Why Isn’t A Town Enforcing Their Law – The ACLU
The ACLU is watching a small town in western Pennsylvania because of its curfew law. Each night at 9:45 pm the Trafford fire station blows its alert sirens to alert teens and other children that the curfew is fast approaching. All persons under the age of 18 are to be home by 10:00 pm according to local law. But with the ACLU looking over their shoulder, the town has been reluctant to enforce their law.
This stems from one child. Again it is the needs of the one trumping the needs of the many. Mr. Spock wouldn’t agree with this total lack of logic but that is the principle that the ACLU operates under.
Under threat of lawsuit by the American Civil Liberties Union, it appears the borough has backed off its curfew ordinance. Neither Mayor Kevin Karazsia nor solicitor Bill Ferraro would confirm or deny if the long-time curfew ordinance is being enforced — but this much is certain: In December, the ACLU contacted Ferraro after the Toocheck family complained to the organization. Attorney David Millstein, a volunteer at the ACLU who handled the case, said as far as he knows the ordinance is not being enforced. If he learns otherwise, he said, the ACLU will sue. Craig Toocheck contacted the organization after one of his sons was cited a second time under the Trafford curfew ordinance. The first incident occurred last summer when the boy, then 15, walked to the 7-11 without his parents’ permission around midnight. Craig Toocheck was asleep in bed when a police officer brought his son to the door. Surprised that his son had gone in search of a Slurpee without informing him, Toocheck agreed to pay the $73 fine and grounded his son — an active Boy Scout who posted a 4.11 grade point average on his last Penn-Trafford report card — for two weeks. The second incident occurred last August when the boy was watching a pre-season Steelers game at a friend’s house. At half-time — and with his parents permission — he left to walk home. The time was 10 minutes after curfew. Craig Toocheck said his son was a half block from his home on Edgewood Avenue when he was picked up by police. A week later, a fine for $98 was in the Toocheck mailbox. Millstein called the fine and the curfew ridiculous. “The whole thing was unconstitutional,” he said. “There’s no question about it.” The curfew violates one of the rights in the First Amendment — the freedom of assembly, Millstein said. “To impose a curfew on a person just because they’re a juvenile… It’s just not constitutional.” Toocheck said the curfew also violates the Fourth, Fifth, Ninth, and 14th Amendments — which protect against deprivation of liberty without due process of law and includes the right to travel. SOURCE
Ok, let me get this straight, the ACLU is claiming that a reasonable curfew of 10:00 pm for what we can all agree are minor children violates the 4th, 5th, 9th, and 14th Amendments? How absurd. Next you will be telling me that a 9 year old has the right to buy a semi-automatic handgun provided they are willing to wait the required waiting period. I won’t hold my breath on that one but it falls in line with the same logic.
Here are the facts folks:
Children under the age of 18 are just that – CHILDREN. And are subject to the regulations that the home and society puts on them. Persons under the age of 18 (CHILDREN) cannot legally marry without consent. Children cannot own guns, securities, land, vote, and are not subject to taxation all because of their age.
At which point to we throw caution to the wind and teach youngsters the meaning of law and order? If children are subjected to the same freedoms that adults enjoy, then why is it that no one is standing in line to represent children who are forced to live under their parents’ regulations as false imprisonment? After all, a responsible parent would restrict where and when a child can travel outside of the home right?
If you leave children alone for any amount of time, their inner demons will get the better of them and trouble usually follows. As someone who lives with 2 teenage boys I can tell you, that if left to their devices there would be holes in the walls, broken fixtures, parties 24/7 where all kinds of unspeakable activities would be occuring, and that is just the tip of the iceburg. Teenage children often times need to be restricted more than younger children.
The ACLU will stop at nothing to remove all barriers to free will in order to create chaos. Once that is achieved they will swoop in utilizing their dupes in black vestments to create laws restricting all liberties to restore order and a Communist state will be born.
The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few or the one. In this case the needs of Trafford to be safe and secure in their community without an unchecked unregulated youth population roaming the streets causing trouble at all times of the night out weight any presumption that a minor child has to Constitutional rights to travel. And if I remember right, there is no such right in the 4th, 5th, 9th, or 14th Amendments.
The ACLU needs to allow local governments decide what is best for the citizens of their locality. The beautiful thing about a representative democracy, if you don’t like the decisions being made on your behalf, you can vote the decision maker out of office. Hence the terms government of the people, by the people, and for the people.
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“The ACLU will stop at nothing to remove all barriers to free will in order to create chaos. Once that is achieved they will swoop in utilizing their dupes in black vestments to create laws restricting all liberties to restore order and a Communist state will be born.”
You’re so cute when you’re angry.
If you notice, PrivateMoronic is trying to bait me. But look a little deeper into his non-comment, he never denied my assumption now did he?
He also never addressed the subject of the thread. What does his baiting me have to do with the ACLU’s involvement with a local matter? But yet this defender of the indefensible felt the need to comment in order to get a reaction out of me. Nice try PrivateMoronic, but not today. Stick to the subject, or get bounced.
Oh, and another thing. I’m not your friend. Some people use that term real careless. So please don’t. This is my last request.
Right — a straight-A student and boy scout headed straight to his home after being at a friend’s is surely a likely catalyst for chaos and doom. And it certianly does follow that if the ACLU opposes this curfew, it wan’t to put assualt rifles in children’s hands — if you’re a delusional screech-monger, that is.
“The beautiful thing about a representative democracy, if you don’t like the decisions being made on your behalf, you can vote the decision maker out of office. Hence the terms government of the people, by the people, and for the people.”
Funny how no one here feels that way about “liberal activist judges” who won’t support a move toward theocratic rule in America. Pick and choose — the de facto motto of the profound thinkers and boffo analysts at Stop the ACLU.
Another country heard from. Ok now, just so you don’t short-circuit your tin foil hat I’ll go slow.
Without law and order, a society will decline into chaos.
When society declines into chaos, drastic measures by your beloved liberal thinkers all lead to one end, Communism.
Your gods in black robes will then apply more drastic measures than any theocracy in the mold of the old Central Committee.
There is no one at this site or others that is advocating a theocratic rule here in the US, except maybe the left under the guise of separation of church and state. Lefties want to remove religion from the public square which is in itself a form of religious expression. Secular Humanism has been labeled a religious sect by the Kings by Committee otherwise known as the Supreme Court of The United States.
The one with a brain? Is your nickname missing a word? Cell comes to mind.
And real URL’s are required to comment on my posts MORON!
What was the reason for the curfew in the first place? I’m just curious because not all little towns do this. Was the curfew in response to something? I know when I was 16 that I used to close at the local McDonalds and would be driving toward home around midnight.
The article that I got the info from didn’t address the reasons for the curfew. But I know that our County has one here that is graduated by age. It may be the same thing there.
And as for working teens, I’m sure there must be some provision. But here in Ohio, teens cannot work past 10pm. It is part of the permit that they have to have in order to work. If their grades dip, they have their permit revoked. Driver’s licenses can also be suspended until the student is 18 if grades dip.
But as for the reason for the curfew, that wasn’t addressed.
I say again, valid links are required to comment on my posts. What Part Of This Don’t You People Understand?!?
Care To Include A Valid Link?
Anonymous: noun; 1.pitiful excuse for a Frenchman;
2.coward that’s afraid of his own name;
3.a simple minded troll who has nothing to say of substance,
but would rather spend his/her time playing juvenile games;
4.Spineless moonbat (see also Dumocrat)
5.Proud defender of that which has no logical defense
adjective;1.spineless; 2.cowardly;
3.yellow (not to be confused with the color); 4.weak;
5.without couth; 6. of French origin;
7. disguised as French but actually German
If you people notice, Captain Rational (and don’t think because I didn’t shred your name that I all of a sudden like you) provided a link to a site that I can’t stand, but yet he provided one. This demands respect. But anyone who chooses to attempt to remain anonymous on my posts will have their comments hijacked by me. I will delete your substance and replace it with whatever I choose.
Disagree with me all you want as long as you provide a link. No link = no voice. Got it!
And note, the link must point to your own site. There are plenty of free sites hosts available so don’t attempt to pull the wool over my eyes.
You picked a nice controversial one for the blogburst Gribbit. If for no other reason, its got the moonbats going nuts…probably because they are teens.
The One With A Brain (Cell – only 1) got himself a blog so that I wouldn’t over-ride his comments… So I paid it a visit and here is what I said:
Let’s see, Stop The ACLU is #16 (and was as high as #3 at one point) as of today on The Truth Laid Bear Ecosystem and Gribbit’s Word is #176. That is out of more than 400,000 blogs being tracked. And who are you? NOBODY. You mean nothing, you are nothing, and will never be anything. So… do yourself a favor and shut up. Because if anyone destroys their own credibility… it is you.
My blog Gribbit’s Word has over 500 incoming links… and yours has 1 because you sent a trackback. Wooo Hooo.. YOU ROCK MAN! NOT!
And I notice, your blog does not allow anonymous comments… novel idea….
Another moron who can’t read. Duh…. I’m going to insult someone and remain anonymous a duh…..
I’ve told you morons time and time again, link to your own page or don’t comment on my posts. I don’t believe in anonymity. If you are going to trash what I say, at least give me the courtesy of having an opportunity to do the same to you. Chances are, I won’t ever leave a comment on your blog. Why? Because I don’t rightly give a flying fart what you think that’s why.
No Link = No Voice
And just for the record, my last comment was made in response to something written on the Man With A Brain (Cell – only 1) on his new blog that he started for the sole purpose of getting past my rule. He said somethings that asked for some reality. The reality is that he isn’t anything unless I shame him into something.
Conservative blogs out perform liberal blogs 5:1 (best guess) because most lib blogs go under due to lack of attention. They get no traffic except from those who share their far left views.
Conservative blogs on the other hand tend to get not only new readers, but continuing return visits.
I mentioned the TTLB numbers soley to show this pipsqueek where his opinion stands in my view… Nowhere.
Your own site…. duh… I was gonna learn to read… but I got high….
Great post Gribbit. I’m willing to bet that this so called grade A student Boy Scout is a failure and not a member. Besides, you have to remember, the ACLU hates the Boy Scouts because they are good people. Why would they waste their time on this kid and his family if he were a member. Bottom line is that the problem lies with the parents. For the story its made so sound like they are doing everything right and punishing him and not knowing what he is up to after they retire. Good parents will know that their kids are in bed asleep with lights out by the time they retire. A real Scout would also not be so stupid or disobedient as to break the rules, especially a second time. As usual the ACLU needs to keep their commie noses out of other people business and dissapear like a fart in the wind.
As for your moonbat gutless sissy Lib who calls himself Man With A Brain, you are correct, there is a word missing, but its not cell, its DEAD.
Signed: To all Liberals listen up…. I’ll try being nicer, if you try being smarter.
NoLibs, I’m sorry but I shouldn’t let your comment stand. I appreciate your comments and feedback BUT I do have a rule. I let A Man With A Brain (Cell – only 1) have a freebie and I’ll let you have one too… Fair and Balanced you know. But please remember if I write a thread, I require valid links TO YOUR OWN SITE (emphasis for the benefit of our doped out liberal trolls who attempt to make comments using other people’s links).
To Our Visiting Moonbat Trolls,
Before you start your evil rantings against me, I have given 1 pro comment and 1 con comment a free pass. No more passes will be issued…
In comment #11, Gribbit wrote:
“Disagree with me all you want as long as you provide a link.”
I’ve done exactly as he’s asked, and he’s not only continued to edit my comments anyway, but has de-registered my username multiple times. If Gribbit has a hint of a defense against the charges that he’s not only a liar but a coward as well, I’d be interested in seeing it. Because Gribbit is in fact a liar and a coward.
Also, I and other open-eyed Americans are grateful not to have folks like “NoLibs” in my corner. Rather than accept the fact that the ACLU is effectively going to bat for a Boy Scout in good standing, he creates a far-out alternate reality that suits his persecution complex and takes the oh-so-original stance that the ACLU is rife with communists. You people really shouldn’t be allowed to vote for any office position higher than municipla dogcatcher.
No No… I have not, I did remove 1 of your posts, but go back to it, click the link (comment 10), it leads no where. You provided a link AFTER that happened. If you are going to try to discredit me, at least get your facts correct. If you also read in comment 18, I even gave you praise for having the stones to back up your words with a valid link. I don’t ask for much. Just an opportunity to comment on your thoughts, on your forum, and that if you are going to discredit me, be accurate.
Revisionist history… typical moonbat tactics.
I demand an apology. Or I will invoke my power to ban your IP from our server. You called me a liar. I have not lied. I do not lie. I invite everyone to visit his blog and read the comments over there. This foul mouthed moonbat dares to lecture me on my politics when he cannot make an argument without dropping the f-bomb? I do not lie. Produce 1 person who has evidence of a lie that I told. It will be a long wait because I don’t lie..
Be thankful that we aren’t in the same room brainless. I come from the old school, where if you call someone a liar you’d better be able to prove it or you would be eating through a straw. Rest assured if you were to call me a liar in my presence, you’d be spitting teeth. I suggest you apologise.
braindead said:
“You people really shouldn’t be allowed to vote for any office position higher than municipla dogcatcher.”
And you people shouldn’t be allowed to run for any office including Dog Catcher.
No link = No Voice
News Flash – brainless is using 2 different nicks, hence his claim of unregistering him multiple times and multiple edits. He is also using the ummmidiot name. The link attached to that name led nowhere so it was deleted. Another moonbat trick.
I’m waiting for my apology Brainless…. Oh Brainless… Where Are You Hiding Brainless….?
Yes I just deleted that comment… why because you are the liar. Now… go away… I’m done with you.
no link no voice