Comments on: ACLU and Westboro Hate Cult Challenge Missouri Protest Ban http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/07/22/aclu-and-westboro-hate-cult-challenge-missouri-protest-ban/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Sun, 22 Nov 2009 18:50:16 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: The Florida Masochist http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/07/22/aclu-and-westboro-hate-cult-challenge-missouri-protest-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-53778 The Florida Masochist Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:56:35 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/07/22/aclu-and-westboro-hate-cult-challenge-missouri-protest-ban/#comment-53778 <strong>Despicable but.......</strong> The ACLU is just coming to support anyone's first ammendment rights Who is to say what speech and assembly is right. Phelps is not creating a danger in what he does. Its not a matter of yelling fire in a crowded building. So he has a right to do w... Despicable but…….
The ACLU is just coming to support anyone’s first ammendment rights

Who is to say what speech and assembly is right. Phelps is not creating a danger in what he does. Its not a matter of yelling fire in a crowded building. So he has a right to do w…

]]> By: Margaret Romao Toigo http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/07/22/aclu-and-westboro-hate-cult-challenge-missouri-protest-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-53777 Margaret Romao Toigo Mon, 24 Jul 2006 19:31:26 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/07/22/aclu-and-westboro-hate-cult-challenge-missouri-protest-ban/#comment-53777 I have to agree with kerwin_brown about how limits placed upon the Westboro Baptists could backfire and be applied to pro-life and other groups. This could be one reason why the ACLU has taken this particular case. I also prefer the way the Patriot Guard exercises their First Amendment rights -- not to mention that they must be quite a stirring sight to behold. May God bless them and their mission. I suspect, however, that there is more to the ACLU's defense of Fred Phelps and his minions (may the Lord have mercy upon them) than simply defending free speech, for the ACLU is also a strong supporter of gay rights. Some may ask, if the ACLU is such a big protector and defender of gay rights, then why would they want to support a group that is so very hateful toward homosexuals? Well, believe this or not, people like Fred Phelps actually help to promote gay rights by causing mainstream folks who still oppose the recognition of some gay rights to want to distance themselves from such hateful and disgusting extremism. Whenever and wherever this dynamic occurs, those who wish to appear more reasonable and moderate than the radicals -- and who doesn't want to be seen as more reasonable and moderate than Fred Phelps and his ilk -- will actually soften their anti-gay rights rhetoric and maybe even make a few concessions, such as, declaring that they think anti-gay workplace discrimination is wrong and that homosexuals ought to be allowed to serve openly in our military. And a few may even concede to recognizing same-sex marriage, as long as it is called by some other name! Each time this happens, that old societal pendulum gets pushed, ever so gently, towards the full recognition of gay rights. I have to agree with kerwin_brown about how limits placed upon the Westboro Baptists could backfire and be applied to pro-life and other groups. This could be one reason why the ACLU has taken this particular case.

I also prefer the way the Patriot Guard exercises their First Amendment rights — not to mention that they must be quite a stirring sight to behold. May God bless them and their mission.

I suspect, however, that there is more to the ACLU’s defense of Fred Phelps and his minions (may the Lord have mercy upon them) than simply defending free speech, for the ACLU is also a strong supporter of gay rights.

Some may ask, if the ACLU is such a big protector and defender of gay rights, then why would they want to support a group that is so very hateful toward homosexuals?

Well, believe this or not, people like Fred Phelps actually help to promote gay rights by causing mainstream folks who still oppose the recognition of some gay rights to want to distance themselves from such hateful and disgusting extremism.

Whenever and wherever this dynamic occurs, those who wish to appear more reasonable and moderate than the radicals — and who doesn’t want to be seen as more reasonable and moderate than Fred Phelps and his ilk — will actually soften their anti-gay rights rhetoric and maybe even make a few concessions, such as, declaring that they think anti-gay workplace discrimination is wrong and that homosexuals ought to be allowed to serve openly in our military. And a few may even concede to recognizing same-sex marriage, as long as it is called by some other name!

Each time this happens, that old societal pendulum gets pushed, ever so gently, towards the full recognition of gay rights.

]]> By: kerwin_brown http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/07/22/aclu-and-westboro-hate-cult-challenge-missouri-protest-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-53776 kerwin_brown Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:05:51 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/07/22/aclu-and-westboro-hate-cult-challenge-missouri-protest-ban/#comment-53776 I still think putting limits on groups like the Westboro Baptist could backfire and be applied to pro life groups. From what I know the Patriot Guard and the like do a good job defending the sensibilities of the bereaved and show that their loved one's sacrifice is appreciated at the same time. I still think putting limits on groups like the Westboro Baptist could backfire and be applied to pro life groups. From what I know the Patriot Guard and the like do a good job defending the sensibilities of the bereaved and show that their loved one’s sacrifice is appreciated at the same time.

]]> By: RightWinged.com http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/07/22/aclu-and-westboro-hate-cult-challenge-missouri-protest-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-53775 RightWinged.com Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:18:20 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/07/22/aclu-and-westboro-hate-cult-challenge-missouri-protest-ban/#comment-53775 <strong>Liberal Compassion: Selling "Bush Lied, They Died" T-Shirts With Soldier's Names</strong> (h/t Drudge) I suppose the positive side of this is that the Oklahoma legislator did the right thing here, but it doesn't really seem like it matters because this rectum lives in Arizona and says he's going to keep selling... Liberal Compassion: Selling “Bush Lied, They Died” T-Shirts With Soldier’s Names
(h/t Drudge) I suppose the positive side of this is that the Oklahoma legislator did the right thing here, but it doesn’t really seem like it matters because this rectum lives in Arizona and says he’s going to keep selling…

]]> By: Adam's Blog http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/07/22/aclu-and-westboro-hate-cult-challenge-missouri-protest-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-53774 Adam's Blog Mon, 24 Jul 2006 04:17:50 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/07/22/aclu-and-westboro-hate-cult-challenge-missouri-protest-ban/#comment-53774 <strong>Why the ACLU Is Defending Fred Phelps</strong> The ACLU is defending Fred Phelps against laws that bar pickets at military funerals in Missouri where the Phelps clan would love to be out in force. Captain Ed is puzzled by the whole thing: Defenders of the ACLU will proclaim this as proof of thei... Why the ACLU Is Defending Fred Phelps
The ACLU is defending Fred Phelps against laws that bar pickets at military funerals in Missouri where the Phelps clan would love to be out in force. Captain Ed is puzzled by the whole thing:

Defenders of the ACLU will proclaim this as proof of thei…

]]> By: [Conservative Intelligence Report] http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/07/22/aclu-and-westboro-hate-cult-challenge-missouri-protest-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-53773 [Conservative Intelligence Report] Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:40:27 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/07/22/aclu-and-westboro-hate-cult-challenge-missouri-protest-ban/#comment-53773 <strong>NO REALLY, we support the troops!</strong> Thank God we have the ACLU to support such disgraceful people. What the hell is the deal with the ACLU? Let me see they sue for gay rights last week, this week they sue FOR gay-bashers. NO REALLY, we support the troops!
Thank God we have the ACLU to support such disgraceful people. What the hell is the deal with the ACLU? Let me see they sue for gay rights last week, this week they sue FOR gay-bashers.

]]> By: Country Keepers by Gary Petersen &#38;#187; Blog Archive &#38;#187; Stop the ACLU http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/07/22/aclu-and-westboro-hate-cult-challenge-missouri-protest-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-53772 Country Keepers by Gary Petersen &#38;#187; Blog Archive &#38;#187; Stop the ACLU Sun, 23 Jul 2006 22:38:28 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/07/22/aclu-and-westboro-hate-cult-challenge-missouri-protest-ban/#comment-53772 [...] I&#8217;ve often wondered what the American Civil Liberties Union was thinking because of some of the people and organizations they chose to defend. Never more than now.  This is from the Wichita Eagle via Stop the ACLU. A Kansas church group that routinely protests at military funerals across the country filed a suit in federal court Friday, claiming the Missouri law banning such pickets infringed on the members’ religious freedoms and right to free speech. [...] [...] I&#38;#8217;ve often wondered what the American Civil Liberties Union was thinking because of some of the people and organizations they chose to defend. Never more than now.  This is from the Wichita Eagle via Stop the ACLU. A Kansas church group that routinely protests at military funerals across the country filed a suit in federal court Friday, claiming the Missouri law banning such pickets infringed on the members’ religious freedoms and right to free speech. [...]

]]> By: Expose the Left &#38;#187; ACLU Defends Troop Hating Church http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/07/22/aclu-and-westboro-hate-cult-challenge-missouri-protest-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-53771 Expose the Left &#38;#187; ACLU Defends Troop Hating Church Sun, 23 Jul 2006 21:31:14 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/07/22/aclu-and-westboro-hate-cult-challenge-missouri-protest-ban/#comment-53771 [...] (h/t Stop the ACLU) [...] [...] (h/t Stop the ACLU) [...]

]]> By: justbarkingmad.com &#38;#187; Blog Archive &#38;#187; Stop the ACLU&#38;#8230;. http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/07/22/aclu-and-westboro-hate-cult-challenge-missouri-protest-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-53770 justbarkingmad.com &#38;#187; Blog Archive &#38;#187; Stop the ACLU&#38;#8230;. Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:00:05 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/07/22/aclu-and-westboro-hate-cult-challenge-missouri-protest-ban/#comment-53770 [...] Here&#8217;s a link to the same subject by Stop the ACLU. Maybe it&#8217;s time we got serious about disbanding the ACLU and sending its leadership to jail for sedition, RICO or whatever crime we, like the FBI did to Al Capone, can get them on. [...] [...] Here&#38;#8217;s a link to the same subject by Stop the ACLU. Maybe it&#38;#8217;s time we got serious about disbanding the ACLU and sending its leadership to jail for sedition, RICO or whatever crime we, like the FBI did to Al Capone, can get them on. [...]

]]> By: kerwin_brown http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/07/22/aclu-and-westboro-hate-cult-challenge-missouri-protest-ban/comment-page-1/#comment-53769 kerwin_brown Sun, 23 Jul 2006 18:20:42 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/07/22/aclu-and-westboro-hate-cult-challenge-missouri-protest-ban/#comment-53769 See! The ACLU does back Christians. :-) See! The ACLU does back Christians. :-)

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