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	<title>Comments on: Bush To Back Federal Marraige Amendment</title>
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		<title>By: kerwin_brown</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/06/05/bush-to-back-federal-marraige-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-51543</link>
		<dc:creator>kerwin_brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maven,

	Adult gay people should be allowed to form legally recognized unions with other adult gay people.

	Why.  You have failed to give a logical reason besides you feel that it is right.  I showed when the act of homosexuality is a threat to the general welfare.  You disregarded the general welfare which means you do not care about anything but your own opinions.  Now show why homosexuality is not a risk to the welfare of human beings. Show me where HIV/Aids among those who practice homosexuality is decreasing.  Show me you care about other human beings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maven,</p>
<p>	Adult gay people should be allowed to form legally recognized unions with other adult gay people.</p>
<p>	Why.  You have failed to give a logical reason besides you feel that it is right.  I showed when the act of homosexuality is a threat to the general welfare.  You disregarded the general welfare which means you do not care about anything but your own opinions.  Now show why homosexuality is not a risk to the welfare of human beings. Show me where HIV/Aids among those who practice homosexuality is decreasing.  Show me you care about other human beings.</p>
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		<title>By: Church and State</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/06/05/bush-to-back-federal-marraige-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-51535</link>
		<dc:creator>Church and State</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 20:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Why Do We Need The Federal Marriage Amendment&lt;/strong&gt;
	It&#039;s the second sentence of the FMA that drives me to support the FMA, otherwise, I&#039;d be open to leaving it to the states. I am not in favor of casting judgment on homosexuals, nor do I wish they would vanish, but I cannot support public servants tha...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Why Do We Need The Federal Marriage Amendment</strong><br />
	It&#8217;s the second sentence of the FMA that drives me to support the FMA, otherwise, I&#8217;d be open to leaving it to the states. I am not in favor of casting judgment on homosexuals, nor do I wish they would vanish, but I cannot support public servants tha&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Maven</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/06/05/bush-to-back-federal-marraige-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-51534</link>
		<dc:creator>Maven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kerwin:

	Adult gay people should be allowed to form legally recognized unions with other adult gay people.

	Underage children cannot give consent to marry, just as they cannot drive or vote or drink beer. We have age-of-consent laws because the brains of minors are not fully developed and we can thus not count on their word as true consent. So it is not okay for children to marry adults. It *is* okay for two adults to marry if they want to even if the difference between their ages is great (a 50-year-old and a 25-year-old have every right to get hitched even though a 40-year-old and a 15-year old do not).

	Also, be advised that beginning a sentence &quot;I know I&#039;m misinterpreting your comment, but ...&quot; is an excellent way to get people to stop listening to you. It&#039;s like saying, &quot;Instead of responding to what you actually said, I&#039;m going to respond to something I wish you had said.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kerwin:</p>
<p>	Adult gay people should be allowed to form legally recognized unions with other adult gay people.</p>
<p>	Underage children cannot give consent to marry, just as they cannot drive or vote or drink beer. We have age-of-consent laws because the brains of minors are not fully developed and we can thus not count on their word as true consent. So it is not okay for children to marry adults. It *is* okay for two adults to marry if they want to even if the difference between their ages is great (a 50-year-old and a 25-year-old have every right to get hitched even though a 40-year-old and a 15-year old do not).</p>
<p>	Also, be advised that beginning a sentence &#8220;I know I&#8217;m misinterpreting your comment, but &#8230;&#8221; is an excellent way to get people to stop listening to you. It&#8217;s like saying, &#8220;Instead of responding to what you actually said, I&#8217;m going to respond to something I wish you had said.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: kerwin_brown</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/06/05/bush-to-back-federal-marraige-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-51533</link>
		<dc:creator>kerwin_brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beaming Visionary,

	“Let’s assume you’re right, just to get all crazy ‘n’ stuff. Do you think people CHOOSE these external factors? Glad I decided to keep dad close when I was a month old!”

	No I do not believe we significantly control out environmental factors when we are children.  I do believe that we can overcome the negative influences of our environments and even our heritage.  I, by the grace of God,  have learned to control my temper to a large degree.

	I know homosexuals who had children before and after they adopted the homosexual lifestyle.  I know individuals who practice sexual abstinence.   Both groups chose that action no matter what the environmental or hereditary involved were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beaming Visionary,</p>
<p>	“Let’s assume you’re right, just to get all crazy ‘n’ stuff. Do you think people CHOOSE these external factors? Glad I decided to keep dad close when I was a month old!”</p>
<p>	No I do not believe we significantly control out environmental factors when we are children.  I do believe that we can overcome the negative influences of our environments and even our heritage.  I, by the grace of God,  have learned to control my temper to a large degree.</p>
<p>	I know homosexuals who had children before and after they adopted the homosexual lifestyle.  I know individuals who practice sexual abstinence.   Both groups chose that action no matter what the environmental or hereditary involved were.</p>
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		<title>By: kerwin_brown</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/06/05/bush-to-back-federal-marraige-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-51544</link>
		<dc:creator>kerwin_brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maven,

	“Like I said, I am against abusive relationships of all kinds. Also, you can’t communicate with a dog about its desire or lack thereof to be married to a person. You just can’t.”

	Homosexuality is an abusive relationship.  That is why HIV/AIDS is so common.  50% of those with the disease are gay despite statistics that show they make up less than 5% of the population.  They are also subject disportionately to other diseases.  This also means more of your tax dollars are going to pay for the results their self destructive behavior.

	“Religions can define marriage however they’d like, but in a free society, if ninety percent of the population has the right to enjoy a legally recognized union with someone they love, the other ten percent is also entitled that right. “

	So marriage to an underage child is alright as long as he/she gives consent.  Are you a member of NAMBLA or the ACLU?   I realize I am misinterpreting your comment but I wanted to show you it is absurd.  In a democracy/republic the majority rules or they are oppressed by the minority.  That is why the United States is not a free society.

	“Gay people have consensual relationships with other adults.”

	Self destructive and other risky behavior is a crime against human rights.  Consent has nothing to do with it.  In this case homosexual behavior is a health risk to the general population.  According to Roe v. Wade the government has the right to violate a person’s right to “privacy” in order to protect their personal health as well as the general welfare of the populace at large as in the case of mandatory vaccinations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maven,</p>
<p>	“Like I said, I am against abusive relationships of all kinds. Also, you can’t communicate with a dog about its desire or lack thereof to be married to a person. You just can’t.”</p>
<p>	Homosexuality is an abusive relationship.  That is why HIV/AIDS is so common.  50% of those with the disease are gay despite statistics that show they make up less than 5% of the population.  They are also subject disportionately to other diseases.  This also means more of your tax dollars are going to pay for the results their self destructive behavior.</p>
<p>	“Religions can define marriage however they’d like, but in a free society, if ninety percent of the population has the right to enjoy a legally recognized union with someone they love, the other ten percent is also entitled that right. “</p>
<p>	So marriage to an underage child is alright as long as he/she gives consent.  Are you a member of NAMBLA or the ACLU?   I realize I am misinterpreting your comment but I wanted to show you it is absurd.  In a democracy/republic the majority rules or they are oppressed by the minority.  That is why the United States is not a free society.</p>
<p>	“Gay people have consensual relationships with other adults.”</p>
<p>	Self destructive and other risky behavior is a crime against human rights.  Consent has nothing to do with it.  In this case homosexual behavior is a health risk to the general population.  According to Roe v. Wade the government has the right to violate a person’s right to “privacy” in order to protect their personal health as well as the general welfare of the populace at large as in the case of mandatory vaccinations.</p>
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		<title>By: Conservative Culture</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/06/05/bush-to-back-federal-marraige-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-51545</link>
		<dc:creator>Conservative Culture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Why Same Sex Marriage Will Pass&lt;/strong&gt;
		The founders never choose a &#38;#8216;national&#38;#8217; church and with good reason. Organized religion has not always had the interests of God at heart. Yet the founders knew the importance of at least not flaunting rebellion in the face of their Creator ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Why Same Sex Marriage Will Pass</strong><br />
		The founders never choose a &#38;#38;#8216;national&#38;#38;#8217; church and with good reason. Organized religion has not always had the interests of God at heart. Yet the founders knew the importance of at least not flaunting rebellion in the face of their Creator &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Cranky Insomniac</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/06/05/bush-to-back-federal-marraige-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-51546</link>
		<dc:creator>The Cranky Insomniac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 04:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;My Big Fat Gay Wedding Post&lt;/strong&gt;
	And once again, I thank God that we&#039;ve won the war on terror and that our politicians have the time to concentrate on issues that are clearly critical to the nation&#039;s security. Because nothing says &quot;I deserve your vote for re-election&quot; like playing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>My Big Fat Gay Wedding Post</strong><br />
	And once again, I thank God that we&#8217;ve won the war on terror and that our politicians have the time to concentrate on issues that are clearly critical to the nation&#8217;s security. Because nothing says &#8220;I deserve your vote for re-election&#8221; like playing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CaptainRational</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/06/05/bush-to-back-federal-marraige-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-51547</link>
		<dc:creator>CaptainRational</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;QED&quot; is an acronym for the Latin phrase &quot;quod erat demonstrandum,&quot; which, roughly translated, means &quot;I win.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;QED&#8221; is an acronym for the Latin phrase &#8220;quod erat demonstrandum,&#8221; which, roughly translated, means &#8220;I win.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Maven</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/06/05/bush-to-back-federal-marraige-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-51548</link>
		<dc:creator>Maven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kerwin:

	Pedophiles attack children. Murderers kill people.

	Gay people have consensual relationships with other adults.

	That you would equate these behaviors proves your malevolence. QED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kerwin:</p>
<p>	Pedophiles attack children. Murderers kill people.</p>
<p>	Gay people have consensual relationships with other adults.</p>
<p>	That you would equate these behaviors proves your malevolence. QED.</p>
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		<title>By: kerwin_brown</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/06/05/bush-to-back-federal-marraige-amendment/comment-page-1/#comment-51549</link>
		<dc:creator>kerwin_brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jun 2006 02:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CR,

	The APA contradicts itself because the say other sexual preferences like pedophilia are choices.   When the finally act like they know what they are talking about then I will believe them.  So far they do not impress me.

	The AMA does not have the expertise to tell what is a choice and what is not a choice. The APA has more expertise though it is less stable.

	Both the AMA and the APA would be better regarded if they stayed out of politics.  They don’t and so are untrustworthy.

	Studies have been done using identical twins and  both twins were not always homosexual.  Gay gene disproved.  You may have a mixture of genes and environment factors which produces gays.  Gays tend to have distant father figures and some other common environmental factors.  My guess it that homosexuality like alcoholism is just another form of addiction.  I believe alcoholics have trouble practicing abstinence also.

	Linking discrimination to homosexuality is like linking discrimination to murder perhaps true but not necessary a bad thing.  You need to prove that being discriminatory against homosexuals is malevolent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CR,</p>
<p>	The APA contradicts itself because the say other sexual preferences like pedophilia are choices.   When the finally act like they know what they are talking about then I will believe them.  So far they do not impress me.</p>
<p>	The AMA does not have the expertise to tell what is a choice and what is not a choice. The APA has more expertise though it is less stable.</p>
<p>	Both the AMA and the APA would be better regarded if they stayed out of politics.  They don’t and so are untrustworthy.</p>
<p>	Studies have been done using identical twins and  both twins were not always homosexual.  Gay gene disproved.  You may have a mixture of genes and environment factors which produces gays.  Gays tend to have distant father figures and some other common environmental factors.  My guess it that homosexuality like alcoholism is just another form of addiction.  I believe alcoholics have trouble practicing abstinence also.</p>
<p>	Linking discrimination to homosexuality is like linking discrimination to murder perhaps true but not necessary a bad thing.  You need to prove that being discriminatory against homosexuals is malevolent.</p>
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