Comments on: Just a Quick Question….

By: actus

actus — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 06:14:20 +0000

“Just because someone claims the government has spied on them illegally doesn’t mean it has happened.”

Of course not.

“When the government is unable to prove they didn’t spy on these people illegally the people will scream coverup.”

so?

By: kender

kender — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:52:12 +0000

And how can the plaintiff show proof of something when they lack the access to that alleged proof?

Just because someone claims the government has spied on them illegally doesn’t mean it has happened. When the government is unable to prove they didn’t spy on these people illegally the people will scream coverup.

By: actus

actus — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:47:19 +0000

“The original point of this post is if I accuse someone of doing something that they didn’t do, how can they prove they didn’t do it?”

Very easily. Its up to the plaintiff to show proof.

By: kender

kender — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:08:02 +0000

My point exactly.

The counter point of that is you cannot prove that something did NOT happen.

The original point of this post is if I accuse someone of doing something that they didn’t do, how can they prove they didn’t do it?

When they can’t prove they didn’t do it, I simply scream coverup and sue again.

By: actus

actus — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 22:50:50 +0000

“Every cop I have ever talked to about it, and that is many. I used to run with the Apple Valley Sheriffs Posse and the Citizens On Patrol.”

If every criminal gets caught, why is there unsolved crime?

By: kender

kender — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 22:50:05 +0000

Every cop I have ever talked to about it, and that is many. I used to run with the Apple Valley Sheriffs Posse and the Citizens On Patrol.

By: actus

actus — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 22:42:50 +0000

“Cops say “every criminal gets caught eventually” but that is not true, as criminals that are never caught are never known about.”

What cops say that?

By: kender

kender — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 22:36:59 +0000

Certainly you must be correct, actus. Our goverment would never keep anything secret from us and the courts.

And no, proof of this event of the government hiding something from even the courts is not available, as that would necessitate the courts having found it.

It is the same old cop conundrum. Cops say “every criminal gets caught eventually” but that is not true, as criminals that are never caught are never known about.

See?

By: actus

actus — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 22:30:00 +0000

““Nope we didn’t do it, and what we did do concerns national security so no you can’t look at it” the court can go digging all they want, but if they don’t find what they are looking for the people bringing the suit will scream coverup.”

Oh. the govt can’t keep the court from seeing it. Not if the court wants it.

By: kender

kender — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 22:20:17 +0000

People have asked what is there already. In the area 51 case the government says “Nothing that concerns you, National Security yadayada” and nothing gets done beyond that.

It is the same with the alleged wiretapping. As long as the government says “Nope we didn’t do it, and what we did do concerns national security so no you can’t look at it” the court can go digging all they want, but if they don’t find what they are looking for the people bringing the suit will scream coverup.

There is no way to prove that the wiretapping did NOT occur, so protestations by the NSA, or anyone else, that what did happen had nothing to do with the people bringing the suit will not stop the relentless assault on our secret programs.