So, this is why I would not put Phelp’s cult under MY definition of Chrisitanity. It teaches hate of the individual. I don’t agree with teaching “tolerance” of homosexuality in the sense of telling others that it is “normal” or “ok”. I do belive in teaching tolerance in the sense that it is that individual’s choice, and none of our business. I also don’t believe in judging the gay individual for the lifestyle they choose to live.

I know that “the one without a brain” will scoff at my beliefs that homosexuality is wrong, but I hope they can appreciate where I am trying to draw the line on what most Christians have in their definition of Christianity.

It is also irrelevant to me that you believe that religion is a fairy tale. Even IF that were true, it wouldn’t matter. Even folklore, and myths have relevant moral messages that are good for society and the individual.

While we as Christians believe in an afterlife, heaven and hell, and an invisible force behind the universe; while we believe that one must believe that Jesus was the word of God that came down to save man, and that one must believe this to escape eternal damnation;….another does not have to believe in the divinity of Christ to see the common sense, decency, and wisdom within his teachings.

I suggest you engage your brain before trying to create analogies, because this one is farcical.

Are you trying to tell me that the Bible is not the ultimate source for determining what the chief tenets of Christianity are?
I’m sure you’re familiar with Leviticus 20:13, which reads (King James version):

“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.”

Therefore, if Fred Phelps claims that “God hates fags,” he’s exactly right. Other Christians (luckily) claim that he’s nuts and distance themselves from what he does, but they’re hypocrites for doing so. If they weren’t picking and choosing from the Bible as they see fit they’d all be as far gone as Phelps, Pat Robertson and any number of other confirmed lunatics.

Furthermore, the word “evolutionist” is meaningless. Evolution is the name for a process that occurs regardless of people’s feelings about it. Similarlym, it doesn’t take a self-described “mathist” to ensure that adding two and two will produce a sum of four, nor does it require a “datist” for radioisotopes to properly reveal the age of the earth as five bilion years or so. Facts are independent of people’s awareness of them.

This is untrue of Christianity (and in fact of all religions), because without humans having invented it, it wouldn’t exist. Based as it is on an assortment of trumped-up myths concocted by men who lived two millinnia ago, it no more a natural phenomenon than a Stephen King novel or a gangsta-rap CD.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/michael_haggerty/expose3.htm

Don’t worry about everyone else. Most people on this forum know exactly who and what Phelps is. You obviously, don’t have a clue.

You telling me what a Christian is, is even more asinine than me telling you what an evolutionist is.

“So where is he in error?”

He, like you, leaves Christ out.

“Seems like he’s a better Christian than these wishy-washy dingbats…”

Yes, I imagine that in your estimation, he would seem better.

The issue for the ACLU is not the necessity of secrecy or the lack thereof. The issue is whether people know if their reports to the hotline are being made in confidence or not. Maybe you can understand the distinction, but I doubt it.

By the way, “breath” is a noun. “Breathe” is a verb. People like you really do need to refrain from questioning others’ intelligence until you find a way to bolster your own reading and writing skills to a middle-school level or higher, because I’m sick of brand-new irony meters shattering every time you start yammering away again.

“I seem to recall that the ACLU was indeed embroiled in trying to stop legislation that would have stopped that hate group from protesting at funerals…..and I am not even paying attention…so how did you miss that?”

Let’s see. If the ACLU was trying to block anti-hateful-protester legislation, doesn’t that mean it was helping out the protesters?

You’re right about one thing though — you’re obviously not paying attention.

Loboinok, please don’t insult everyone’s intelligence by claiming that Fred Phelps and his band of losers are not Christians. Although most Christians quickly distance themselves from the man, he’s only doing what the Bible commands. It says in plain words that men who lie dowen with other men should die. So where is he in error? Seems like he’s a better Christian than these wishy-washy dingbats who don’t want to actually *kill* gays, but merely keep them from enjoying the same civil liberties as straights.

Rabid they are… Christian they are not.
As anyone here knows, if they were Christians, ‘The one with a brain’ and the ACLU both, would have been voraciously attacking them.