Comments on: Scalia Gone Too Far http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/05/19/scalia-gone-too-far/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:24:34 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: msimon http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/05/19/scalia-gone-too-far/comment-page-1/#comment-50833 msimon Tue, 23 May 2006 17:28:29 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/05/19/scalia-gone-too-far/#comment-50833 Interesting article on where it all started to go bad. <a href="http://www.reason.com/0605/cr.dr.when.shtml" rel="nofollow">The Progressive Era</a>. Interesting article on where it all started to go bad.

The Progressive Era.

]]> By: msimon http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/05/19/scalia-gone-too-far/comment-page-1/#comment-50832 msimon Tue, 23 May 2006 13:47:51 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/05/19/scalia-gone-too-far/#comment-50832 The ADF etc. need better press. In a sense my ignorance is due to their lack. For instance why was it the ACLU that defened Rush? And if others did as well why didn't they flood the zone? And if there really is a right wing ACLU (or several) why isn't even one standing for medical liberty? Or maybe I haven't heard about it. Why can you get all kinds of drugs in Mexico without a Drs. prescription but not in the land of the free? Take Tagamet. Before it went off patent I needed a $40 doctors visit to get it. Now it is over the counter. Your medical cartel in action. Before the FDA changed its rules, drugs only needed to be tested for safety. Cost - a few million. Now they need to be tested for efficasy. Cost - 100s of millions. Only established companies can afford this new regime (which is now a few decades old). Your medical cartel in action. I'd love to see a medical liberty organization. Even a lefty one. Ever hear of such a thing? Who stands against the DEA progrom against pain doctors? When did the DEA get a practice of medicine portfolio? BTW I'm willing to engage. * The ADF etc. need better press. In a sense my ignorance is due to their lack.

For instance why was it the ACLU that defened Rush? And if others did as well why didn’t they flood the zone?

And if there really is a right wing ACLU (or several) why isn’t even one standing for medical liberty? Or maybe I haven’t heard about it.

Why can you get all kinds of drugs in Mexico without a Drs. prescription but not in the land of the free? Take Tagamet. Before it went off patent I needed a $40 doctors visit to get it. Now it is over the counter. Your medical cartel in action.

Before the FDA changed its rules, drugs only needed to be tested for safety. Cost – a few million. Now they need to be tested for efficasy. Cost – 100s of millions. Only established companies can afford this new regime (which is now a few decades old). Your medical cartel in action.

I’d love to see a medical liberty organization. Even a lefty one. Ever hear of such a thing?

Who stands against the DEA progrom against pain doctors? When did the DEA get a practice of medicine portfolio?

BTW I’m willing to engage.

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]]> By: Jay http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/05/19/scalia-gone-too-far/comment-page-1/#comment-50831 Jay Tue, 23 May 2006 11:04:23 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/05/19/scalia-gone-too-far/#comment-50831 I was going to engage you in conversation before you started answering your own questions msimson. Answering your own questions is a sure sign of preconcieved notions and a made up mind. I would like to point past your ignorance to some of the many organizations that protect our liberties that do lean to the right. ADF, ACLJ, Thomas More Law Center, Liberty Counsel, and Civil Rights Union. I was going to engage you in conversation before you started answering your own questions msimson. Answering your own questions is a sure sign of preconcieved notions and a made up mind. I would like to point past your ignorance to some of the many organizations that protect our liberties that do lean to the right. ADF, ACLJ, Thomas More Law Center, Liberty Counsel, and Civil Rights Union.

]]> By: msimon http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/05/19/scalia-gone-too-far/comment-page-1/#comment-50830 msimon Tue, 23 May 2006 05:59:53 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/05/19/scalia-gone-too-far/#comment-50830 Surprisingly, or not, the ACLU considers drug prohibition a usurpation of State powers. Which it is. BTW why isn't there a right wing ACLU? Aren't our liberties important to the right? Of course not, if it interferes with programs the right wants. Which makes the right no more interested in Constitutional government than the left. The only difference is the agenda. I'll believe the right is interested in Constitutional government when they start a campaign against the FDA and the Controlled Substance Act. I expect to see such a move when hell freezes over. If the FDA was advisrory rather than regulatory I would have no problem with it. Surprisingly, or not, the ACLU considers drug prohibition a usurpation of State powers. Which it is.

BTW why isn’t there a right wing ACLU? Aren’t our liberties important to the right?

Of course not, if it interferes with programs the right wants. Which makes the right no more interested in Constitutional government than the left. The only difference is the agenda.

I’ll believe the right is interested in Constitutional government when they start a campaign against the FDA and the Controlled Substance Act. I expect to see such a move when hell freezes over.

If the FDA was advisrory rather than regulatory I would have no problem with it.

]]> By: msimon http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/05/19/scalia-gone-too-far/comment-page-1/#comment-50829 msimon Tue, 23 May 2006 05:45:06 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/05/19/scalia-gone-too-far/#comment-50829 The problem is that none of the branches of government are following the Constitution. McCain-Feingold ring a bell? Bush says it was unConstitutional and signed it. If no one is following their oaths of office, fixing the judge problem is the least of your worries. ============================== Or take the medical cartel supported by the FDA. Where did the Constitution give the Feds that power, which before the FDA was a State function. i.e. the problem didn't start with FDR. We needed a Constitutional Amdmt. to prohibit alcohol. So where is the drug prohibition amdmt.? Now, admitedly drug prohibition is popular. Does popularity give the Feds the right to violate their limited powers? As I said the problem goes way beyond judges. BTW a signer of the Declaration, Dr. Benjamin Rush, predicted <a href="http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2004/09/addiction-or-self-medication.html" rel="nofollow">the cartelization of medicine</a> if medical liberty was not an explicit part of the Constitution. The problem is that none of the branches of government are following the Constitution.

McCain-Feingold ring a bell?

Bush says it was unConstitutional and signed it.

If no one is following their oaths of office, fixing the judge problem is the least of your worries.

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Or take the medical cartel supported by the FDA. Where did the Constitution give the Feds that power, which before the FDA was a State function. i.e. the problem didn’t start with FDR.

We needed a Constitutional Amdmt. to prohibit alcohol. So where is the drug prohibition amdmt.? Now, admitedly drug prohibition is popular. Does popularity give the Feds the right to violate their limited powers?

As I said the problem goes way beyond judges.

BTW a signer of the Declaration, Dr. Benjamin Rush, predicted the cartelization of medicine if medical liberty was not an explicit part of the Constitution.

]]> By: msimon http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/05/19/scalia-gone-too-far/comment-page-1/#comment-50828 msimon Tue, 23 May 2006 05:19:21 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/05/19/scalia-gone-too-far/#comment-50828 Look at the Founding Document. The Declaration. It says that the opinions of mankind ought to be taken into consideration. Look at the Founding Document. The Declaration.

It says that the opinions of mankind ought to be taken into consideration.

]]> By: gfactor http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/05/19/scalia-gone-too-far/comment-page-1/#comment-50827 gfactor Tue, 23 May 2006 05:17:29 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/05/19/scalia-gone-too-far/#comment-50827 "Justice Scalia’s comments are trekking dangerously close to violating the separation of powers. " you've got this kind of backwards. “Justice Scalia’s comments are trekking dangerously close to violating the separation of powers. ”

you’ve got this kind of backwards.

]]> By: Jay http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/05/19/scalia-gone-too-far/comment-page-1/#comment-50819 Jay Sat, 20 May 2006 19:41:06 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/05/19/scalia-gone-too-far/#comment-50819 Thank you Lobo, I think that pretty much wins the debate. Thank you Lobo, I think that pretty much wins the debate.

]]> By: loboinok http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/05/19/scalia-gone-too-far/comment-page-1/#comment-50820 loboinok Sat, 20 May 2006 19:36:03 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/05/19/scalia-gone-too-far/#comment-50820 "...the role of Congress is to pass laws, not to tell the Court how to interpret them." Read Article III, sections I and II and Article VI. the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and <strong>under such regulations as the Congress shall make</strong>. “…the role of Congress is to pass laws, not to tell the Court how to interpret them.”

Read Article III, sections I and II and Article VI.

the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.

]]> By: Jay http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/05/19/scalia-gone-too-far/comment-page-1/#comment-50826 Jay Sat, 20 May 2006 17:18:15 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/05/19/scalia-gone-too-far/#comment-50826 I think we are all in agreement that foreign law should be left out of the courts. It seems the others disagree on the limits of the other government branches to make that happen. I agree with you Gribbit. The use of foreign law is quite dangerous, and Scalia's influence has not put a stop to it alone. One senator said it well, Scalia needs their help making this happen whether he wants it or not. If, as the other commintators seem to think...and Justice Scalia seem to think...that acting on this by the legislative branch is beyond their limits...then I don't think Congress would even be attempting it. I wonder if Congress were to make it a law, if the Court would have the power to shoot it down as unconstitutional? That would be sad and ironic. Something needs to be done to limit the runaway power of the judicial branch. I ask, if Congress can't do that, then who the hell can? I think we are all in agreement that foreign law should be left out of the courts. It seems the others disagree on the limits of the other government branches to make that happen. I agree with you Gribbit. The use of foreign law is quite dangerous, and Scalia’s influence has not put a stop to it alone. One senator said it well, Scalia needs their help making this happen whether he wants it or not.

If, as the other commintators seem to think…and Justice Scalia seem to think…that acting on this by the legislative branch is beyond their limits…then I don’t think Congress would even be attempting it. I wonder if Congress were to make it a law, if the Court would have the power to shoot it down as unconstitutional? That would be sad and ironic.

Something needs to be done to limit the runaway power of the judicial branch. I ask, if Congress can’t do that, then who the hell can?

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