Does the Left know shame? Freedom From Religion Foundation “commemorates” 9/11
Posted on September 11, 2006
The fanatic atheist fascists known as FFRF have pulled a page out of Joe Cook’s filthy book and taken it a step further. Not only are these dunces likening good, honest religious citizens and public servants to the 9/11 butchers on this day, they are using this Bizarro-world venom to RAISE FUNDS!
See for yourself: Picture a World Free From Religion
Need I say more?
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Someone needs to remind these fools that the ’secular’ Soviet Union, where religion was heavily discouraged, killed twenty million of their own people…
The god they serve is no doubt pleased with their efforts.
They just don’t get that if the islamofascists win it won’t be a world without religion, it’ll be a world of forced religion with no choices including non-religious…
China and North Korea are atheist nations also. Cambodia with its killing fields was also an atheist nation. But bigots close-minded no matter if they claim to worship a deity or not.
How about the the freedom from freedom from religion? Shouldn’t that be a right as well then?
You should keep your minds open!
After all it is absolute devotion to god that emboldens people to fly airplanes into buildings, thinking that there is some imaginary higher power justifying the commission of such terrible acts.
Don’t just reflexively vilify atheists, as the religious community is so prone to do. They are as moral and just as anyone else. They just believe that morals comes from within the individual and that you should do good (and not evil) because it is good to do rather than to avoid the punishment of a wrathful god.
At the very least readers of this blog should take the tests on the home page of FFRF website just to make themselves aware of the preposterous teacthings of the Bible
The World is changing! The Holy Roman Empire used to be the center of Christianity, it is now in Muslim hands. Europe is now largely secular where the churches and Synegogues are empty. The USA is merely following this trend at a slower pace.
Its not that I would vilify an atheist. I just don’t believe in atheists. I think they are a figment of their own imaginations.
Well, that’s exactly how Atheists feel about Gods. Of course, the difference is that it can be proven that Atheists exist.
No, really?? I think you are making all of this up.
Aren’t your last two comments saying the same thing? Seriously, I don’t understand how anybody can be anything but an Atheist. If there was a god controlling things, then why did he/she let that hurricane plow right into America’s bible belt? I wonder how many people were praying that it would take a different course. If that is not the ultimate proof that prayer is useless, and that nobody is at the controls, then what would be?
“…I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”
-Stephen F. Roberts
Sailnsouth,
“They are as moral and just as anyone else.”
It depends on how you want to define moral. A study was conducted and found out that African American teens who attended church regularly are more likely to remain abstinent.
I suspect that religious people who are cultural liberals are more likely to be immoral while atheists who are cultural conservatives are more likely to be moral. Atheist lack the bonus gained by frequently reinforcing their ethics. They also lack others holding them accountable.
If you know about Alcoholics Anonymous and other like 12 step programs then you would know it depends on faith in something outside of the person to work. Atheists do not have that and so lack the bonus gained by it.
Morenberg,
First who told you New Orleans was a religious city. From what I know it was a cultural liberal one and probably still remains cultural liberal.
Second why wouldn’t a God who cares more about the souls of people than their lives or any other temporary possession they might have, allow a disaster to befall their city if he saw a way to rescue souls through sacrificing the welfare of the city?
I believe the atheists are underestimating God. Just as Kerwin stated…allowing nature to take its natural course does not mean God does not exist. This life is but an illusion and our body but a vessel.
If you believe in the brotherhood of man and peace, then set aside whether one believes in God or not. There are many atheist that adhere to good morals, and many that believe in God who do. If extremists kill in the name of God this no more reflects the beliefs of all believers than the atheists who attack the beliefs of those that believe in God reflects the beliefs of all atheists. To compare a natural disaster to a deliberate murder is a stupid example.
Thank you. Now the group above are pretty condescending in their words towards those that believe.
What happened to Morenburg’s comments?
We all should be looking fo the truth.
Who would argue that believing that there is someone up above looking after us, and that we will all (if deserving) go to heaven and never die is an appealing notion. At some point you have to invoke the cliche “if it sounds too good to be true it probably isn’t.
In additon there are so many other expanations for who God is. They cannot all be true. They are generally exclusioanary. How convenient it is that the Old Testamanet would find the Jews to be the “God’s chosen people” while in the Koran the followers of Mohamed are the chosen ones. The Bible clearly mentions following Jesus as a requirement for entering heaven. So at least according to the Bible only followers of Jesus will go to heaven.
At some point you need to follow the truth even if it is painful and points to the likely fact that we are all going to die some day and that is all there is.
Therein lies one fo the fears Atheists have towards the religious. Each believer thinks his moral compass is without the possiblitiy of error. An example above someone mentions that the belief in God helps young women remain abstinent. Abstinence is not a universal value. The evil of the human body and sexuality is primarily a concept of Christians and other religions such as Islam that were founded in the Middle East. There are plenty of examples of cultures such as the Polynesians who are virtuous people but to whom abstinence is not a virtue.
So maybe we should give freedom from religion a chance!
What happened to Morenburg’s comments?
I have no idea.
Morenburg is registered and obviously commented in #8 and #10 yet a comment search showed ‘no comments’.
I found comment #18 in the ’spam filter’.
If you’re going to argue over who is more moral, just keep in mind that while atheists comprise 10% of the general population in the US, they only account for about 2% of those in prison.
So maybe we should give freedom from religion a chance
So maybe you should do a little research into societies that have done that and let us know how they fared or are faring now.
“atheists comprise 10% of the general population in the US, they only account for about 2% of those in prison.”
Let’s have a source c-tx, a real source.
I need to ask the FFRF defenders here to account for the 100 million murders under atheism during last century? Atheists have slaughtered an exponentially-greater number of innocent people than all those in the past millenia who’ve claimed to be killing FOR and IN THE NAME OF, God or a god, unless you consider the state a god as secularists do.
SS–
“Who would argue that believing that there is someone up above looking after us, and that we will all (if deserving) go to heaven and never die is an appealing notion.”
This from someone who implores others to “keep your minds open!”
“Polynesians”
You can’t be referring to Margaret Mead’s junk “research.” This was sh*t-canned decades ago.
I find it hard to believe that anyone, even an atheist, can defend the hatred and bigotry peddled by FFRF. This latest Molotov by FFRF has nothing to do with the group BEING atheists, it has everything to do with what they advocate and that they lump together innocent people of faith with conscienceless butchers. To defend this intellectual felony is to be complicit in rank bigotry and a veiled call-to-arms which requires the eradication innocent people.
Lest we not forget Germany, Italy, and Japan just a few short years ago started a thing called WWII. I believe Germany and Italy were strongly Christian countries, in fact Adolf himself was Catholic. Japan was a non-Christian but spiritual country.
A question for the group-if we as American taxpayers provide cluster bombs and military and financial aid to Israel and they use those means to kill innocent Lebanese. Are we as civilians REALLY innocent
when this results in the deaths of civilians in other countries? Some people might not think so!
“I find it hard to believe that anyone, even an atheist, can defend the hatred and bigotry peddled by FFRF”
I think the FFRF’s message is being misinterpreted. They are not implying that all religious people are bad people. I think they are saying that religion breeds some religious fanatics, and many of these fanatics cause problems.
It’s like my alcohol analogy which got deleted: there are some people who can drink small amounts of alcohol who are happy, productive members of society. But some people get addicted to it, and it takes control of their lives. Some non-drinkers probably have the opinion that the world would be a better place if nobody drank. But they also realize that we live in a free country, and that it would not be appropriate to infringe on the rights of the people who drink responsibly. I can’t really speak for them, but I think this is how the FFRF views religion.
“I think the FFRF’s message is being misinterpreted. They are not implying that all religious people are bad people. I think they are saying that religion breeds some religious fanatics, and many of these fanatics cause problems.”
READ WHAT FFRF HAS WRITTEN FOR PETE’S SAKE. IT IS FAR MORE CLEAR THAN YOU CARE TO ADMIT. YOU GIVE THESE FACSISTS FOR MORE CREDIT THAN THEY DESERVE.
JUST LOOK AT THE TITLE: “PICTURE A WORLD FREE FROM RELIGION” — NO QUALIFIER THERE IS THERE?
“Lest we not forget Germany, Italy, and Japan just a few short years ago started a thing called WWII. I believe Germany and Italy were strongly Christian countries, in fact Adolf himself was Catholic. Japan was a non-Christian but spiritual country.”
Historical illiteracy does not promote your case SS. Because you “believe” what you write doesn’t make the facts conform to your “belief.” Not one of those countries waged war IN THE NAME OF any god or because of any religious influence. Hitler WAS NOT “a Catholic” and specifically rejected Christianity as a step-child to Judaism in favor of radical naturalism (the “perfection” of society through eugenics — a clearly non-Christian pursuit) in a nationalist, state-as-god context, which is prevelant today not on the Right, but on the Left.
Up in smoke, SS.
I believe Germany and Italy were strongly Christian countries, in fact Adolf himself was Catholic. Japan was a non-Christian but spiritual country.
I am more interested in what you can show to be fact than what you believe.
Especially in light of your stating as fact that Hitler was Catholic.
The fact is, Hitler was born into a Catholic family but he specifically rejected Catholicism and he rejected Christianity in general.
Historians agree that Hitler was pointedly anti-Christian.
This addresses perversion of religion but not “freedom from religion”. Try again.
GF,
I was apparently writing up my comment while you were posting…good response.
Hey lobo–
Looks like we were in “lockstep” there. Ha! Either that or the precise incidents of abject dim-wittedness are apparent to anyone who’d happen upon the comment.
GF,
I vote the latter. ;^)
This is a quote from “Mein Kampf” written by the then leader of the Christian country Germany…Adolf Hitler
“Therefore, I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews, I am doing the Lord’s Work.”
Mussolini was Catholic, Italy is and was Catholic
This is a quote from “WBC” written by Fred Phelps, leader of the ’so-called’ christian, Westboro Baptist Church.
“For ten long, weary years prior to 9/11, WBC warned you daily on the mean streets of this nation
that your sodomite sins would be avenged by an angry God “except ye repent.” You presecuted us,
thereby aggravating your great transgression. On 9/11/01, God Almighty dealt backslidden America
a staggering blow.
What do either quotes have to do with your So maybe we should give freedom from religion a chance
and my suggestion…
So maybe you should do a little research into societies that have done that and let us know how they fared or are faring now?
Yes-
Europe in general and Scandinavia in particular are secular where religion has little or no effect on people’s daily lives. They are relatively peaceful and prosperous. The United States on the other hand (being one of the more religious counties on the planet) has been embroiled in war after war during the post WWII era. There just might be a connection there. Plus we put ourselves up as a target for all the Islamic extremists of the world to aim at.
The Pope was recently lamenting in a speech in Europe that Europeans should not forake God. Leave them alone they’re doing fine! He’s now further inflamed things by his recent anti-Islamic remarks, Great job Pope!
Christianity gradually gained ground in Sweden during the 10th, 11th and 12th centuries. In the 16th century, Sweden broke away from the Catholic Church and for almost four centuries had an evangelical Lutheran State Church. During the late 19th century, several free churches emerged and the monopoly of the State Church was weakened. The largest free church movements are the Pentecostal Movement, the Swedish Missionary Society, various Baptist churches and the Salvation Army. On 1 January 2000, the Church of Sweden became independent from the state and was placed on the same footing as other religious organisations. Previously a child automatically became a member of the Church of Sweden if one of its parents was a member, but now a child becomes a member by being christened. Approximately 84 per cent of the population belongs to the Church of Sweden.
The main religion in Norway is The Evangelical Lutheran Church of Norway, to which 89% of the population belongs to and which is the religion of the state. Church and state are not separated in Norway, but complete religious freedom is guaranteed. The remaining 11% of the population belong to Islam, the Roman-Catholic church, various Protestant denominations, other religions or are non-religious.
Ecclesiastical and religious matters in Denmark are subject to the Constitution, the main principles being established by the stipulation that the Evangelical Lutheran Church – as the established Church of Denmark – shall be supported by the State, and also by provisions on freedom of religion, speech and assembly. State support is partly moral and political (Sunday observance legislation and legislation on church matters), partly financial and administrative (contributions to clergy salaries and pensions, the collection of church taxes, the maintenance of the national church governance by means of a Ministry of Ecclesiastical Affairs and diocesan administration, supervision, advisory services, etc.).
Of religious communities, the established church is by far the largest (encompassing 85.4% of the population in 1998). Alongside the established church various other Christian churches are represented in Denmark and have been accorded the status of officially recognised religious communities. These are (in order of size) the Roman Catholic Church with c. 35,000 members, the Danish Baptist Church with c. 5500 adult members and the Pentecostal churches with c. 5000 members; of communities with 3000 members and under mention should be made of the Seventh Day Adventists, the Catholic Apostolic Church, the Reformed Churches in Fredericia and Copenhagen, the Salvation Army, the Methodist Church, the Anglican Church and the Russian Orthodox Church in Copenhagen. In addition, with a rather more distant relationship to Christianity, there are Jehovah’s Witnesses with ca. 15,000 members and the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) with c. 4500 members. Outside the National Church there are nine other independent recognised Lutheran congregations of Grundtvigian origin. (The Grundtvigian and other elective congregations form part of the National Church) The German minority in Southern Jutland has its own parishes within the National Church, with its own clergy in the four southern Jutland towns of Haderslev, Aabenraa, Sønderborg and Tønder, in addition to which they have six independent Lutheran congregations outside the National Church.
In 2000, the Evangelical-Lutheran Church of Finland had more than 4.4 million members, that is 85% of the population, registered with a parish.
The Evangelical-Lutheran Church comprises eight dioceses with nine bishops and almost 600 independent parishes. The average parish has 7,000 members, with the smallest parishes comprising only a few hundred members and the largest tens of thousands.
Freedom of religion is guaranteed in Iceland by the Constitution. There is a State church, the Evangelical Lutheran Church, to which over 85% of the population belongs. Other denominations: Evangelical Lutheran Free churches (3.5%), Roman Catholic Church (1,1%), Pentecostal and Charismatic Congregations (1.0%) and others (1.2%). Non-affiliated amount to 2.0% of the population.
The conversion of Iceland to Christianity was a unique event. A whole society abandoned its ancient heathen belief and peacefully adopted the Christian faith. This happened at the opening session of Althing, the parliament, at Thingvellir in the year 1000, when the nation faced bitter divisions. The Speaker, Thorgeir of Ljósavatn, himself a heathen, addressed Althingi and spoke the classic words: “If the law torn asunder, so will the peace”. He declared that all Icelanders should be baptized into Christianity. This decision is considered to be the most important ever taken at Althingi since its establishment in 930 AD.
I’ll cede Europe and wager that in 10 years you will not be trumpeting the secularization of Europe yourself.
The United States on the other hand (being one of the more religious counties on the planet) has been embroiled in war after war during the post WWII era.
Korean War… war of containment and against Communism
Vietnam War… against Communism
Desert Storm… against Facsism… joined by British, French, Egyptian and even Syrian forces
Operation Enduring Freedom… against Facsism
Iraqi Freedom… against Facsism
I would continue point by point but it would be a total waste of my time.
You have consistantly shown by your statements that you oppose the system that protects your rights in favor of one that is hell bent on destroying that system, as well as those rights.
You deny the religion from whence your rights derive and prefer to place them under the State. A State that can take them as easily as they give them and you can do nothing about because you have separated the State from the Church.
Yet at the same time, you seem to defend a Theocratic religion that has married itself to a Facsist/Marxist ideology that would force you to accept its ideology, give up your rights or die for refusing.
If you want to believe that crap, thats your business.
If you become pro-active and it threatens my liberties and rights, it becomes my business.
The seperation of church and state was thought up by our founding fathers to keep us out of the issues which are plaguing the middle east. The idea that the church should be considered in government is idiotic.
Your religion should not be forced upon anyone else. For instance; when a woman chooses to have an abortion that is her choice – it does not affect YOU! When a woman has no choice because it offends your religion, that is a forced decision.
It needs to end, religion is the way in which a few can keep the many under control.