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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Islamic indoctrination&#8217; taken to Supreme Court</title>
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	<description>Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer</description>
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		<title>By: gfactor</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/06/09/islamic-indoctrination-taken-to-supreme-court/comment-page-1/#comment-51753</link>
		<dc:creator>gfactor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You can not have government money saying they are false either as that is also respecting an establishment&quot;

	Well, it can&#039;t pick one over the other. You can teach kids that the earth is billions of years old and was formed out of the big bang No matter that greek mythology says some gods made it, or that christian mythology says one god made it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You can not have government money saying they are false either as that is also respecting an establishment&#8221;</p>
<p>	Well, it can&#8217;t pick one over the other. You can teach kids that the earth is billions of years old and was formed out of the big bang No matter that greek mythology says some gods made it, or that christian mythology says one god made it.</p>
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		<title>By: kerwin_brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>kerwin_brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 16:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gfactor,

	You can not have government money saying they are false either as that is also respecting an establishment.  The government should have no collective opinion of whether they are true or false.  That is what separation of church and state is all about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gfactor,</p>
<p>	You can not have government money saying they are false either as that is also respecting an establishment.  The government should have no collective opinion of whether they are true or false.  That is what separation of church and state is all about.</p>
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		<title>By: gfactor</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/06/09/islamic-indoctrination-taken-to-supreme-court/comment-page-1/#comment-51755</link>
		<dc:creator>gfactor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Now you are stating that all religions are false&quot;

	No. I&#039;m saying that you cant have government money saying that one is true. Thats up for someone else to pay for. Because its respecting an establishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Now you are stating that all religions are false&#8221;</p>
<p>	No. I&#8217;m saying that you cant have government money saying that one is true. Thats up for someone else to pay for. Because its respecting an establishment.</p>
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		<title>By: kerwin_brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>kerwin_brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Factor,

	“t violates it if they’re taught it as religious truth. There’s no problem with teaching kids about Islamic, Catholic, or Greek mythical doctrines. The problem is teaching them one as true.”

	Now you are stating that all religions are false.  I guess you believe that Atheism is the established religion of the United States.  I agree is was established in 1947 by a Supreme Court whose members were all appointed by Democrat politicians.  It probably had something to do with the love affair between Democrats and the Communist party who also supports atheism.  It does violate the non establishment of religion clause of the U.S. Constitution though,  Hopefully American will once more strive for religious and other freedoms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Factor,</p>
<p>	“t violates it if they’re taught it as religious truth. There’s no problem with teaching kids about Islamic, Catholic, or Greek mythical doctrines. The problem is teaching them one as true.”</p>
<p>	Now you are stating that all religions are false.  I guess you believe that Atheism is the established religion of the United States.  I agree is was established in 1947 by a Supreme Court whose members were all appointed by Democrat politicians.  It probably had something to do with the love affair between Democrats and the Communist party who also supports atheism.  It does violate the non establishment of religion clause of the U.S. Constitution though,  Hopefully American will once more strive for religious and other freedoms.</p>
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		<title>By: gfactor</title>
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		<dc:creator>gfactor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You have to use the same standard no matter which religion it is. &quot;

	I am. When Christian kids are putting on Christian passion plays, they&#039;re not pretending to be christian for educational purposes. They&#039;re actually being christian.

	When I was kid and we dressed up as characters from greek mythology, we weren&#039;t being taught what was religious truth. It was education.

	There&#039;s no problem with kids learning about the belief&#039;s and practices of the worlds religions, and there are lots of pedagogical tools to achieve that. The problem is when one is taught as true, or assumed as true, over the others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You have to use the same standard no matter which religion it is. &#8221;</p>
<p>	I am. When Christian kids are putting on Christian passion plays, they&#8217;re not pretending to be christian for educational purposes. They&#8217;re actually being christian.</p>
<p>	When I was kid and we dressed up as characters from greek mythology, we weren&#8217;t being taught what was religious truth. It was education.</p>
<p>	There&#8217;s no problem with kids learning about the belief&#8217;s and practices of the worlds religions, and there are lots of pedagogical tools to achieve that. The problem is when one is taught as true, or assumed as true, over the others.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gfactor, your argument doesn&#039;t hold. You have to use the same standard no matter which religion it is.  You are arguing just for the sake of disagreeing.  If there is any religion we should fear theocracy from it is Islam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gfactor, your argument doesn&#8217;t hold. You have to use the same standard no matter which religion it is.  You are arguing just for the sake of disagreeing.  If there is any religion we should fear theocracy from it is Islam.</p>
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		<title>By: gfactor</title>
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		<dc:creator>gfactor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Wrong.&quot;

	To me, part of establishing is organizing. Think of a movie or a broadway play. When someone puts on a movie or a play, there is more than the actors saying the lines. You know that right? There is a studio, an organizer, etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>	To me, part of establishing is organizing. Think of a movie or a broadway play. When someone puts on a movie or a play, there is more than the actors saying the lines. You know that right? There is a studio, an organizer, etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: loboinok</title>
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		<dc:creator>loboinok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Or to organize it.&quot;

	Wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Or to organize it.&#8221;</p>
<p>	Wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: gfactor</title>
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		<dc:creator>gfactor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I don’t believe in Santa and I don’t worship Santa, I was role-playing.&quot;

	But you were really celebrating Christmas, not pretending to.

	&quot;It would be unconstitutional were the school to do it.&quot;

	Or to organize it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t believe in Santa and I don’t worship Santa, I was role-playing.&#8221;</p>
<p>	But you were really celebrating Christmas, not pretending to.</p>
<p>	&#8220;It would be unconstitutional were the school to do it.&#8221;</p>
<p>	Or to organize it.</p>
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		<title>By: loboinok</title>
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		<dc:creator>loboinok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 02:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think they wouldn’t take kindly to the idea that they don’t really believe in christianity and are just pretending.&quot;

	Now you are arguing for the sake of arguing.
	I framed it the same way you did and you go from role-playing to worshipping.

	I dressed up as &quot;Santa&quot; for my kids when they were children. I don&#039;t believe in Santa and I don&#039;t worship Santa, I was role-playing.

	If I were to play the part of Jesus in a passion play I would still be role-playing even though I believe in and worship Jesus.

	&quot;Or respect the establishment of. Its not that complicated.&quot;

	One wouldn&#039;t think so, but you and many others apparently believe that a child singing &quot;Silent Night&quot; or role-playing is somehow establishing a religion.

	Even if that were the case, it would be constitutional.

	It would be unconstitutional were the school to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think they wouldn’t take kindly to the idea that they don’t really believe in christianity and are just pretending.&#8221;</p>
<p>	Now you are arguing for the sake of arguing.<br />
	I framed it the same way you did and you go from role-playing to worshipping.</p>
<p>	I dressed up as &#8220;Santa&#8221; for my kids when they were children. I don&#8217;t believe in Santa and I don&#8217;t worship Santa, I was role-playing.</p>
<p>	If I were to play the part of Jesus in a passion play I would still be role-playing even though I believe in and worship Jesus.</p>
<p>	&#8220;Or respect the establishment of. Its not that complicated.&#8221;</p>
<p>	One wouldn&#8217;t think so, but you and many others apparently believe that a child singing &#8220;Silent Night&#8221; or role-playing is somehow establishing a religion.</p>
<p>	Even if that were the case, it would be constitutional.</p>
<p>	It would be unconstitutional were the school to do it.</p>
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