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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/09/03/aclu-theocrats/comment-page-2/#comment-55082</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 18:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ACLU backed a lawsuit against Yeshiva University, an Orthodox Jewish school, because the university would not allow two lesbians to live in married student housing. The school holds the traditional Jewish position that homosexual behavior is a violation of God’s law. The school lost, and the ACLU crowed about how it had forced a private faith-based organization to violate its core beliefs. ACLU attorney Matthew Coles said, “It’s a fabulous ruling.”

	In Oklahoma, a thirty-year veteran school teacher had been teaching Bible lessons to his students during non-school time. The students voluntarily participated. The ACLU filed a lawsuit against the teacher and the curriculum publisher, stating that they were “co-conspirators to establish religion.” The case went to a jury, which found against the teacher and publisher, but only awarded the plaintiffs $251 – an indication of how they really felt about the ACLU lawsuit. But the story does not end there. ACLU backed attorneys turned around and sought more than eighty thousand dollars from the teacher for their legal fees and costs. The Alliance Defense Fund stepped in, free of charge, to help him. The ACLU-backed attorneys eventually received only a fraction of their original demand.

	In Louisiana, the ACLU filed a lawsuit challenging a voluntary prayer group of Christian teachers. The teachers met on their own time, during recess, and not during instructional time. 7 In addition, the ACLU’s executive director has compared school officials who allowed a public prayer to the terrorists who attacked the World Trade Center and the London subway, 8 as well as calling for jail, stating that individuals that pray publicly “should be removed from society.”

	&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.acluprocon.org/bin/procon/procon.cgi?database=5-E-Sub-&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;More Here:&lt;/a&gt;
	The ACLU has &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.alliancedefensefund.org/news/pressrelease.aspx?cid=3476&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;filed lawsuits&lt;/a&gt; and threatened cities and schools all across the country to prevent Christmas from being openly celebrated in public fora.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ACLU backed a lawsuit against Yeshiva University, an Orthodox Jewish school, because the university would not allow two lesbians to live in married student housing. The school holds the traditional Jewish position that homosexual behavior is a violation of God’s law. The school lost, and the ACLU crowed about how it had forced a private faith-based organization to violate its core beliefs. ACLU attorney Matthew Coles said, “It’s a fabulous ruling.”</p>
<p>	In Oklahoma, a thirty-year veteran school teacher had been teaching Bible lessons to his students during non-school time. The students voluntarily participated. The ACLU filed a lawsuit against the teacher and the curriculum publisher, stating that they were “co-conspirators to establish religion.” The case went to a jury, which found against the teacher and publisher, but only awarded the plaintiffs $251 – an indication of how they really felt about the ACLU lawsuit. But the story does not end there. ACLU backed attorneys turned around and sought more than eighty thousand dollars from the teacher for their legal fees and costs. The Alliance Defense Fund stepped in, free of charge, to help him. The ACLU-backed attorneys eventually received only a fraction of their original demand.</p>
<p>	In Louisiana, the ACLU filed a lawsuit challenging a voluntary prayer group of Christian teachers. The teachers met on their own time, during recess, and not during instructional time. 7 In addition, the ACLU’s executive director has compared school officials who allowed a public prayer to the terrorists who attacked the World Trade Center and the London subway, 8 as well as calling for jail, stating that individuals that pray publicly “should be removed from society.”</p>
<p>	<a href="http://www.acluprocon.org/bin/procon/procon.cgi?database=5-E-Sub-" rel="nofollow">More Here:</a><br />
	The ACLU has <a href="http://www.alliancedefensefund.org/news/pressrelease.aspx?cid=3476" rel="nofollow">filed lawsuits</a> and threatened cities and schools all across the country to prevent Christmas from being openly celebrated in public fora.</p>
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		<title>By: Sailnsouth</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/09/03/aclu-theocrats/comment-page-2/#comment-55083</link>
		<dc:creator>Sailnsouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 17:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are forgetting one of the most useful examples of Christians trying to impose their views on other Americans.  That is the attempt to introduce the teaching of Christian Creation mythology ( the latest form of this being Intelligent Design) into public schools; as recently happened in Dover, PA and is ongoing in places like Kansas etc.

	Not only is intelligent design (or Creation for that matter) baseless as science it has no foundation even in the realm of philosophy.  Yet the majority of Americans think it should be taught in our public schools (you seem to love putting opinion polls in your blog)even to the level of our poor misinformed president George Bush.  Christians should look around at the bigger world.  The truth is the same in Japan as it is in the United States why aren’t the Japanese demanding Creation be taught in their public schools?

	Thankfully the ACLU and Americans for the Separation of Church and State are around to prevent Christianization of our schools science curriculums</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are forgetting one of the most useful examples of Christians trying to impose their views on other Americans.  That is the attempt to introduce the teaching of Christian Creation mythology ( the latest form of this being Intelligent Design) into public schools; as recently happened in Dover, PA and is ongoing in places like Kansas etc.</p>
<p>	Not only is intelligent design (or Creation for that matter) baseless as science it has no foundation even in the realm of philosophy.  Yet the majority of Americans think it should be taught in our public schools (you seem to love putting opinion polls in your blog)even to the level of our poor misinformed president George Bush.  Christians should look around at the bigger world.  The truth is the same in Japan as it is in the United States why aren’t the Japanese demanding Creation be taught in their public schools?</p>
<p>	Thankfully the ACLU and Americans for the Separation of Church and State are around to prevent Christianization of our schools science curriculums</p>
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		<title>By: camanintx</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/09/03/aclu-theocrats/comment-page-2/#comment-55084</link>
		<dc:creator>camanintx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 16:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check and mate, Clay. Apparently you didn&#039;t read my post clearly because I did refute your examples. I and others have provided several clear examples supporting our position and all you make are vague claims with no supporting facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check and mate, Clay. Apparently you didn&#8217;t read my post clearly because I did refute your examples. I and others have provided several clear examples supporting our position and all you make are vague claims with no supporting facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Assorted Babble by Suzie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Assorted Babble by Suzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 15:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Convert to lying Islam Not going to Happen&lt;/strong&gt;
	We need to start busting up these mosques where they do all their planning...and recruiting.If we allow Liberals to take over, expect the Islamic radicals to occupy us. Bottom Line!! War on Terror, Democrat Talking Points MUST READ: ACLU: Theocrats? ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Convert to lying Islam Not going to Happen</strong><br />
	We need to start busting up these mosques where they do all their planning&#8230;and recruiting.If we allow Liberals to take over, expect the Islamic radicals to occupy us. Bottom Line!! War on Terror, Democrat Talking Points MUST READ: ACLU: Theocrats? &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Clay</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/09/03/aclu-theocrats/comment-page-2/#comment-55086</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>camanintx,

	Poor examples?  Why?  Because, you can&#039;t refute them?  I guess I have to say it again:  there wouldn’t be any controversy if there wasn’t any attempt to deny the civil rights of Christians to express themselves in public.

	The ACLU has consistently taken a stance against the public display of religion.  No, I&#039;m not going to cite any of those cases for you.  You look them up yourself.

	If the ACLU and liberals weren&#039;t trying to squelch religion in the public square, we wouldn&#039;t be having this conversation.  That is, unless you have an aluminum hat on your head and think this is all some giant right wing conspiracy of deceitful, nasty Christians picking on the ACLU and liberals for no good reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>camanintx,</p>
<p>	Poor examples?  Why?  Because, you can&#8217;t refute them?  I guess I have to say it again:  there wouldn’t be any controversy if there wasn’t any attempt to deny the civil rights of Christians to express themselves in public.</p>
<p>	The ACLU has consistently taken a stance against the public display of religion.  No, I&#8217;m not going to cite any of those cases for you.  You look them up yourself.</p>
<p>	If the ACLU and liberals weren&#8217;t trying to squelch religion in the public square, we wouldn&#8217;t be having this conversation.  That is, unless you have an aluminum hat on your head and think this is all some giant right wing conspiracy of deceitful, nasty Christians picking on the ACLU and liberals for no good reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/09/03/aclu-theocrats/comment-page-2/#comment-55087</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay,

	You have hit the proverbial nail squarely on the head.

	Therein lies the hypocrisy of the left.

	They come straight at you demanding detailed facts for proof and then hide behind their request, providing no argument of their own.  And, of course, they never provide the same granularity of details that they demand from you.

	But, it&#039;s kind of fun watching them spin and tout their arrogant rejoinders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay,</p>
<p>	You have hit the proverbial nail squarely on the head.</p>
<p>	Therein lies the hypocrisy of the left.</p>
<p>	They come straight at you demanding detailed facts for proof and then hide behind their request, providing no argument of their own.  And, of course, they never provide the same granularity of details that they demand from you.</p>
<p>	But, it&#8217;s kind of fun watching them spin and tout their arrogant rejoinders.</p>
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		<title>By: Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler &#38;#38;#187; Blog Archive &#38;#38;#187; So Who Are the Real Theocrats?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler &#38;#38;#187; Blog Archive &#38;#38;#187; So Who Are the Real Theocrats?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 14:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] LC &#38;#38; IB Jay has an excellent article on the ACLU and their hysterics about the Christian Right and the coming &#38;#8220;theocracy.&#38;#8221;    Posted by Emperor Darth Misha I @ 9:21 am &#124; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] LC &#38;#38;#38; IB Jay has an excellent article on the ACLU and their hysterics about the Christian Right and the coming &#38;#38;#8220;theocracy.&#38;#38;#8221;    Posted by Emperor Darth Misha I @ 9:21 am | [...]</p>
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		<title>By: camanintx</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/09/03/aclu-theocrats/comment-page-2/#comment-55089</link>
		<dc:creator>camanintx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 13:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clay,

	You picked poor examples to make your point since the ACLU has consistantly supported student speach through their choice of clothing and the right of christian clubs to meet on school property. Do you think you could produce a single court case to support your position or are vague references to what you have heard in the news all you can come up with?

	Check and your move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clay,</p>
<p>	You picked poor examples to make your point since the ACLU has consistantly supported student speach through their choice of clothing and the right of christian clubs to meet on school property. Do you think you could produce a single court case to support your position or are vague references to what you have heard in the news all you can come up with?</p>
<p>	Check and your move.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/09/03/aclu-theocrats/comment-page-2/#comment-55090</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it funny that they demand names and examples of how Christians have been targeted by the ACLU?  Yet, when it comes to some imaginary right of privacy not mentioned in the Constitution, they think it is just fine to sue the NSA over hypotheticals.  They can&#039;t name one person that can show they were directly affected by the NSA.  Not one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it funny that they demand names and examples of how Christians have been targeted by the ACLU?  Yet, when it comes to some imaginary right of privacy not mentioned in the Constitution, they think it is just fine to sue the NSA over hypotheticals.  They can&#8217;t name one person that can show they were directly affected by the NSA.  Not one.</p>
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		<title>By: cao</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/09/03/aclu-theocrats/comment-page-2/#comment-55091</link>
		<dc:creator>cao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 11:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meatbrain is in denial, and I don&#039;t mean a river in Egypt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meatbrain is in denial, and I don&#8217;t mean a river in Egypt.</p>
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