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		<title>By: American Daughter Media Center - Front Page &#38;#38;#187; Blog Archive &#38;#38;#187; Stop The ACLU</title>
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		<dc:creator>American Daughter Media Center - Front Page &#38;#38;#187; Blog Archive &#38;#38;#187; Stop The ACLU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 14:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The ACLU have much more to cheer about. When it comes to the war on terror the ACLU consistently choose the wrong side. Despite recent polls indicating that most Americans do not feel civil liberties have been harmed by the war on terror, they have made a mantra over the NSA surveillance program. They have called on their Democrat friends in Congress to shut down any attempt by the lame duck Congress to pass legislation that would further this program. They have reason to cheer once again as the Democrats have every intention to block NSA legislation. The Democrats have the ACLU talking points down pat.  There are a lot of bad bills that the Republicans may try to ram through, but here’s the worst of the worst - a bill to legalize the President’s warrantless wiretapping program. The White House is desperate to enact this bill, which allows the government to spy on American citizens, on American soil, without a warrant. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The ACLU have much more to cheer about. When it comes to the war on terror the ACLU consistently choose the wrong side. Despite recent polls indicating that most Americans do not feel civil liberties have been harmed by the war on terror, they have made a mantra over the NSA surveillance program. They have called on their Democrat friends in Congress to shut down any attempt by the lame duck Congress to pass legislation that would further this program. They have reason to cheer once again as the Democrats have every intention to block NSA legislation. The Democrats have the ACLU talking points down pat.  There are a lot of bad bills that the Republicans may try to ram through, but here’s the worst of the worst &#8211; a bill to legalize the President’s warrantless wiretapping program. The White House is desperate to enact this bill, which allows the government to spy on American citizens, on American soil, without a warrant. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Irate Nation &#38;#38;#187; Stop The Aclu Blogburst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irate Nation &#38;#38;#187; Stop The Aclu Blogburst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Schumer seems to be on a roll too. The ACLU have much more to cheer about. When it comes to the war on terror the ACLU consistently choose the wrong side. Despite recent polls indicating that most Americans do not feel civil liberties have been harmed by the war on terror, they have made a mantra over over the NSA surveillance program. They have called on their Democrat friends in Congress to shut down any attempt by the lame duck Congress to pass legislation that would further this program. They have reason to cheer once again as the Democrats have every intention to block NSA legislation. The Democrats have the ACLU talking points down pat. There are a lot of bad bills that the Republicans may try to ram through, but here&#38;rsquo;s the worst of the worst - a bill to legalize the President&#38;rsquo;s warrantless wiretapping program. The White House is desperate to enact this bill, which allows the government to spy on American citizens, on American soil, without a warrant. If we want to show people that we have what it takes to govern, we need to start proving ourselves right now, from day one. Proving ourselves means standing up for Democratic values, and stopping the worn-out Republican agenda that Americans just rejected at the polls. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Schumer seems to be on a roll too. The ACLU have much more to cheer about. When it comes to the war on terror the ACLU consistently choose the wrong side. Despite recent polls indicating that most Americans do not feel civil liberties have been harmed by the war on terror, they have made a mantra over over the NSA surveillance program. They have called on their Democrat friends in Congress to shut down any attempt by the lame duck Congress to pass legislation that would further this program. They have reason to cheer once again as the Democrats have every intention to block NSA legislation. The Democrats have the ACLU talking points down pat. There are a lot of bad bills that the Republicans may try to ram through, but here&#38;#38;rsquo;s the worst of the worst &#8211; a bill to legalize the President&#38;#38;rsquo;s warrantless wiretapping program. The White House is desperate to enact this bill, which allows the government to spy on American citizens, on American soil, without a warrant. If we want to show people that we have what it takes to govern, we need to start proving ourselves right now, from day one. Proving ourselves means standing up for Democratic values, and stopping the worn-out Republican agenda that Americans just rejected at the polls. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Xtreme Right Wing. Scratching the Rash of Liberalism!</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/13/aclu-urges-watch-on-lame-duck-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-58591</link>
		<dc:creator>Xtreme Right Wing. Scratching the Rash of Liberalism!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Schumer seems to be on a roll too. The ACLU have much more to cheer about. When it comes to the war on terror the ACLU consistently choose the wrong side. Despite recent polls indicating that most Americans do not feel civil liberties have been harmed by the war on terror, they have made a mantra over over the NSA surveillance program. They have called on their Democrat friends in Congress to shut down any attempt by the lame duck Congress to pass legislation that would further this program. They have reason to cheer once again as the Democrats have every intention to block NSA legislation. The Democrats have the ACLU talking points down pat. There are a lot of bad bills that the Republicans may try to ram through, but here’s the worst of the worst - a bill to legalize the President’s warrantless wiretapping program. The White House is desperate to enact this bill, which allows the government to spy on American citizens, on American soil, without a warrant. If we want to show people that we have what it takes to govern, we need to start proving ourselves right now, from day one. Proving ourselves means standing up for Democratic values, and stopping the worn-out Republican agenda that Americans just rejected at the polls. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Schumer seems to be on a roll too. The ACLU have much more to cheer about. When it comes to the war on terror the ACLU consistently choose the wrong side. Despite recent polls indicating that most Americans do not feel civil liberties have been harmed by the war on terror, they have made a mantra over over the NSA surveillance program. They have called on their Democrat friends in Congress to shut down any attempt by the lame duck Congress to pass legislation that would further this program. They have reason to cheer once again as the Democrats have every intention to block NSA legislation. The Democrats have the ACLU talking points down pat. There are a lot of bad bills that the Republicans may try to ram through, but here’s the worst of the worst &#8211; a bill to legalize the President’s warrantless wiretapping program. The White House is desperate to enact this bill, which allows the government to spy on American citizens, on American soil, without a warrant. If we want to show people that we have what it takes to govern, we need to start proving ourselves right now, from day one. Proving ourselves means standing up for Democratic values, and stopping the worn-out Republican agenda that Americans just rejected at the polls. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Clay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 05:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The horse is sufficiently dead, so I’m not going to comment further on this thread. Feel free to add a summation if you wish; I will do you the courtesy of reading it, but I cannot take the time to respond further.&quot;

I know. You can&#039;t take it further because you can&#039;t respond to it in any meaningfully way.

Dully noted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The horse is sufficiently dead, so I’m not going to comment further on this thread. Feel free to add a summation if you wish; I will do you the courtesy of reading it, but I cannot take the time to respond further.&#8221;</p>
<p>I know. You can&#8217;t take it further because you can&#8217;t respond to it in any meaningfully way.</p>
<p>Dully noted.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;If the Republicans owe the Democrats a “transition preparation”&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m not talking about who owes whom what. The lame-duck period &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; a transition period, nothing more, nothing less. As such, anyone presiding over a lame-duck period is ethically obligated to confine their activities to the bare necessities. but...
&lt;blockquote&gt;they can look no further than the Clinton administration’s example as to what is expected. Right?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yeah, they can use that as an example if they feel compelled to. They can start all the petty squabbles they want as long as they don&#039;t take on legislation that should wait for the incoming congress.
&lt;blockquote&gt;since you conveniently keep ignoring it, the Democrats don&#039;t
have a history of doing the admirable thing that you are calling for,
&quot;transition assistance&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You introduced it in comment 6. I ignored it at the time because I didn&#039;t feel it was an accurate analogy. You reintroduced it in comment 11 and I have now responded directly to it in comments 13 and 16.

I&#039;ve stated my position in full. You&#039;ve stated yours. The horse is sufficiently dead, so I&#039;m not going to comment further on this thread. Feel free to add a summation if you wish; I will do you the courtesy of reading it, but I cannot take the time to respond further.

I enjoyed the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If the Republicans owe the Democrats a “transition preparation”</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m not talking about who owes whom what. The lame-duck period <em>is</em> a transition period, nothing more, nothing less. As such, anyone presiding over a lame-duck period is ethically obligated to confine their activities to the bare necessities. but&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>they can look no further than the Clinton administration’s example as to what is expected. Right?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, they can use that as an example if they feel compelled to. They can start all the petty squabbles they want as long as they don&#8217;t take on legislation that should wait for the incoming congress.</p>
<blockquote><p>since you conveniently keep ignoring it, the Democrats don&#8217;t<br />
have a history of doing the admirable thing that you are calling for,<br />
&#8220;transition assistance&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>You introduced it in comment 6. I ignored it at the time because I didn&#8217;t feel it was an accurate analogy. You reintroduced it in comment 11 and I have now responded directly to it in comments 13 and 16.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve stated my position in full. You&#8217;ve stated yours. The horse is sufficiently dead, so I&#8217;m not going to comment further on this thread. Feel free to add a summation if you wish; I will do you the courtesy of reading it, but I cannot take the time to respond further.</p>
<p>I enjoyed the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/13/aclu-urges-watch-on-lame-duck-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-58606</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 04:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and again...since you conveniently keep ignoring it, the Democrats don&#039;t have a history of doing the admirable thing that you are calling for, &quot;transition assistance&quot;, hence again, my Clinton Administration&#039;s turn over to the White House analogy.

You see, you can cite dictionary definitions all you want, as long as you remain on the outskirts of what I am talking about.  Right?
God forbid you actually stick to the subject you yourself introduced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and again&#8230;since you conveniently keep ignoring it, the Democrats don&#8217;t have a history of doing the admirable thing that you are calling for, &#8220;transition assistance&#8221;, hence again, my Clinton Administration&#8217;s turn over to the White House analogy.</p>
<p>You see, you can cite dictionary definitions all you want, as long as you remain on the outskirts of what I am talking about.  Right?<br />
God forbid you actually stick to the subject you yourself introduced.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 03:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice try on the dictionary lesson, but it was you who insisted upon the whole &quot;transition responsibility&quot;.
Therefore, my analogy stands.
If the Republicans owe the Democrats a &quot;transition preparation&quot; then, they can look no further than the Clinton administration&#039;s example as to what is expected.  Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice try on the dictionary lesson, but it was you who insisted upon the whole &#8220;transition responsibility&#8221;.<br />
Therefore, my analogy stands.<br />
If the Republicans owe the Democrats a &#8220;transition preparation&#8221; then, they can look no further than the Clinton administration&#8217;s example as to what is expected.  Right?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/13/aclu-urges-watch-on-lame-duck-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-58604</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 02:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;kind of like the smooth transition the Dems in Clinton’s admin gave to the incoming Bush admin. Right?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Irrelevant on three grounds:
1. You&#039;re referring to a transition of the executive branch which doesn&#039;t create legislation.
2. To the best of my knowledge, none of the problems with the transition involved significant legislation
3. Even if the goal of providing a smooth transition wasn&#039;t accomplished to its fullest potential, they still came closer than they would have if they tried to transition immediately after the election results were certified.

&lt;blockquote&gt;This isn’t a business relationship. This is Congress.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/analogy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a?nal?o?gy&lt;/a&gt;?–noun
1.	a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based
5.	Logic. a form of reasoning in which one thing is inferred to be similar to another thing in a certain respect, on the basis of the known similarity between the things in other respects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>kind of like the smooth transition the Dems in Clinton’s admin gave to the incoming Bush admin. Right?</p></blockquote>
<p>Irrelevant on three grounds:<br />
1. You&#8217;re referring to a transition of the executive branch which doesn&#8217;t create legislation.<br />
2. To the best of my knowledge, none of the problems with the transition involved significant legislation<br />
3. Even if the goal of providing a smooth transition wasn&#8217;t accomplished to its fullest potential, they still came closer than they would have if they tried to transition immediately after the election results were certified.</p>
<blockquote><p>This isn’t a business relationship. This is Congress.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/analogy" rel="nofollow">a?nal?o?gy</a>?–noun<br />
1.	a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based<br />
5.	Logic. a form of reasoning in which one thing is inferred to be similar to another thing in a certain respect, on the basis of the known similarity between the things in other respects.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/13/aclu-urges-watch-on-lame-duck-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-58603</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 02:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Maybe your experiences have been different, but I have never been entrusted with an important project after the decision has been made to cease a business relationship.&quot;

This isn&#039;t a business relationship.  This is Congress.  In case in your experience you never noticed. ; )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Maybe your experiences have been different, but I have never been entrusted with an important project after the decision has been made to cease a business relationship.&#8221;</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t a business relationship.  This is Congress.  In case in your experience you never noticed. ; )</p>
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		<title>By: Clay</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/11/13/aclu-urges-watch-on-lame-duck-congress/comment-page-1/#comment-58602</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kind of like the smooth transition the Dems in Clinton&#039;s admin gave to the incoming Bush admin.  Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kind of like the smooth transition the Dems in Clinton&#8217;s admin gave to the incoming Bush admin.  Right?</p>
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