“…how many times do the words ‘Jesus,’ ‘Christ,’ ‘Christian’ or ‘Christianity’ appear in the Constitution?”

In response, you wrote:

“Straight out of LEFT field. Who made this argument?”

Obviously, you did. More than once. In your post, you link Christianity to “America’s founding principles.” In your reply to me, you were even more specific, referring to “the Judeo-Christian foundation that spawned and has sustained this nation.” This country does not have a tangible foundation of any sort, and if anything it’s the religious zealots that will help guarantee its downfall.

Your comments about child pornography are red herrings. I abhor such crimes as much as anyone else, but your mention of them is irrelevant to everything I wrote earlier.

Also, you didn’t answer my question about public-school “indoctrination” (and It amuses me that just because I reject your pet superstitons, you assume I attended public school).

By the way, even most right-wingnuts recognize that attempting to correlate atheism with communism is an idiot’s refuge. I’m not going to try to change your mind, but I will say that it cracks me up whenever the “writers” here refer to others as idiots. Here we have Jay, who cannot spell or use passable grammar to save his life, is too lazy to fact-check anything, and on top of these deficiencies is biased to the hilt. Exactly what you’d expect from a product of Alabama, the cloest thing to a Third World nation in the Western Hemisphere.

RIF (Reading is Fundamental).

You first point is not a point at all. Does this look familiar:

“If the ACLU desires a “religion-free public arena,” what other religion could they possibly target?”

Moving on…you wrote:
“What does this have to do with the ACLU’s proclivity for trying to ensure that no *specific* religions are favored over any others in public places?”

Easy. Carter (just as you do) uses the very few cases where the ACLU appears to support his point that the ACLU “is not evil” and ignores the totality of their record which paints a far uglier picture. The fact is, defense of child molesters’ “rights” and the other abominations I mentioned hit right at the heart my point. The ACLU means to remake this country in its own image — an image incompatible with the Judeo-Christian foundation that spawned and has sustained this nation. I presented a partial list of their attacks on public religious expression…just ’cause you don’t like it, doesn’t make it not so. Allowing a prayer at graduation is not “favoring one religion over another.” If the Founders were so concerned about public worship, how was the largest church congregation in the country in the beginning of the 19th Century housed at THE US CAPITOL (with music provided by the Marine Corps Band)??? You have fallen into the blind trap of an inadequate public school education and have refused to free yourself. Learn some history and break the sad spell.

You have strange “thought” patterns:

1) You say I called the ACLU “evil.” Go back and read what I wrote. Funny you can invent something I’ve not said and…

2) Then, you take something else I wrote quite literally when it wasn’t meant to be. I didn’t say the ACLU killed 60 million people. If you don’t understand the use of this analogy by simply reading it in context, no one can get through to you.

“Uh-huh. Well, that’s one way to maintain a delusion — take every case that directly contradicts your hypothesis and pretend that either it didn’t happen or was motivated by treachery.”

The ACLU’s deception tactics are extensively and publicly documented…sorry if primary sources (like the very words of the ACLU’s founder all the way to its current leadership) are uncomfortable for you. At one time, the ACLU was quite open about their strategies, so the field has been populated with many fruits for ridicule that are easily harvested…now they save them for opportunities when they THINK no one is listening. Read the ACLU vs. America.

“the untold number of evils perpetrated by the Christian church throughout human history, and indeed, right up to the present day.”

While it cannot be denied that the church has had some dark moments in its two millenia history, I’d like for you to talk to me about the present day. Present some evidence of these present-day “evils” or you sacrifice any credibility I am extending you.

“Regarding those founding principles — how many times do the words “Jesus,” “Christ,” “Christian” or “Christianity” appear in the Constitution?”

Straight out of LEFT field. Who made this argument?

Here’s your big problem, son:
You are emotionally invested in a worldview that can only be explained and defined by fantasy world-driven outbursts. Like a Soviet photo archivist, you find it easy to erase the facts in front of your face if they don’t affirm your position.

Do you not think it is evil to put children at the mercy of child rapists and child rapists that want to film their acts?

Far from it. He’s saying that it’s regrettable that the ACLU seeks a “religion-free public arena” (an exaggeration in itself, but no matter), but that Christianity is not the organization’s special target. And he’s right. With the overwhelming number of religious Americans claiming to be Christians, it’s a matter of simple demographics that leads to most lawsuits and complains centering on Christian doings, not intrinsic bias.

If the feds conducted a huge heroin sting in, say, Detroit or Compton, about 90% of those arrested would be black. If they made a pot bust in the hills of Vermont, 90% of those nabbed would be white. Are the cops racist in the first example but “reverse racist” in the second?

“Carter conflates disagreement between honest parties with righteous outrage in the face of truly diabolical activity like, I don’t know, say a lawsuit on behalf of a child molester who openly states his desire to rape children to be able to prowl the park for victims…or support for infanticide…or support for the distribution of child porn (hey, if it’s already made, you can’t impede its distribution)…legal defense of a group that educates perverts on how to get away with child rape…we can go on and on.”

And I’m sure you will. What does this have to do with the ACLU’s proclivity for trying to ensure that no *specific* religions are favored over any others in public places?

“The next time someone disparages Mao for killing 60 million people, try answering with something like this: ‘Sure that’s a lot of innocent slaughter, but thank God he killed some that really deserved it. After all, Communism is a beautiful idea right?’”

So Mao and the ACLU have proven equally murderous? I always thought the score was around 60 million to zilch. Nice try. And I like the flip side — you’re not content to offer this awesomely inane analogy; you also note that the ACLU is “evil” without noting the untold number of evils perpetrated by the Christian church throughout human history, and indeed, right up to the present day.

Your screed is but another Christian demand for special treatment. The sad thing is that you and your Jesus-loving brethren can’t even conceive of being guilty of this, much less recognize it. Carter does, and you see him as a sellout because he’s one of the few Christians publicly acknowledging the truth. Given the reaction here by his supposed comrades, it’s easy to see why so few speak up in the name of honesty.

“The ACLU determined from the dawn of its founding that it would take token cases for PR cover.”

Uh-huh. Well, that’s one way to maintain a delusion — take every case that directly contradicts your hypothesis and pretend that either it didn’t happen or was motivated by treachery.

“Christian students that want to opt out of school-mandated indoctrination…”
What do you mean by this? Areteachers now openly mocking religion in classrooms?

“The ACLU’s record of hostility to the Christian faith and to America’s founding principles is too public and too voluminous to deny.”

Regarding those founding principles — how many times do the words “Jesus,” “Christ,” “Christian” or “Christianity” appear in the Constitution?