Muslim Revenge in Seattle
Posted on July 28, 2006
Cross-posted from Right on the Right:
One dead, at least, and apparently it’s because a radical was POed over Israel defending itself. The crazed Islamofascists (We are now getting word this is ‘Muslim Revenge‘) are now hitting the Jews here in the United States. More attacks WILL come if we come to the defense of Israel, but we NEED to defend Israel. War on the home front…
AT LEAST ONE KILLED DURING SHOOTING AT SEATTLE JEWISH FEDERATION
At least five people were shot – one fatally – this afternoon at the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle by a man a witness said was upset about “what was going on in Israel.”
I am watching this, covering it with Kender ON THE AIR, and we’ll bring you updates as they come. This is but the first little bit of ‘Muslim Revenge’ and mark my words, this is a TERRORIST ATTACK.
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From Seattle. One suspect in custody. Domestic terror nutcase.
Three Shot At Jewish Federation Building BREAKING NEWS Three people have been shot at the Jewish Federation Building in
downtown Seattle.
DETAILS: http://www.kirotv.com/tu/5hJ6M5gHW.html
LIVESTREAM: Scene Of Shooting
http://www.kirotv.com/news/9595216/detail.html?treets=sea&tml=sea_break&ts=T&tmi=sea_break_1_06430207282006#
Slideshow: Several People Shot In Downtown Seattle
http://www.kirotv.com/news/9595216/detail.html?treets=sea&tml=sea_break&ts=T&tmi=sea_break_1_06430207282006#
Video: Statement From Seattle Police On The Scene
http://www.kirotv.com/news/9595216/detail.html?treets=sea&tml=sea_break&ts=T&tmi=sea_break_1_06430207282006#
It’s a TERRORIST ATTACK! In CAPITAL LETTERS! We are ON THE AIR! Get UNDER YOUR BEDS! It’s MUSLIM REVENGE!! Hide your WOMEN AND CHILDREN!!!!
Look, has it occurred to anyone that there are people murdered in this country every day, for all , kinds of reasons? Some of the people who are killed are Christians, or Jews, or Muslims… and some of the people who do the killing are Christians, or Jews, or Muslims. And yet, the Republic goes on. The Republic will go on long after the investigation into this incident is closed, and the perpetrator is put in prison.
A murder is a tragedy, no matter what the surrounding circumstances. But it’s not the end of Life As We Know It… although it seems that you desperately want it to be.
Oh, by the way… Do you know what terrorist attack yesterday was the tenth anniversary of? And what the religious affiliation of the man responsible for that attack was?
1. How the contributors of this site write their stories are their business and no concern of yours.
2.“A murder is a tragedy, no matter what the surrounding circumstances. But it’s not the end of Life As We Know It…”
It is for the person who was killed.
3.“Do you know what terrorist attack yesterday was the tenth anniversary of?”
It was my birthday as well as the anniversary of the Atlanta bombing.
4.“And what the religious affiliation of the man responsible for that attack was?”
I think he was your basic “boogerhead,” like you.
No, Rudolph wasn’t Christian.
So, someone says they are a muslim, and attacks Jews, over something Israel is doing. We’re supposed to assume he’s just a lone nutcase?
What about the second time?
Or the third?
meatbrain said “And what the religious affiliation of the man responsible for that attack was?”
Well timmy boy was not a believer in any faith. Only just before he was given what he deserved did not ask for but did receive “While he was strapped to the gurney, prison officials said McVeigh received the Roman Catholic sacrament of the Anointment of the Sick, which is believed to forgive sins and prepare the sick for the passing over to eternal life”
His final statement gives proof that he did not believe in a Higher power. “McVeigh left a handwritten statement quoting “Invictus”, a 19th century poem by British poet William Ernest Henley. It ends with the lines “I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul.”
“Is there a form I need to fill out before I can comment on the hysterical tone of a post, lobo?”
It wouldn’t matter if there were, I wouldn’t approve it.
There wasn’t anything hysterical in his post. You just felt a need to mock him.
“What has Rudolph himself said about his religious beliefs?”
It doesn’t matter to me what he says about his religious beliefs. What matters is what he says about Christ and the evidence he gives for those beliefs.
Fred Phelps claims to be a Christian as well but you would be hard pressed to find evidence of it.
Now if he were a Republican rather than the Democrat he is, you would be accepting his claim without question.
Rudolph adhered to the beliefs of Christian Identity a radical sect who believe that white people are God’s chosen and all others are going to hell. They are “White Supremacists”.
“I suppose the assumption is made that because I’m in here I must be a ’sinner’ in need of salvation, and they would be glad to sell me a ticket to heaven, hawking this salvation like peanuts at a ballgame. I do appreciate their charity, but I could really do without the condescension. They have been so nice I would hate to break it to them that I really prefer Nietzsche to the Bible.”
Eric Rudolph — a man who quoted a Biblical passage on hypocrisy when he pleaded guilty — the choice of Nietzsche over the Gospel is a curious one. Friedrich Nietzsche, the German philosopher, once declared “God is dead.”
His mother once chose the words “anarchist” to describe her views but now believes in a limited government. Her Christian faith is more spiritual than religious, more about meditation than about prayer.
“Evidence for your claim, please, lobo?”
Google is free, look it up for yourself.
“It wouldn’t matter if there were, I wouldn’t approve it.”
Do we need your approval to comment, lobo? Jay told me mere days ago that you had given up monitoring his comments. Are you now doing that again?
“You just felt a need to mock him.”
Justin is eminently mockable.
“It doesn’t matter to me what he says about his religious beliefs.”
In other words, you prefer to leave the facts out of the discussion.
“Now if he were a Republican rather than the Democrat he is, you would be accepting his claim without question.”
You only further erode your credibility by pretending that your fantasies about what I’d say in some hypothetical situation are part of a rational discussion.
“Rudolph adhered to the beliefs of Christian Identity…”
Evidence, please?
“His mother once chose the words “anarchist” to describe her views…”
And we are discussing Eric Rudolph, not his mother.
“Google is free, look it up for yourself.”
The claims are yours, lobo — as is the responsibility for providing evidence for them. Somehow it is not surprising to see you run from that responsibility.
“Are you now doing that again?”
Nothing gets by you, does it meatbrain?
“In other words, you prefer to leave the facts out of the discussion.”
In other words, I don’t believe everything people say. Especially if they are killers, liars, terrorists and criminals.
“You only further erode your credibility…”
You really do think I give a flip what you think of my credibility, don’t you?
“hypothetical situation are part of a rational discussion.”
I have never once fooled myself by thinking it possible to have a rational discussion with you.
“Evidence, please?”
“Rudolph was raised in rural North Carolina by parents who were reportedly nuts. Rudolph was homeschooled, and his mother inculcated him with a hardcore survivalist ideology. He enlisted in the Army but got booted for smoking pot.
After the Army, Rudolph began living “off the grid,” dealing in cash and refusing to put his name on utility bills, bank accounts and the like.
In the rural U.S., survivalism and crazy go together like toast and jam. Rudolph allegedly took up the beliefs of Christian Identity, an extremist sect whose primary belief is that white people are God’s chosen people, and everyone else is doomed to an eternity in Hell. Christian Identity also preaches the evils of homosexuality, prostitution, abortion and general sexual unseemliness of all sorts.
Rudolph moved comfortably within white extremist circles, but it’s not clear if he had formal ties to any specific group or network. He didn’t take part in organized white power activities. He seems to have found only one outlet for his views — violence.
Rudolph is accused of bombing a park adjacent to the 1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta, using an massive and elaborate pipe bomb loaded with nails and screws for extra killing power, an M.O. that was repeated in most of the cases now connected to Rudolph.”
“And we are discussing Eric Rudolph, not his mother.”
“In what religious tradition was Rudolph raised? Are you claiming that his upbringing could not possibly have influenced his actions later in life?”
“Nothing gets by you, does it meatbrain?”
Answer the question, lobo… are you once again monitoring and moderating the comments on this website, less than two weeks after Jay Stephenson said you had quit? Yes or no?
“You really do think I give a flip what you think of my credibility, don’t you?”
I don’t think you understand that you damage your credibility when you advertise that you prefer to remain ignorant of relevant facts.
“I have never once fooled myself by thinking it possible to have a rational discussion with you.”
I see no evidence that you have tried to conduct a rational discussion with anyone.
“Rudolph was raised in rural North Carolina by parents who were reportedly nuts.”
Citation?
“Rudolph allegedly took up the beliefs of Christian Identity,…”
“Alleged” by whom? Is there evidence other than an allegation? Did you bother to find out?
Has it occurred to you that you just tacitly admitted that religious influences other than Muslim can inspire the commission of terrorist acts?
“In what religious tradition was Rudolph raised? Are you claiming that his upbringing could not possibly have influenced his actions later in life?”
And you still haven’t answered either question.
From wikipedia:
You decide.
Of course, this happened in Seattle, yet another GFW city. All the ‘nutcases’ seem to know that GFW cities are the ’safe’places for them to do attacks like this.
In other cities, the news story wopuld read something like “One Jew shot, suspect shot five times.”
What cracks me up is a turd named “meatbrain” trying to carry an intelligent discussion. What is even more incredibly hilarious is his entourage of hopeless morons who dedicate entire blogs to the smearing of Stop The ACLU, and, now my own site as well. (I consider it a victory, it only humilates you guys further.) Why any of these people think they have any credibility anywhere except with the 4 or 5 of them there are, is beyond me.
“I don’t think you understand that you damage your credibility when you advertise that you prefer to remain ignorant of relevant facts.”
To who? You? Or the people that read this blog every day and find it credible? Oh, that’s right, you are your little “lets piss off StopTheACLU” are right and everyone else in the world is wrong. Have fun in your little fantasy world meatbrain.
Mr. Apostle: For a devout Christian, you’re not a very nice dude. What would Jesus think of you calling someone a turd?
“You decide.”
It is really not that difficult is it MTR?
“Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, Alabama, which tracks extremist groups, said Rudolph was “definitely a Christian Identity believer and an adherent of Nord Davis.”
The Christian Identity movement is a militant racist and anti-Semitic organization that asserts that whites are God’s chosen people.”
cnn.com
“Rudolph was a follower of the white supremacist Christian Identity movement, but investigators have never ascribed a motive for the attacks to him.
A group calling itself the Army of God claimed responsibility for the Birmingham blast and the Atlanta bombings that followed the Centennial Olympic Park attack.”
cnn.com
“Federal investigators believe Rudolph has had a long association with the radical Christian Identity movement, which asserts that North European whites are the direct descendants of the lost tribes of Israel, God’s chosen people. Some investigators also think he may have written letters that claimed responsibility for the nightclub and abortion clinic bombings on behalf of the Army of God, a violent offshoot of Christian Identity.”
washingtonpost.com
“Eric Rudolph did have support of another kind — moral support, from the radical right that saw him as an Aryan hero, the many locals who strongly oppose abortion, and his own mother, who played a key role in introducing him to Christian Identity leaders in North Carolina and Missouri.”
SPLCenter
Rudolph himself denied being part of the CI movement:
“He denied any allegiance to the racist, anti-Semitic, anti-gay Christian Identity movement, saying he attended an Identity church for about six months in the early 1980s only because the father of a woman he was dating went there.”
Another statement:
“I am not now nor have I ever been an Identity believing Christian. I was born a Catholic, and with forgiveness I hope to die one. It is true that for one six month period in 1984 I did live near and attend a church that holds to the Identity doctrine. The purpose for my prolonged stay at this church was because I met a wonderful young lady whose father attended the church. We became engaged for that short time, but when the relationship ended, I left the church and I do not believe I have talked to an Identity believer since that period in the early 1980’s.
“While attending this church I never bought into the convoluted Identity argument of racial determinism.”
It’s all a matter of which people you want to believe. I don’t know if Rudolph’s telling the truth or not, and I really don’t care. He’s a dick either way.
MTR: Jesus would think nothing of it. He’s the same Son Of God that refers to Pharisees as “vipers.”
Meatbrain: Sure its possible for Christians to commit terrorist acts. Can you point any lately?
How recently an act was committed isn’t the point, of course. The fact remains that any religious belief system can be misused at any time to justify a terrorist act. No religion, including Islam, is unique in this regard — no matter how much the bigots of the radical right would like to pretend otherwise.
Meatbrain makes a valid point… acts of terror have been committed in the name of every religion.
I am a Catholic and condemn acts of terror in the name of Catholicism from Ireland to Rudolph.
However, I believe that Meatbrain also misses the greater idea here… there IS a cancer that is growing on Islam right now.
The cancer is causing a greater number of terrorist attacks and a greater acceptance of them in that religion.
Currently this cancer is only on the religion of Islam.
So, we are supposed to accept that the metaphor of “a cancer that is growing on Islam” is proof of something?
‘Scuse me whilst I laugh till milk comes out of my nose…
Ah poor Meatbrain… don’t you think that instead of mocking my comment you might attempt to find common ground with someone who agrees with part of what you said?
Such a shame… you perhaps could have won me over to your side and you missed that chance.
Now be a good little kid and go back to sipping that milk carefully.
“But of course, lobo will ignore what Rudolph himself said”
I’ve already pointed that out in #12.
“He is another proud practictioner of Invincible Ignorance.”
I do not know what a practictioner is, but I do know that if my ignorance is Invincible, you are an imbecile to continue to flail against it.
“because to acknowledge the facts would mean to admit that it is possible for Christians to carry out terrorist acts”
I’ve never claimed it is impossible for Christians to commit terrorist acts.
Our conversation is the result of your inability to differentiate between a true Christian and a pseudo-Christian and your inept attempt to insinuate that Rudolph was a true Christian.
Ah, perhaps the shooter wasn’t a Muslim after all!
Go here for the story:
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/08/jewish_federation_shooter_recently_baptized/