#8217;t be a surprise that some were not mentioned in subsequent sections. It should also be noted that non-sexual categories such as &#8220;Chat&#8221;, &#8220;Game/Cartoon Violence&#8221;, &#8220;School Cheating Information&#8221; were also part of the laundry list, despite being mostly irrelevant to these particular plaintiffs.</p>
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		<title>By: SafeLibraries</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/19/aclu-fights-library-internet-filtering-again/comment-page-1/#comment-58859</link>
		<dc:creator>SafeLibraries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 22:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Davef.  I&#039;m no ACLU expert.  My understanding is they occasionally, more like rarely, take cases opposed to what their real goal is just to be able to point to them as examples of the good they do.  Yes, they could be setting a foundation to overturn CIPA, but CIPA specifically provides for &quot;as-applied&quot; challenges to the application of CIPA, so the most they might get is the first case of an &quot;as-applied&quot; challenge to CIPA.  Note I&#039;m not a legal expert.  All I know is children continue to be harmed in public libraries likely because of the ALA&#039;s actions.  I see it in news story after news story, among other places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Davef.  I&#8217;m no ACLU expert.  My understanding is they occasionally, more like rarely, take cases opposed to what their real goal is just to be able to point to them as examples of the good they do.  Yes, they could be setting a foundation to overturn CIPA, but CIPA specifically provides for &#8220;as-applied&#8221; challenges to the application of CIPA, so the most they might get is the first case of an &#8220;as-applied&#8221; challenge to CIPA.  Note I&#8217;m not a legal expert.  All I know is children continue to be harmed in public libraries likely because of the ALA&#8217;s actions.  I see it in news story after news story, among other places.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/19/aclu-fights-library-internet-filtering-again/comment-page-1/#comment-58858</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I can see only two reasons for the ACLU to take the position it has in this case. Either to set the foundation to overturn CIPA, or to provide a token case to counteract the negative press they have been seeing of late.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Or maybe they just oppose censorship even on non-sexual speech?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I can see only two reasons for the ACLU to take the position it has in this case. Either to set the foundation to overturn CIPA, or to provide a token case to counteract the negative press they have been seeing of late.</p></blockquote>
<p>Or maybe they just oppose censorship even on non-sexual speech?</p>
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		<title>By: davef</title>
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		<dc:creator>davef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As you know, sometimes the ACLU supports the good guys&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I am with you on the ACLU and the ALA, but the above quote threw me. I can see only two reasons for the ACLU to take the position it has in this case. Either to set the foundation to overturn CIPA, or to provide a token case to counteract the negative press they have been seeing of late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As you know, sometimes the ACLU supports the good guys</p></blockquote>
<p>I am with you on the ACLU and the ALA, but the above quote threw me. I can see only two reasons for the ACLU to take the position it has in this case. Either to set the foundation to overturn CIPA, or to provide a token case to counteract the negative press they have been seeing of late.</p>
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		<title>By: davef</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/19/aclu-fights-library-internet-filtering-again/comment-page-1/#comment-58856</link>
		<dc:creator>davef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 12:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff: As pointed out in the original post, the ACLU did mention some obscene elements in the heading of the complaint, but dropped back to the non-obscene material in the specific plaintiff references. It is this duality that concerns me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff: As pointed out in the original post, the ACLU did mention some obscene elements in the heading of the complaint, but dropped back to the non-obscene material in the specific plaintiff references. It is this duality that concerns me.</p>
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		<title>By: Irate Nation - &#38;#38;#187; ACLU Fights Library Internet Filtering… Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irate Nation - &#38;#38;#187; ACLU Fights Library Internet Filtering… Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 08:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Cross Posted from Revealing The ACLU. Heads Up by: Stop The Aclu [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Irate Nation</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/19/aclu-fights-library-internet-filtering-again/comment-page-1/#comment-58854</link>
		<dc:creator>Irate Nation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 08:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;ACLU Fights Library Internet Filtering… Again&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: SafeLibraries</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/19/aclu-fights-library-internet-filtering-again/comment-page-1/#comment-58853</link>
		<dc:creator>SafeLibraries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 03:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because the ACLU and the American Library Association work hand in hand to sexualize America&#039;s children (see http://www.safelibraries.org/ala-v-usa.htm), I&#039;m no friend of either organization.  In this case, however, the ACLU suing to prevent the permanent blocking of certain web sites such as in this case seems counterintuitive to what one might think. One might think the ACLU would love to block people from learning about exercising their Second Amendment rights.  That&#039;s not the case here, however.  After all, the Second Amendment Foundation (http://www.saf.org/) is a co-plaintiff with the ACLU.  As you know, sometimes the ACLU supports the good guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because the ACLU and the American Library Association work hand in hand to sexualize America&#8217;s children (see <a href="http://www.safelibraries.org/ala-v-usa.htm)" rel="nofollow">http://www.safelibraries.org/ala-v-usa.htm)</a>, I&#8217;m no friend of either organization.  In this case, however, the ACLU suing to prevent the permanent blocking of certain web sites such as in this case seems counterintuitive to what one might think. One might think the ACLU would love to block people from learning about exercising their Second Amendment rights.  That&#8217;s not the case here, however.  After all, the Second Amendment Foundation (<a href="http://www.saf.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.saf.org/</a>) is a co-plaintiff with the ACLU.  As you know, sometimes the ACLU supports the good guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/19/aclu-fights-library-internet-filtering-again/comment-page-1/#comment-58852</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 02:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;This matter can be quickly addressed by the FCC and American Library Association providing some very specific guidance for the implementation for CIPA.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Clarification and Guidance are always good things. Assuming it&#039;s reasonable, of course.

&lt;blockquote&gt;So what is the ACLU trying to do here? I believe that the ACLU is trying to set up a chain of precedent which it can use to erode CIPA&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That may very well be the endgame, but what&#039;s wrong with their position on these three cases? None of them seem to involve obscenity or children, so it would seem that CIPA has no bearing on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This matter can be quickly addressed by the FCC and American Library Association providing some very specific guidance for the implementation for CIPA.</p></blockquote>
<p>Clarification and Guidance are always good things. Assuming it&#8217;s reasonable, of course.</p>
<blockquote><p>So what is the ACLU trying to do here? I believe that the ACLU is trying to set up a chain of precedent which it can use to erode CIPA</p></blockquote>
<p>That may very well be the endgame, but what&#8217;s wrong with their position on these three cases? None of them seem to involve obscenity or children, so it would seem that CIPA has no bearing on them.</p>
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