Comments on: ACLU & The Patriot Act http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/10/04/aclu-the-patriot-act/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Thu, 11 Mar 2010 04:29:35 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: kerwin_brown http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/10/04/aclu-the-patriot-act/comment-page-1/#comment-56611 kerwin_brown Thu, 05 Oct 2006 08:07:23 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/10/04/aclu-the-patriot-act/#comment-56611 This is a security issue and in cases of invasion or rebellion, Congress has the right to suspend the privilege of habeas corpus. If you can seize a person without giving a reason, then it seems that you can seize property without giving a reason. I do not believe the 9/11 attack is sufficient justification, but the potentiality of an attack by a nuke or some other weapon that can cause mass death and devastation, could be. This is a security issue and in cases of invasion or rebellion, Congress has the right to suspend the privilege of habeas corpus. If you can seize a person without giving a reason, then it seems that you can seize property without giving a reason. I do not believe the 9/11 attack is sufficient justification, but the potentiality of an attack by a nuke or some other weapon that can cause mass death and devastation, could be.

]]> By: davef http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/10/04/aclu-the-patriot-act/comment-page-1/#comment-56607 davef Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:10:23 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/10/04/aclu-the-patriot-act/#comment-56607 Jeff: I do try to be fair on everything I pen, yet blogs are, by nature, opinion columns and I do find my self much more often in the roll of push back against the ACLU as opposed to the flip side. I think the inherent goal of the ACLU, should they succeed in their ultimate agenda, is very un-American and not in the best interests in our country. Thanks for the note. Jeff:
I do try to be fair on everything I pen, yet blogs are, by nature, opinion columns and I do find my self much more often in the roll of push back against the ACLU as opposed to the flip side.

I think the inherent goal of the ACLU, should they succeed in their ultimate agenda, is very un-American and not in the best interests in our country.

Thanks for the note.

]]> By: Jeff Molby http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/10/04/aclu-the-patriot-act/comment-page-1/#comment-56609 Jeff Molby Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:54:09 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/10/04/aclu-the-patriot-act/#comment-56609 <blockquote>The ACLU are always overboard </blockquote> You're welcome to that opinion, of course, but why does that make them dangerous or evil? They can't pass laws or set policy. All they can do is file lawsuits. It's up to the courts to find the proper balance.

The ACLU are always overboard

You’re welcome to that opinion, of course, but why does that make them dangerous or evil? They can’t pass laws or set policy. All they can do is file lawsuits. It’s up to the courts to find the proper balance.

]]> By: Jay http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/10/04/aclu-the-patriot-act/comment-page-1/#comment-56608 Jay Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:51:35 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/10/04/aclu-the-patriot-act/#comment-56608 The ACLU are always overboard with their fighting against the government's attempts to protect its citizens. The ACLU are always overboard with their fighting against the government’s attempts to protect its citizens.

]]> By: Jeff Molby http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/10/04/aclu-the-patriot-act/comment-page-1/#comment-56610 Jeff Molby Wed, 04 Oct 2006 19:49:00 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/10/04/aclu-the-patriot-act/#comment-56610 I'm pleasantly surprised, davef. Thank you for a unbiased an informative account. I was especially pleased to read this: <blockquote>The only way I can see to avoid that complacency is for organizations, like the ACLU, to poke and prod and critique the use of the act.</blockquote> I think that is a perfect characterization. The Feds are always going to push for more power. Organizations like the ACLU are always going to pull back, sometimes too far. It's the job of the courts to keep the country in a happy medium. However, I'm curious as to why you don't apply this same logic to other issues? <blockquote>The release is quite a spin on the truth, and perhaps an outright exaggeration. The ACLU goes on to be a bit more factual in its statement further into the release.</blockquote> Yeah, they put a healthy dose of spin in it. As with any organization, take their press releases with a healthy dose of skepticism. I’m pleasantly surprised, davef. Thank you for a unbiased an informative account.

I was especially pleased to read this:

The only way I can see to avoid that complacency is for organizations, like the ACLU, to poke and prod and critique the use of the act.

I think that is a perfect characterization. The Feds are always going to push for more power. Organizations like the ACLU are always going to pull back, sometimes too far. It’s the job of the courts to keep the country in a happy medium.

However, I’m curious as to why you don’t apply this same logic to other issues?

The release is quite a spin on the truth, and perhaps an outright exaggeration. The ACLU goes on to be a bit more factual in its statement further into the release.

Yeah, they put a healthy dose of spin in it. As with any organization, take their press releases with a healthy dose of skepticism.

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