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		<title>By: kerwin_brown</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/16/coincidence/comment-page-1/#comment-58761</link>
		<dc:creator>kerwin_brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 12:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I detest free trade since it is responsible for both our huge trade deficit and our huge federal deficit.  The government merely transfers the trade deficit to the federal budget by corporation welfare measures.  Countries like China and Japan keep the U.S. from going bankrupt despite our massive debt.

	We can not compete with poor nations since we have a higher standard of living.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I detest free trade since it is responsible for both our huge trade deficit and our huge federal deficit.  The government merely transfers the trade deficit to the federal budget by corporation welfare measures.  Countries like China and Japan keep the U.S. from going bankrupt despite our massive debt.</p>
<p>	We can not compete with poor nations since we have a higher standard of living.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/16/coincidence/comment-page-1/#comment-58760</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:02:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, what&#039;s your drink of choice? If you&#039;ve survived my slew of typos tonight, the least I can do is buy a round.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, what&#8217;s your drink of choice? If you&#8217;ve survived my slew of typos tonight, the least I can do is buy a round.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/16/coincidence/comment-page-1/#comment-58759</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree: &quot;most&quot;. Some of it has to be reserved for less critical, yet still important tasks.

	Of course, we can all agree that we would choose to use that &quot;some&quot; amount for something other than a minimum wage hike, but it&#039;s disingenuous to assume that they&#039;re neglecting the war simply because they&#039;re not focusing on it exclusively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree: &#8220;most&#8221;. Some of it has to be reserved for less critical, yet still important tasks.</p>
<p>	Of course, we can all agree that we would choose to use that &#8220;some&#8221; amount for something other than a minimum wage hike, but it&#8217;s disingenuous to assume that they&#8217;re neglecting the war simply because they&#8217;re not focusing on it exclusively.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/16/coincidence/comment-page-1/#comment-58758</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 06:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would devote most of my energy on the task that protects them from harm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would devote most of my energy on the task that protects them from harm.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/16/coincidence/comment-page-1/#comment-58757</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 06:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Glib is correct that cutting taxes is not government meddling.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
	After double-checking the definition of &quot;meddle&quot;, I&#039;ll concede the point.  I believe cutting taxes &lt;em&gt;affects&lt;/em&gt; the economy in much the same way as the other two actions, but it doesn&#039;t qualify as an &quot;intrusion&quot;, so I concede that Glib did choose his(?) words properly.

	&lt;blockquote&gt;Since you also disagree with minimum wage increases there really isn’t a reason to debate that one with you.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
	I probably should have clarified my position.

	I don&#039;t think they are necessarily very harmful, so as far as social programs go, they&#039;re not so bad. Especially when you consider that you only qualify to the extent that you get off your butt and work. But, given my strong libertarian leanings, I am against them in principle.

	&lt;blockquote&gt;When has cutting taxes not been beneficial?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
	I haven&#039;t studied the history of tax cuts, so I don&#039;t know if there are any examples, but I did lay out the conditions under which they could prove detrimental.

	We&#039;ll probably never know, because the Democrats will almost certainly let them expire, but Bush&#039;s tax cuts might have turned out to be an example of cuts that helped short-term, but hurt long-term. Regardless of what the Republicans say, we are accumulating debt at a rate significantly greater than we were a few years ago. A lot of the spending may be off-budget, but it is no less real.

	Please, not the liberal usage of words like &quot;probably&quot;, &quot;could&quot;, and  &quot;might&quot;. None of it is certain, or even probable, but it is definitely possible.

	&lt;blockquote&gt;the Democrats have the priorities out of order.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
	Priorities are not so simple.

	Let&#039;s presume you decide that your family&#039;s state of affairs compelled you to accomplish 5 tasks this month. One is extremely important and extremely time consuming. The other 4 are less important and less time consuming by several orders of magnitude.

	Do you devote all of your energy towards completing the tasks in descending order of importance?

	Or do you devote most of your energy toward the big task, while knocking out some of the smaller tasks along the way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Glib is correct that cutting taxes is not government meddling.</p></blockquote>
<p>	After double-checking the definition of &#8220;meddle&#8221;, I&#8217;ll concede the point.  I believe cutting taxes <em>affects</em> the economy in much the same way as the other two actions, but it doesn&#8217;t qualify as an &#8220;intrusion&#8221;, so I concede that Glib did choose his(?) words properly.</p>
<blockquote><p>Since you also disagree with minimum wage increases there really isn’t a reason to debate that one with you.</p></blockquote>
<p>	I probably should have clarified my position.</p>
<p>	I don&#8217;t think they are necessarily very harmful, so as far as social programs go, they&#8217;re not so bad. Especially when you consider that you only qualify to the extent that you get off your butt and work. But, given my strong libertarian leanings, I am against them in principle.</p>
<blockquote><p>When has cutting taxes not been beneficial?</p></blockquote>
<p>	I haven&#8217;t studied the history of tax cuts, so I don&#8217;t know if there are any examples, but I did lay out the conditions under which they could prove detrimental.</p>
<p>	We&#8217;ll probably never know, because the Democrats will almost certainly let them expire, but Bush&#8217;s tax cuts might have turned out to be an example of cuts that helped short-term, but hurt long-term. Regardless of what the Republicans say, we are accumulating debt at a rate significantly greater than we were a few years ago. A lot of the spending may be off-budget, but it is no less real.</p>
<p>	Please, not the liberal usage of words like &#8220;probably&#8221;, &#8220;could&#8221;, and  &#8220;might&#8221;. None of it is certain, or even probable, but it is definitely possible.</p>
<blockquote><p>the Democrats have the priorities out of order.</p></blockquote>
<p>	Priorities are not so simple.</p>
<p>	Let&#8217;s presume you decide that your family&#8217;s state of affairs compelled you to accomplish 5 tasks this month. One is extremely important and extremely time consuming. The other 4 are less important and less time consuming by several orders of magnitude.</p>
<p>	Do you devote all of your energy towards completing the tasks in descending order of importance?</p>
<p>	Or do you devote most of your energy toward the big task, while knocking out some of the smaller tasks along the way?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 05:28:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you should be drinking Jeff.  I think after I may need to go pour a tall one myself.  Glib is correct that cutting taxes is not government meddling.  Taxes are government meddling period.  Increasing taxes is government meddling.  Lowering taxes is reducing government meddling.

	Since you also disagree with minimum wage increases there really isn&#039;t a reason to debate that one with you.

	When has cutting taxes not been beneficial?  No, the war on terror is not a reason to ignore domestic issues, but the Democrats have the priorities out of order.  The war on terror is a big issue that they want to run away from and put their focus on something that you have agreed is useless in the longrun.

	We do agree that spending too much too fast has its consequences later on as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you should be drinking Jeff.  I think after I may need to go pour a tall one myself.  Glib is correct that cutting taxes is not government meddling.  Taxes are government meddling period.  Increasing taxes is government meddling.  Lowering taxes is reducing government meddling.</p>
<p>	Since you also disagree with minimum wage increases there really isn&#8217;t a reason to debate that one with you.</p>
<p>	When has cutting taxes not been beneficial?  No, the war on terror is not a reason to ignore domestic issues, but the Democrats have the priorities out of order.  The war on terror is a big issue that they want to run away from and put their focus on something that you have agreed is useless in the longrun.</p>
<p>	We do agree that spending too much too fast has its consequences later on as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 05:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And again:

	benefits of the rate cut&lt;strike&gt;e&lt;/strike&gt;.

	Maybe I should be drinking, Glib.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And again:</p>
<p>	benefits of the rate cut<strike>e</strike>.</p>
<p>	Maybe I should be drinking, Glib.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/16/coincidence/comment-page-1/#comment-58754</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 05:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Errr, correction:

	The Laffer curve and its related theories show us that government spending does not have to be cut at exactly the same rate as &lt;em&gt;taxes&lt;/em&gt;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Errr, correction:</p>
<p>	The Laffer curve and its related theories show us that government spending does not have to be cut at exactly the same rate as <em>taxes</em>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/16/coincidence/comment-page-1/#comment-58753</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 05:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The only effect minimum wage will have on low income workers is mentally. They see more money in their check, ... [but] [t]hey don’t see the price hikes, tax hikes, and the like all sky rocketing around them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
	You&#039;re assuming that the inflation occurs at the same rate as the pay increase. I think it&#039;s fair to say that the income will increase with the stroke of a pen, while the resulting inflation will occur gradually over a certain period of time. During that period of time, those affected by the wage hike will indeed have an increase in purchasing power. It won&#039;t last and it may even decrease in the beyond its original point, but the short-term impact is very real.

	&lt;blockquote&gt;cutting taxes is a way to REDUCE government meddling in the economy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
	Yes, it is a step in the right direction, but that doesn&#039;t change the fact that the act of cutting taxes is a conscious attempt to alter the economy. All in all, it is an attempt that I virtually always support, but it is not always beneficial.

	The Laffer curve and its related theories show us that government spending does not have to be cut at exactly the same rate as taxes, but that doesn&#039;t mean you can cut it at any rate you please. You could easily cut taxes to an extent that blows right by the peak of the Laffer curve and into the territory where the damage from deficit spending far outweighs the benefits of the rate cut.

	As I said, any change in the interaction between the private and public sectors must happen in moderation or the friction involved in the transition can outweigh whatever benefits the transition was intended to have.

	&lt;blockquote&gt;Right when you characterized tax reduction as government meddling, the rest of what you say goes **Poof…evaporate**&lt;/blockquote&gt;
	Life must be much easier for someone who can disregard an entire argument simply because he either doesn&#039;t agree with or understand a portion of said argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The only effect minimum wage will have on low income workers is mentally. They see more money in their check, &#8230; [but] [t]hey don’t see the price hikes, tax hikes, and the like all sky rocketing around them.</p></blockquote>
<p>	You&#8217;re assuming that the inflation occurs at the same rate as the pay increase. I think it&#8217;s fair to say that the income will increase with the stroke of a pen, while the resulting inflation will occur gradually over a certain period of time. During that period of time, those affected by the wage hike will indeed have an increase in purchasing power. It won&#8217;t last and it may even decrease in the beyond its original point, but the short-term impact is very real.</p>
<blockquote><p>cutting taxes is a way to REDUCE government meddling in the economy.</p></blockquote>
<p>	Yes, it is a step in the right direction, but that doesn&#8217;t change the fact that the act of cutting taxes is a conscious attempt to alter the economy. All in all, it is an attempt that I virtually always support, but it is not always beneficial.</p>
<p>	The Laffer curve and its related theories show us that government spending does not have to be cut at exactly the same rate as taxes, but that doesn&#8217;t mean you can cut it at any rate you please. You could easily cut taxes to an extent that blows right by the peak of the Laffer curve and into the territory where the damage from deficit spending far outweighs the benefits of the rate cut.</p>
<p>	As I said, any change in the interaction between the private and public sectors must happen in moderation or the friction involved in the transition can outweigh whatever benefits the transition was intended to have.</p>
<blockquote><p>Right when you characterized tax reduction as government meddling, the rest of what you say goes **Poof…evaporate**</p></blockquote>
<p>	Life must be much easier for someone who can disregard an entire argument simply because he either doesn&#8217;t agree with or understand a portion of said argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Good Richard's Almanac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Good Richard's Almanac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 04:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Milton Friedman, In Memoriam&lt;/strong&gt;
	Milton Friedman, Nobel prize winner for economics, and noted libertarian has passed away. In his honor, I present an episode of Open Mind in which Mr. Friedman provides a persuasive argument for limited government. In fact, this Google Video claims...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Milton Friedman, In Memoriam</strong><br />
	Milton Friedman, Nobel prize winner for economics, and noted libertarian has passed away. In his honor, I present an episode of Open Mind in which Mr. Friedman provides a persuasive argument for limited government. In fact, this Google Video claims&#8230;</p>
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