Comments on: Try To Protect Yourself Or Others And We’ll Sue http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/03/02/try-to-protect-yourself-or-others-and-well-sue/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:24:34 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: kender http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/03/02/try-to-protect-yourself-or-others-and-well-sue/comment-page-1/#comment-47662 kender Mon, 06 Mar 2006 06:27:02 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/03/02/try-to-protect-yourself-or-others-and-well-sue/#comment-47662 Actually the cheif was protecting the man that wanted to give CPR.....if the victim had been HIV positive and the friend giving CPR caught it by giving his friend CPR he could have sued the police chief for not protecting him, and the way the courts work these days he probably would have had a case. Actually the cheif was protecting the man that wanted to give CPR…..if the victim had been HIV positive and the friend giving CPR caught it by giving his friend CPR he could have sued the police chief for not protecting him, and the way the courts work these days he probably would have had a case.

]]> By: diptherio http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/03/02/try-to-protect-yourself-or-others-and-well-sue/comment-page-1/#comment-47660 diptherio Sun, 05 Mar 2006 00:59:19 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/03/02/try-to-protect-yourself-or-others-and-well-sue/#comment-47660 "Protect and Serve does not mean placing yourself in possible harms way." Ok, so if I'm being mugged on the street corner by some thug with a gun, can the Police Cheif just walk by, since confronting a mugger with a gun might be putting himself in harm's way? I thought that's what police officers are paid for (though it ain't much, I know), to protect EVERY LAWABIDING CITIZEN, even if it means putting themselves in harm's way. At least you'd think that's what a GOOD police officer would do. And as rant pointed out, there's never been a case of HIV/AIDS transmission from giving CPR, so what is the cheif's concern based on? Would he have acted the same if the man was a known heterosexual, for fear that he might contract herpes, hepatitis or (dare I say it) AIDS from him? The point is that the Police Cheif failed in his responsibility to protect the citizens of his community because of his knowledge of the dead man's sexual orientation. He didn't give him CPR because he was gay even though 1) no one has ever gotten AIDS from CPR and 2) straight people can have AIDS too. If you think that this is a problem, then you might think that the police chief's actions (or lack thereof) are a problem too. (I do). “Protect and Serve does not mean placing yourself in possible harms way.”

Ok, so if I’m being mugged on the street corner by some thug with a gun, can the Police Cheif just walk by, since confronting a mugger with a gun might be putting himself in harm’s way? I thought that’s what police officers are paid for (though it ain’t much, I know), to protect EVERY LAWABIDING CITIZEN, even if it means putting themselves in harm’s way. At least you’d think that’s what a GOOD police officer would do.

And as rant pointed out, there’s never been a case of HIV/AIDS transmission from giving CPR, so what is the cheif’s concern based on? Would he have acted the same if the man was a known heterosexual, for fear that he might contract herpes, hepatitis or (dare I say it) AIDS from him?

The point is that the Police Cheif failed in his responsibility to protect the citizens of his community because of his knowledge of the dead man’s sexual orientation. He didn’t give him CPR because he was gay even though 1) no one has ever gotten AIDS from CPR and 2) straight people can have AIDS too. If you think that this is a problem, then you might think that the police chief’s actions (or lack thereof) are a problem too. (I do).

]]> By: random http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/03/02/try-to-protect-yourself-or-others-and-well-sue/comment-page-1/#comment-47666 random Sat, 04 Mar 2006 00:24:07 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/03/02/try-to-protect-yourself-or-others-and-well-sue/#comment-47666 Actually, the problem was that the PC physically stopped Mr. Greens friend from giving him CPR.. ‘Claude Green Jr., 43, had a heart attack on the afternoon of June 21 while driving in his truck with his neighbor, Billy Snead, in Welch, W. Va. According to court papers, Green complained of indigestion, then suddenly went stiff and lost control of the truck. Snead brought the truck to a stop beside the road, went around to the driver's side, and began pounding on his friend's chest. The CPR seemed to be working when Police Chief Robert K. Bowman arrived on the scene two or three minutes later. Bowman identified Green as a member of the gay community in the small town of less than 2,500, and told Snead to back away because the victim was HIV-positive. When Snead failed to comply, Bowman grabbed him by the shoulders and sent him to a police car for a statement.’ Mr. Green was not HIV positive. I understand Universal Precaution.. The PC was well within HIS rights not to give Mr. Green CPR, but to prevent someone else from giving it. To make someone sit and watch their friend die.. That’s not within his rights.. In this day and age, no one knows who has what.. It’s not just gay men any more.. With IV drug users and Straight married men who liked to “enjoy” a man or hooker now and then, HIV drifted into the main stream population. What he did was wrong.. Mr. Snead was Mr. Greens friend.. How would you feel if it was your son/daughter/wife/husband/mother/ father and they could have been saved, but someone prevented it because they "Thought" the person might have something wrong with them... Someone died because a person in authority had his facts wrong.. Actually, the problem was that the PC physically stopped Mr. Greens friend from giving him CPR..

‘Claude Green Jr., 43, had a heart attack on the afternoon of June 21 while driving in his truck with his neighbor, Billy Snead, in Welch, W. Va. According to court papers, Green complained of indigestion, then suddenly went stiff and lost control of the truck. Snead brought the truck to a stop beside the road, went around to the driver’s side, and began pounding on his friend’s chest.
The CPR seemed to be working when Police Chief Robert K. Bowman arrived on the scene two or three minutes later. Bowman identified Green as a member of the gay community in the small town of less than 2,500, and told Snead to back away because the victim was HIV-positive. When Snead failed to comply, Bowman grabbed him by the shoulders and sent him to a police car for a statement.’

Mr. Green was not HIV positive.

I understand Universal Precaution.. The PC was well within HIS rights not to give Mr. Green CPR, but to prevent someone else from giving it. To make someone sit and watch their friend die.. That’s not within his rights..

In this day and age, no one knows who has what.. It’s not just gay men any more.. With IV drug users and Straight married men who liked to “enjoy” a man or hooker now and then, HIV drifted into the main stream population.

What he did was wrong.. Mr. Snead was Mr. Greens friend..

How would you feel if it was your son/daughter/wife/husband/mother/
father and they could have been saved, but someone prevented it because they “Thought” the person might have something wrong with them…

Someone died because a person in authority had his facts wrong..

]]> By: Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/03/02/try-to-protect-yourself-or-others-and-well-sue/comment-page-1/#comment-47665 Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator Fri, 03 Mar 2006 05:17:30 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/03/02/try-to-protect-yourself-or-others-and-well-sue/#comment-47665 <strong>Cop Accused Of Denying Gay Man CPR</strong> A police chief in the 2,400-person town of Welch, W. Va, was accused in a federal lawsuit of stoppin Cop Accused Of Denying Gay Man CPR
A police chief in the 2,400-person town of Welch, W. Va, was accused in a federal lawsuit of stoppin

]]> By: DeltaFox http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/03/02/try-to-protect-yourself-or-others-and-well-sue/comment-page-1/#comment-47664 DeltaFox Fri, 03 Mar 2006 00:48:18 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/03/02/try-to-protect-yourself-or-others-and-well-sue/#comment-47664 Pretty sad situation. Protect and Serve does not mean placing yourself in possible harms way. This cop did just that, tried to protect the friend. Too bad that this ACLU feels the need to destroy the cop's career simply for trying to protect himself and the other guy. Shame. Pretty sad situation.

Protect and Serve does not mean placing yourself in possible harms way.

This cop did just that, tried to protect the friend.

Too bad that this ACLU feels the need to destroy the cop’s career simply for trying to protect himself and the other guy.

Shame.

]]> By: Gribbit http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/03/02/try-to-protect-yourself-or-others-and-well-sue/comment-page-1/#comment-47663 Gribbit Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:19:49 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/03/02/try-to-protect-yourself-or-others-and-well-sue/#comment-47663 Not only that Kender, but what of his unknowing wife? He could infect her not knowing he was infected. The safe play is to avoid fluid transfers at all cost. If universal precautions are not available, don't do it. Let the poor guy die. Better one death than 2 or 3 or who knows more. For instance, as a US Army Veteran, I've been adiquately schooled in combat first aid. I am able to treat a sucking chest wound of all things. Do you think I would lend assistance to someone that I do not know? Not in a million years. This is why I don't get a Red Cross CPR card. I know how to do all that stuff but I'd NEVER use it. Not only that Kender, but what of his unknowing wife? He could infect her not knowing he was infected. The safe play is to avoid fluid transfers at all cost. If universal precautions are not available, don’t do it. Let the poor guy die. Better one death than 2 or 3 or who knows more.

For instance, as a US Army Veteran, I’ve been adiquately schooled in combat first aid. I am able to treat a sucking chest wound of all things. Do you think I would lend assistance to someone that I do not know? Not in a million years. This is why I don’t get a Red Cross CPR card. I know how to do all that stuff but I’d NEVER use it.

]]> By: kender http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/03/02/try-to-protect-yourself-or-others-and-well-sue/comment-page-1/#comment-47661 kender Thu, 02 Mar 2006 21:01:47 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/03/02/try-to-protect-yourself-or-others-and-well-sue/#comment-47661 If the man WERE HIV positive, and this cop contracted it because of his attempt to save this mans life, who would be responsible for taking care of his family when he died of AIDS through NO FAULT of his own? If the man WERE HIV positive, and this cop contracted it because of his attempt to save this mans life, who would be responsible for taking care of his family when he died of AIDS through NO FAULT of his own?

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