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		<title>By: kerwin_brown</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/10/01/worse-than-the-aclu/comment-page-1/#comment-56425</link>
		<dc:creator>kerwin_brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 16:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the clause we are speaking of.

	&quot;Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;&quot;

	Is the football teem Congress or even the federal government?  The answer is no so we have already in territory untouched by the first Amendment so violating it is really not the question.

	If you are going to lie to apply the First Amendment in the first place then what is going to stop you from lying again to achieve whatever gain you are after.

	So why argue about a point that is very plain.  The ACLU and anyone else attacking religions on public property is a liar.

	If they attack legislation passed by Congress that they believe supports and establishment of religion then we possibly have an honest debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the clause we are speaking of.</p>
<p>	&#8220;Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;&#8221;</p>
<p>	Is the football teem Congress or even the federal government?  The answer is no so we have already in territory untouched by the first Amendment so violating it is really not the question.</p>
<p>	If you are going to lie to apply the First Amendment in the first place then what is going to stop you from lying again to achieve whatever gain you are after.</p>
<p>	So why argue about a point that is very plain.  The ACLU and anyone else attacking religions on public property is a liar.</p>
<p>	If they attack legislation passed by Congress that they believe supports and establishment of religion then we possibly have an honest debate.</p>
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		<title>By: kerwin_brown</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/10/01/worse-than-the-aclu/comment-page-1/#comment-56426</link>
		<dc:creator>kerwin_brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 15:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A work by Jean-Jacques Rousseau  was actually one of the two works cited by Board of Visitors at the University of Virginian in March 4, 1825 as the basis of the U.S. Declaration and The U.S. Constitution.  The other was John Locke&#039;s.  I mention the Board of Visitor because it is one on Thomas Jefferson’s papers and he was intimately involved with the University until his death a year later.

	Marx actually disagreed with Rousseau and Locke on the right to property and probably on other things as their basic ideas actually seem opposed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A work by Jean-Jacques Rousseau  was actually one of the two works cited by Board of Visitors at the University of Virginian in March 4, 1825 as the basis of the U.S. Declaration and The U.S. Constitution.  The other was John Locke&#8217;s.  I mention the Board of Visitor because it is one on Thomas Jefferson’s papers and he was intimately involved with the University until his death a year later.</p>
<p>	Marx actually disagreed with Rousseau and Locke on the right to property and probably on other things as their basic ideas actually seem opposed.</p>
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		<title>By: Revealing The ACLU - Standing Up Against the Greatest Overt Attack in American History &#38;#38;#187; Worse Than The ACLU?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Revealing The ACLU - Standing Up Against the Greatest Overt Attack in American History &#38;#38;#187; Worse Than The ACLU?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 11:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Worse Than The ACLU?   By david Crossposted from Stop the ACLU: There are many other organizations out there that were cut from the same page as the ACLU. People should be aware of their dangerous missions as well. I’ve had this link for a few days and a friend just reminded me of it. It was written an analyst-editor at Capital Research Center, a conservative think tank in Washington, D.C. If you thought the left-wing American Civil Liberties Union was bad, wait till you read about the ultra-left “public interest” law firm called the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) in “The Terrorists’ Legal Team.” [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Worse Than The ACLU?   By david Crossposted from Stop the ACLU: There are many other organizations out there that were cut from the same page as the ACLU. People should be aware of their dangerous missions as well. I’ve had this link for a few days and a friend just reminded me of it. It was written an analyst-editor at Capital Research Center, a conservative think tank in Washington, D.C. If you thought the left-wing American Civil Liberties Union was bad, wait till you read about the ultra-left “public interest” law firm called the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) in “The Terrorists’ Legal Team.” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 04:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, so Lynn and her two assistants are officially scum. You have a long way to go before you can prove the organization itself is on a &quot;dangerous mission.&quot;

	Right now, the only thing I see is that they are a politically active non-profit legal team that disagrees with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, so Lynn and her two assistants are officially scum. You have a long way to go before you can prove the organization itself is on a &#8220;dangerous mission.&#8221;</p>
<p>	Right now, the only thing I see is that they are a politically active non-profit legal team that disagrees with you.</p>
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		<title>By: loboinok</title>
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		<dc:creator>loboinok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 04:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/02/10/terror.trial.lawyer/

	This will get you started.</description>
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<p>	This will get you started.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/10/01/worse-than-the-aclu/comment-page-1/#comment-56430</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Lynn Stewart is traitorous scum.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
	I&#039;m not familiar with the case. Was she convicted of anything?

	Even if we assume she is &quot;traitorous scum&quot;, you can&#039;t apply that label to the whole organization simply because of the act(s) of a member of that organization.

	Foley is a pervert, but I would be a fool to assume that a significant portion of the other Republicans are too.

	&lt;blockquote&gt;Defending someone’s “rights” and lying about them to get them off the hook for their crimes are too different things.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
	They certainly are, but you&#039;re alleging a severe ethical violation. Do you have any evidence of such?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Lynn Stewart is traitorous scum.</p></blockquote>
<p>	I&#8217;m not familiar with the case. Was she convicted of anything?</p>
<p>	Even if we assume she is &#8220;traitorous scum&#8221;, you can&#8217;t apply that label to the whole organization simply because of the act(s) of a member of that organization.</p>
<p>	Foley is a pervert, but I would be a fool to assume that a significant portion of the other Republicans are too.</p>
<blockquote><p>Defending someone’s “rights” and lying about them to get them off the hook for their crimes are too different things.</p></blockquote>
<p>	They certainly are, but you&#8217;re alleging a severe ethical violation. Do you have any evidence of such?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not so sure it is the &quot;principles&quot; this organization is defending.  From what I am reading about them, I don&#039;t feel much sympathy.

	&lt;blockquote&gt;But what is most galling to me is CCR’s continuing defense of the convicted terrorist conspirator Lynne Stewart. Stewart was the lawyer for the blind sheik, Omar Abdel Rahman (now a permanent guest in a U.S. Supermax facility), head of an Egyptian Islamist terrorist group called al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya. Members of that group killed 62 people in Luxor, Egypt in 1997, in an effort to put pressure on the U.S. to free the sheik. Egyptian President Anwar Sadat was assassinated after the sheik issued a fatwa calling on Muslims to kill him.

	Stewart did NOT, as CCR and her other supporters claim, merely do her job as a lawyer. After President Bill Clinton’s attorney general, Janet Reno, made Stewart sign an agreement in which she agreed not to pass on her dangerous terrorist client’s messages to the outside world, she ignored it. Stewart passed on the sheik’s message to reporters who wrote news stories indicating that the sheik wanted his group to call off a ceasefire it had with the government of Egypt. In other words, Lynne Stewart told al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya it’s OK to start killing people again, you have the sheik’s blessing, so get on with it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
	Lynn Stewart is traitorous scum.  Defending someone&#039;s &quot;rights&quot; and lying about them to get them off the hook for their crimes are too different things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so sure it is the &#8220;principles&#8221; this organization is defending.  From what I am reading about them, I don&#8217;t feel much sympathy.</p>
<blockquote><p>But what is most galling to me is CCR’s continuing defense of the convicted terrorist conspirator Lynne Stewart. Stewart was the lawyer for the blind sheik, Omar Abdel Rahman (now a permanent guest in a U.S. Supermax facility), head of an Egyptian Islamist terrorist group called al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya. Members of that group killed 62 people in Luxor, Egypt in 1997, in an effort to put pressure on the U.S. to free the sheik. Egyptian President Anwar Sadat was assassinated after the sheik issued a fatwa calling on Muslims to kill him.</p>
<p>	Stewart did NOT, as CCR and her other supporters claim, merely do her job as a lawyer. After President Bill Clinton’s attorney general, Janet Reno, made Stewart sign an agreement in which she agreed not to pass on her dangerous terrorist client’s messages to the outside world, she ignored it. Stewart passed on the sheik’s message to reporters who wrote news stories indicating that the sheik wanted his group to call off a ceasefire it had with the government of Egypt. In other words, Lynne Stewart told al-Gama’a al-Islamiyya it’s OK to start killing people again, you have the sheik’s blessing, so get on with it.</p></blockquote>
<p>	Lynn Stewart is traitorous scum.  Defending someone&#8217;s &#8220;rights&#8221; and lying about them to get them off the hook for their crimes are too different things.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Jay. It&#039;s been a long weekend and I&#039;m tired, so my comment wasn&#039;t very eloquent. I was just venting my frustration with all of the ad hominem attacks.
	&lt;blockquote&gt;The Center for Constitutional Rights is openly anti-American and pro-terrorist. Groups suspected of ties to terrorism give money to CCR. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
	&lt;blockquote&gt;What’s the connection between Communism and Islamism? CCR hates America so it decided to align itself with terrorists who hate America. It seems CCR and its supporters believe that Islamic Fascist terrorists are freedom fighters and spokesmen for legitimate national liberation movements.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
	&lt;blockquote&gt;CCR has enjoyed much success in its legal fight against the U.S. government’s War on Terror, most notably in Rasul v. Bush in which the firm was counsel. (It filed “amicus curiae” briefs in other WOT cases as well.) Rasul is the infamous 2004 case in which the Supreme Court ruled (6 to 3) that CCR’s clients, 16 foreign nationals captured during U.S. hostilities with the Taliban in Afghanistan, had the legal right to challenge their detentions in U.S. civilian courts.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
	C&#039;mon... representing suspected terrorists doesn&#039;t make them &quot;pro-terrorist&quot;. While I know nothing about this organization (and I suspect few people here knew about them either until today), I think it is quite likely that they are simply pro-Constitution.

	It used to be considered a noble thing to defend an important principle, even if the short-term outcome was undesirable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Jay. It&#8217;s been a long weekend and I&#8217;m tired, so my comment wasn&#8217;t very eloquent. I was just venting my frustration with all of the ad hominem attacks.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Center for Constitutional Rights is openly anti-American and pro-terrorist. Groups suspected of ties to terrorism give money to CCR. </p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>What’s the connection between Communism and Islamism? CCR hates America so it decided to align itself with terrorists who hate America. It seems CCR and its supporters believe that Islamic Fascist terrorists are freedom fighters and spokesmen for legitimate national liberation movements.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>CCR has enjoyed much success in its legal fight against the U.S. government’s War on Terror, most notably in Rasul v. Bush in which the firm was counsel. (It filed “amicus curiae” briefs in other WOT cases as well.) Rasul is the infamous 2004 case in which the Supreme Court ruled (6 to 3) that CCR’s clients, 16 foreign nationals captured during U.S. hostilities with the Taliban in Afghanistan, had the legal right to challenge their detentions in U.S. civilian courts.</p></blockquote>
<p>	C&#8217;mon&#8230; representing suspected terrorists doesn&#8217;t make them &#8220;pro-terrorist&#8221;. While I know nothing about this organization (and I suspect few people here knew about them either until today), I think it is quite likely that they are simply pro-Constitution.</p>
<p>	It used to be considered a noble thing to defend an important principle, even if the short-term outcome was undesirable.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if you read the entire thing...it isn&#039;t arguing that.  It is arguing against using U.S. Courts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if you read the entire thing&#8230;it isn&#8217;t arguing that.  It is arguing against using U.S. Courts.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Molby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Molby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw c&#039;mon already. Suspected terrorists deserve competent legal counsel. If we&#039;re not going to give them a fair day in some court, somewhere, let&#039;s just shoot them and get it over with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw c&#8217;mon already. Suspected terrorists deserve competent legal counsel. If we&#8217;re not going to give them a fair day in some court, somewhere, let&#8217;s just shoot them and get it over with.</p>
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