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	<title>Comments on: Muslim Student, ACLU Fight Graduation Prayer</title>
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	<description>Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer</description>
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		<title>By: The Amboy Times</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/05/20/muslim-student-aclu-fight-graduation-prayer/comment-page-1/#comment-50859</link>
		<dc:creator>The Amboy Times</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 02:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The List of Things That Offend Muslims&lt;/strong&gt;

This list is a work in progress. I welcome suggestions. Anyone who has more items to add to the list, post them in the comments. The intent of the list is to illustrate the futility of the multicultural approach to</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The List of Things That Offend Muslims</strong></p>
<p>This list is a work in progress. I welcome suggestions. Anyone who has more items to add to the list, post them in the comments. The intent of the list is to illustrate the futility of the multicultural approach to</p>
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		<title>By: msimon</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/05/20/muslim-student-aclu-fight-graduation-prayer/comment-page-1/#comment-50858</link>
		<dc:creator>msimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 03:54:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want Christian (or any other kind) of prayers at graduation go to a religious school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want Christian (or any other kind) of prayers at graduation go to a religious school.</p>
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		<title>By: msimon</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/05/20/muslim-student-aclu-fight-graduation-prayer/comment-page-1/#comment-50857</link>
		<dc:creator>msimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 03:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m Jewish and always found Christian prayers in school hateful.

	Of course if Christians want to be reviled they are doing an excellent job. I had a rabid distaste for Christians for decades afterwards. Now I merely dislike their public religiosity.

	I thought Jesus&#039; idea of praying in private rather than making a public show of it was a good idea. Well no need to pay attention to that stupid crap. That Jesus was an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m Jewish and always found Christian prayers in school hateful.</p>
<p>	Of course if Christians want to be reviled they are doing an excellent job. I had a rabid distaste for Christians for decades afterwards. Now I merely dislike their public religiosity.</p>
<p>	I thought Jesus&#8217; idea of praying in private rather than making a public show of it was a good idea. Well no need to pay attention to that stupid crap. That Jesus was an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: ignorance isnt bliss</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/05/20/muslim-student-aclu-fight-graduation-prayer/comment-page-1/#comment-50856</link>
		<dc:creator>ignorance isnt bliss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 May 2006 03:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay--your obviously ignorant and uneducated.

	Let reason, logic, and education have its place in

	debate, for raging emotions are of miniscule value.

	Arshiya is exercising a constitutional right granted

	to every American (Establishment Clause--1st Amendment)

	which dates back to the late 18th century. Thus this idea,

	of Government and religion as separated entities is not a new,

	radical, or even Muslim issue.

	Furthermore, if Arshiya felt as though she was the victim of such

	intrusions, a judge is to determine if a violation of the 1st amendment

	has happened. The test the Judge uses is called the &quot;Lemon Test&quot; (Lemon

	v Kurtzman 1971), which classifies a violation when the action violates

	any of the three of the following prongs:

	1. The government&#039;s action must have a legitimate secular purpose;

	2. The government&#039;s action must not have the primary effect of either

	advancing or inhibiting religion; and

	3. The government&#039;s action must not result in an &quot;excessive

	entanglement&quot; of the government and religion.

	It is obvious after observation of the entire proceeding at Shelby

	County High school that there were indeed multiple violations--two for

	sure, and possibly even three. Thus, it is ludicrous to continue with

	illegitimate claims and allegations.

	In closing, it is sad that in this day and age, emotions and feelings of

	hate and anger are allowed to fill the void left by an absence of

	intelligence and reason. Recommendation--educate yourself, and become

	more tolerant of other communities and cultures; for they were the

	foundation of our country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay&#8211;your obviously ignorant and uneducated.</p>
<p>	Let reason, logic, and education have its place in</p>
<p>	debate, for raging emotions are of miniscule value.</p>
<p>	Arshiya is exercising a constitutional right granted</p>
<p>	to every American (Establishment Clause&#8211;1st Amendment)</p>
<p>	which dates back to the late 18th century. Thus this idea,</p>
<p>	of Government and religion as separated entities is not a new,</p>
<p>	radical, or even Muslim issue.</p>
<p>	Furthermore, if Arshiya felt as though she was the victim of such</p>
<p>	intrusions, a judge is to determine if a violation of the 1st amendment</p>
<p>	has happened. The test the Judge uses is called the &#8220;Lemon Test&#8221; (Lemon</p>
<p>	v Kurtzman 1971), which classifies a violation when the action violates</p>
<p>	any of the three of the following prongs:</p>
<p>	1. The government&#8217;s action must have a legitimate secular purpose;</p>
<p>	2. The government&#8217;s action must not have the primary effect of either</p>
<p>	advancing or inhibiting religion; and</p>
<p>	3. The government&#8217;s action must not result in an &#8220;excessive</p>
<p>	entanglement&#8221; of the government and religion.</p>
<p>	It is obvious after observation of the entire proceeding at Shelby</p>
<p>	County High school that there were indeed multiple violations&#8211;two for</p>
<p>	sure, and possibly even three. Thus, it is ludicrous to continue with</p>
<p>	illegitimate claims and allegations.</p>
<p>	In closing, it is sad that in this day and age, emotions and feelings of</p>
<p>	hate and anger are allowed to fill the void left by an absence of</p>
<p>	intelligence and reason. Recommendation&#8211;educate yourself, and become</p>
<p>	more tolerant of other communities and cultures; for they were the</p>
<p>	foundation of our country.</p>
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		<title>By: kerwin_brown</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/05/20/muslim-student-aclu-fight-graduation-prayer/comment-page-1/#comment-50845</link>
		<dc:creator>kerwin_brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 01:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree religious intolerance does not justify religious intolerance.  That is a no brainer.  The sad thing is that a federal judge was unable to figure out that simple fact and instead made it government back religious intolerance.  The ACLU is connected to the UN which has the UU as its established religion so their biasness is suspected right away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree religious intolerance does not justify religious intolerance.  That is a no brainer.  The sad thing is that a federal judge was unable to figure out that simple fact and instead made it government back religious intolerance.  The ACLU is connected to the UN which has the UU as its established religion so their biasness is suspected right away.</p>
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		<title>By: kender</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/05/20/muslim-student-aclu-fight-graduation-prayer/comment-page-1/#comment-50851</link>
		<dc:creator>kender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 19:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Brain, let&#039;s keep discussion of a system that helps people form morals out of the classroom, but make sure to include the nobility of being gay, because AIDS isn&#039;t scary at all.

	(and in a rare departure: asshat)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Brain, let&#8217;s keep discussion of a system that helps people form morals out of the classroom, but make sure to include the nobility of being gay, because AIDS isn&#8217;t scary at all.</p>
<p>	(and in a rare departure: asshat)</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 19:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The valid link rule is only on posts written by Gribbit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The valid link rule is only on posts written by Gribbit.</p>
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		<title>By: The one with a bråin</title>
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		<dc:creator>The one with a bråin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 19:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Muslim&quot; most likely isn&#039;t. Regardless, because he or she didn&#039;t provide a valid link to a personal blog, his or her post should be deleted, or, at the vary least, you should issue a warning.

	&quot;Apparently you have forgotten about Eklund vs. Byron Union School District.&quot;

	No I haven&#039;t. That was a dumb move on the school&#039;s part and never should have occurred. Nothing based on imaginary beings, especially of the nasty, violent sort adhered to by Christians and Muslims, should be introduced into public-school classrooms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Muslim&#8221; most likely isn&#8217;t. Regardless, because he or she didn&#8217;t provide a valid link to a personal blog, his or her post should be deleted, or, at the vary least, you should issue a warning.</p>
<p>	&#8220;Apparently you have forgotten about Eklund vs. Byron Union School District.&#8221;</p>
<p>	No I haven&#8217;t. That was a dumb move on the school&#8217;s part and never should have occurred. Nothing based on imaginary beings, especially of the nasty, violent sort adhered to by Christians and Muslims, should be introduced into public-school classrooms.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 18:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Muslim.  I do appreciate your input.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Muslim.  I do appreciate your input.</p>
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		<title>By: kender</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/05/20/muslim-student-aclu-fight-graduation-prayer/comment-page-1/#comment-50849</link>
		<dc:creator>kender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 May 2006 18:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, muslim.  That could be taken both ways.

	On the surface, and in agreemnet with this site&#039;s stance, not agreeing with the aclu is a good thing.

	On the other hand we have quite an adorable dichotomy here.

	If most muslims weren&#039;t hypocrits they would not support the aclu, which purports to fight for our rights, so are you saying that the muslims wouldn&#039;t support rights? Or do you recognize that the aclu&#039;s stances don&#039;t support what is best for this country, and most muslims would?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, muslim.  That could be taken both ways.</p>
<p>	On the surface, and in agreemnet with this site&#8217;s stance, not agreeing with the aclu is a good thing.</p>
<p>	On the other hand we have quite an adorable dichotomy here.</p>
<p>	If most muslims weren&#8217;t hypocrits they would not support the aclu, which purports to fight for our rights, so are you saying that the muslims wouldn&#8217;t support rights? Or do you recognize that the aclu&#8217;s stances don&#8217;t support what is best for this country, and most muslims would?</p>
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