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	<title>Comments on: Senate Passes Legislation To Protect Mt. Soledad Cross</title>
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		<title>By: kerwin_brown</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/08/01/senate-passes-legislation-to-protect-mt-soledad-cross/comment-page-1/#comment-54102</link>
		<dc:creator>kerwin_brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 06:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Rational,

	Does a cross hold any religious meaning to an atheist?

	There are Christians that use the fish instead of the cross.  There are Christians that see any symbol as idolatry.  There are Muslims who see any picture depicting a human being or animal as idolatry.  There are probably people who see the statue of Liberty and lady justice as pagan idols.  Do you pick and choose whose opinion you enforce or do we just get rid of all artwork or anything else that can be construed to be a religious symbol.

	Then we better get rid of the music to as you know rock and roll is the devil&#039;s music.

	I saw a statue of Mary in someone&#039;s yard and figured it was idolitry.  Do I get to destroy that because of my opinion?

	In short the cross has the meaning that you personally put to it just like the statue of liberty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Rational,</p>
<p>	Does a cross hold any religious meaning to an atheist?</p>
<p>	There are Christians that use the fish instead of the cross.  There are Christians that see any symbol as idolatry.  There are Muslims who see any picture depicting a human being or animal as idolatry.  There are probably people who see the statue of Liberty and lady justice as pagan idols.  Do you pick and choose whose opinion you enforce or do we just get rid of all artwork or anything else that can be construed to be a religious symbol.</p>
<p>	Then we better get rid of the music to as you know rock and roll is the devil&#8217;s music.</p>
<p>	I saw a statue of Mary in someone&#8217;s yard and figured it was idolitry.  Do I get to destroy that because of my opinion?</p>
<p>	In short the cross has the meaning that you personally put to it just like the statue of liberty.</p>
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		<title>By: Maj M.T. Rational XXXIV</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/08/01/senate-passes-legislation-to-protect-mt-soledad-cross/comment-page-1/#comment-54107</link>
		<dc:creator>Maj M.T. Rational XXXIV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GF: Yes, I still do have a problem with it. When the federal government acquires land with the express intent of circumventing a court ruling to keep a religious symbol on public land, that&#039;s a strong endorsement. To me, endorsement is establishment. Sure, it&#039;s a much looser interpretation of the EC, but I think any endorsement is unconstitutional. I don&#039;t think the government should be able to endorse any religion so long as it doesn&#039;t declare it the official religion of the country.

	KB: &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; said that? I certainly don&#039;t remember saying that, but if you could quote me on it, that&#039;d be great. Anyway, the statue of liberty and the like are devoid of religious meaning at this point in time, so that argument is moot. If you&#039;d like to argue that the cross holds no religious meaning now, I&#039;d be interested to hear it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GF: Yes, I still do have a problem with it. When the federal government acquires land with the express intent of circumventing a court ruling to keep a religious symbol on public land, that&#8217;s a strong endorsement. To me, endorsement is establishment. Sure, it&#8217;s a much looser interpretation of the EC, but I think any endorsement is unconstitutional. I don&#8217;t think the government should be able to endorse any religion so long as it doesn&#8217;t declare it the official religion of the country.</p>
<p>	KB: <i>I</i> said that? I certainly don&#8217;t remember saying that, but if you could quote me on it, that&#8217;d be great. Anyway, the statue of liberty and the like are devoid of religious meaning at this point in time, so that argument is moot. If you&#8217;d like to argue that the cross holds no religious meaning now, I&#8217;d be interested to hear it.</p>
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		<title>By: kerwin_brown</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/08/01/senate-passes-legislation-to-protect-mt-soledad-cross/comment-page-1/#comment-54106</link>
		<dc:creator>kerwin_brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see Mr. Rational wants us to tear down the statue of liberty.  Should we tear down the statues of lady justice in our courthouses for she is another goddess and we would not want to encourage idol worship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see Mr. Rational wants us to tear down the statue of liberty.  Should we tear down the statues of lady justice in our courthouses for she is another goddess and we would not want to encourage idol worship.</p>
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		<title>By: kerwin_brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>kerwin_brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 15:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Rational we as Americans adopt a huge statue of the goddess of liberty as a national monument and you ask if we would be offended by the star of David or even a Muslim Holy Symbol. I think a Wicca symbol may infuriate a minority but so does the blue devil as a school mascot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Rational we as Americans adopt a huge statue of the goddess of liberty as a national monument and you ask if we would be offended by the star of David or even a Muslim Holy Symbol. I think a Wicca symbol may infuriate a minority but so does the blue devil as a school mascot.</p>
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		<title>By: Glib Fortuna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glib Fortuna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It seems a rather blatant endorsement of one religion when the government sponsors such symbols.&quot;

	First off, the Mt. Soledad Cross was erected by private citizens.  Secondly, the Mt. Soledad Memorial Association, which maintains the memorial is a private non-profit.  Third, who do you think the Founders would agree with MR?  Do you really think that the intent of the Est. Clause was to ensure that there were no religous symbols anywhere for any reason on public property?

	So now that you&#039;ve been educated that the Mt. Soledad was sponsored by and is now maintained by a private groups and that you darn well that the Founders did not intend the ESTABLISHMENT Clause (there&#039;s no such thing as the &quot;Endorsement Clause&quot; despite distortions of the court the last few decades), do you still have a problem with this long-standing, historic symbol of the sacrifice of our fallen heroes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It seems a rather blatant endorsement of one religion when the government sponsors such symbols.&#8221;</p>
<p>	First off, the Mt. Soledad Cross was erected by private citizens.  Secondly, the Mt. Soledad Memorial Association, which maintains the memorial is a private non-profit.  Third, who do you think the Founders would agree with MR?  Do you really think that the intent of the Est. Clause was to ensure that there were no religous symbols anywhere for any reason on public property?</p>
<p>	So now that you&#8217;ve been educated that the Mt. Soledad was sponsored by and is now maintained by a private groups and that you darn well that the Founders did not intend the ESTABLISHMENT Clause (there&#8217;s no such thing as the &#8220;Endorsement Clause&#8221; despite distortions of the court the last few decades), do you still have a problem with this long-standing, historic symbol of the sacrifice of our fallen heroes?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever.</p>
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		<title>By: Maj M.T. Rational XXXIV</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maj M.T. Rational XXXIV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 05:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a matter of whether or not a particular religious symbol offends you. I&#039;m personally not offended by religious symbols, but I&#039;m still opposed to the government displaying them. I&#039;d be equally bothered by the star and crescent as I am by the cross. It seems a rather blatant endorsement of one religion when the government sponsors such symbols.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a matter of whether or not a particular religious symbol offends you. I&#8217;m personally not offended by religious symbols, but I&#8217;m still opposed to the government displaying them. I&#8217;d be equally bothered by the star and crescent as I am by the cross. It seems a rather blatant endorsement of one religion when the government sponsors such symbols.</p>
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		<title>By: The Amboy Times</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Amboy Times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 02:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Senate Saves Mt Soledad&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Senate Saves Mt Soledad</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Dethanial</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dethanial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 01:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>camanintx will you tell us how many christians are buried in a jewish cemetery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>camanintx will you tell us how many christians are buried in a jewish cemetery.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Grass, Red State</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Grass, Red State</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt; Mt. Soledad 1 - ACLU 0&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong> Mt. Soledad 1 &#8211; ACLU 0</strong></p>
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