Comments on: ACLU Welcomes Senate Inquiry Into Warrantless NSA Spying Program With Full Page Propaganda http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/02/06/aclu-welcomes-senate-inquiry-into-warrantless-nsa-spying-program-with-full-page-propaganda/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Sun, 22 Nov 2009 07:25:23 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: Wilson http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/02/06/aclu-welcomes-senate-inquiry-into-warrantless-nsa-spying-program-with-full-page-propaganda/comment-page-1/#comment-66736 Wilson Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:10:42 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/02/06/aclu-welcomes-senate-inquiry-into-warrantless-nsa-spying-program-with-full-page-propaganda/#comment-66736 Why would you want to stop an organization that protects citizens rights from discrimination from the goverment? At least 90% of all ACLU cases are fought for ordinary middle-class Americans constitutional rights against the goverment, Federal, state or local, it's only the fringe cases that get all the publicity. Stop the ACLU has a better plan of action to help us? What is that plan? Where is your superior organization that will protect us against goverment? Why has almost 100K Republicans joined the ACLU in the last year? Gotta love some conspiracy theories from the bootlickers...this site is a hoot. Why would you want to stop an organization that protects citizens rights from discrimination from the goverment? At least 90% of all ACLU cases are fought for ordinary middle-class Americans constitutional rights against the goverment, Federal, state or local, it’s only the fringe cases that get all the publicity. Stop the ACLU has a better plan of action to help us? What is that plan? Where is your superior organization that will protect us against goverment? Why has almost 100K Republicans joined the ACLU in the last year? Gotta love some conspiracy theories from the bootlickers…this site is a hoot.

]]> By: some liberal jerk http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/02/06/aclu-welcomes-senate-inquiry-into-warrantless-nsa-spying-program-with-full-page-propaganda/comment-page-1/#comment-46251 some liberal jerk Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:39:27 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/02/06/aclu-welcomes-senate-inquiry-into-warrantless-nsa-spying-program-with-full-page-propaganda/#comment-46251 I can't wait for 2009 when all you wing-nuts will do a 180 and start bleating and screaming about the Democratic President having too much power. Let's see a show of hands of how many of you would trust Hillary if she said she wasn't spying on ordinary citizens. That's what I thought. So really, think about the unchecked powers you are advocating for, because you'll be handing it down to the next pres very soon. I can’t wait for 2009 when all you wing-nuts will do a 180 and start bleating and screaming about the Democratic President having too much power. Let’s see a show of hands of how many of you would trust Hillary if she said she wasn’t spying on ordinary citizens. That’s what I thought.

So really, think about the unchecked powers you are advocating for, because you’ll be handing it down to the next pres very soon.

]]> By: RedSonja2000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/02/06/aclu-welcomes-senate-inquiry-into-warrantless-nsa-spying-program-with-full-page-propaganda/comment-page-1/#comment-46228 RedSonja2000 Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:16:40 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/02/06/aclu-welcomes-senate-inquiry-into-warrantless-nsa-spying-program-with-full-page-propaganda/#comment-46228 MrWonderful: ". . . making an ass of yourself and irritaing the rest of us with working brains" I'm sorry my working brains irritate you. "These records are your beloved [edited] oversight." These records are the bald, unsupported word of the wiretappers. If the need is urgent the warrant can be acquired retroactrively. I'm supposed to accept the word of people who have already broken the law? "not the Liberal “Living Document” version" you are not alone in thinking the constitution is a dead document. Most other rightwingers think so too. The LAW states that wiretaps on US citizens must be conducted with a warrant. Bush has broken that law. "ACLU is a criminal organization. . ." Translation: I don't like them, nyah! The ACLU protects your civil liberties and that of others. If you don't like that, tough. You most certainly CAN wear religious symbols and pray in "public spaces" and public schools. The ACLU defends cases like that all the time and will continue to do so. "this president at this time has the right and the authority to wire tap with or without a warrant as he see’s fit" he does not. You see, back in civics (do they still teach that? I doubt it!) I learned that the US government has 3 branches--Congressional, Executive & Judicial. You and King George obviously didn't get that memo. Congress passed a law stating explicitly that warrants were required and made them super-easy to get. Yet that's not enough. Not even retroactive warrants is enough. We don't know *who* they are wiretapping because there is zero oversight--in violation of the law and the executive is never above the law. Never. MrWonderful:
“. . . making an ass of yourself and irritaing the rest of us with working brains”

I’m sorry my working brains irritate you.

“These records are your beloved [edited] oversight.”

These records are the bald, unsupported word of the wiretappers. If the need is urgent the warrant can be acquired retroactrively. I’m supposed to accept the word of people who have already broken the law?

“not the Liberal “Living Document” version”

you are not alone in thinking the constitution is a dead document. Most other rightwingers think so too. The LAW states that wiretaps on US citizens must be conducted with a warrant. Bush has broken that law.

“ACLU is a criminal organization. . .”
Translation: I don’t like them, nyah! The ACLU protects your civil liberties and that of others. If you don’t like that, tough.

You most certainly CAN wear religious symbols and pray in “public spaces” and public schools. The ACLU defends cases like that all the time and will continue to do so.

“this president at this time has the right and the authority to wire tap with or without a warrant as he see’s fit”

he does not. You see, back in civics (do they still teach that? I doubt it!) I learned that the US government has 3 branches–Congressional, Executive & Judicial. You and King George obviously didn’t get that memo. Congress passed a law stating explicitly that warrants were required and made them super-easy to get. Yet that’s not enough. Not even retroactive warrants is enough. We don’t know *who* they are wiretapping because there is zero oversight–in violation of the law and the executive is never above the law. Never.

]]> By: MrWonderful http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/02/06/aclu-welcomes-senate-inquiry-into-warrantless-nsa-spying-program-with-full-page-propaganda/comment-page-1/#comment-46229 MrWonderful Thu, 09 Feb 2006 17:54:05 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/02/06/aclu-welcomes-senate-inquiry-into-warrantless-nsa-spying-program-with-full-page-propaganda/#comment-46229 Looks like we have another know nothing Liberal posting. It would be very helpful and refreshing if idiots like you Sonja actually did some research and knew what they were talking about rather than coming in and posting blindly and making an [edited] of yourself and irritaing the rest of us with working brains. Maybe you just have a serious reading comprehension problem or are hard of hearing. Then again, it could be your just a hard headed stubborn Liberal [edited]. Pick one. Anyway, as is usual, your wrong. Fact number 1, we do know for sure what type of wire taping is going on. If you bothered to read and do research, you would know that even though an actual warrant was not obtained due to the urgent nature of the situtaion that required immediate action, that detailed and thorough records are kept of each action taken. These records are your beloved [edited] oversight. Fact #2, the president, may God protect him, never said he broke the law, he has always maintained he wored within the law. That little twist was another Liberal lie. Nothing new actually. Fact #3, the president, may God bless and protect him, is completely, and legally using his powers to protect national security, and the citizens of this country. He is given that permission in the Constitution, and I must point out that its the real Constitution, not the Liberal "Living Document" version, and he also had a mandate from Congress to take the actions he has and had kept all of them informed of what he was doing. So your [edited] laws are already on the books and he is following them, not creating some immaginary laws you have in your empty Liberal head. Fact #4, the ACLU is a criminal organization filled with communists and anti-American zealots hellbent on destroying this country from within. This is proven,, and if you again bothered to read and comprehend what is said and done out in the world by these commie criminals in the ACLU, you will know that you or I nor anyone else can NOT pray in a public space or wear a religious symbol in a public place, particularly if its a (gasp) public school. They have seen fit to guarantee that my right to do so under the regular and generally accepted version of the Constitution have been thoroughtly and completely violated. Fact #5, again, you have no facts or comprehension. No one has a right to be wire tapped under the Constitution unless under normal circumstances there is a warrant issued. However, in fact, this president at this time has the right and the authority to wire tap with or without a warrant as he see's fit to protect this country and its citizens if that person is in fact thought to be aiding and abeting terrorists. It really quite simple and quite clear if you have a working brain, a half decent set of comprehension skills, and of course nothing to hide. So you obviously don't know jack [edited] about what your talking about. I pity you and all Liberals, your so pathetic and lost its almost uncomprehensable, but all so sad. Please seek professional help and spare us all further burden and violations to our common sense and our rights. NO PROFANITY! This is your last warning. We appreciate your support but rules are rules Lobo Looks like we have another know nothing Liberal posting. It would be very helpful and refreshing if idiots like you Sonja actually did some research and knew what they were talking about rather than coming in and posting blindly and making an [edited] of yourself and irritaing the rest of us with working brains. Maybe you just have a serious reading comprehension problem or are hard of hearing. Then again, it could be your just a hard headed stubborn Liberal [edited]. Pick one. Anyway, as is usual, your wrong. Fact number 1, we do know for sure what type of wire taping is going on. If you bothered to read and do research, you would know that even though an actual warrant was not obtained due to the urgent nature of the situtaion that required immediate action, that detailed and thorough records are kept of each action taken. These records are your beloved [edited] oversight. Fact #2, the president, may God protect him, never said he broke the law, he has always maintained he wored within the law. That little twist was another Liberal lie. Nothing new actually. Fact #3, the president, may God bless and protect him, is completely, and legally using his powers to protect national security, and the citizens of this country. He is given that permission in the Constitution, and I must point out that its the real Constitution, not the Liberal “Living Document” version, and he also had a mandate from Congress to take the actions he has and had kept all of them informed of what he was doing. So your [edited] laws are already on the books and he is following them, not creating some immaginary laws you have in your empty Liberal head. Fact #4, the ACLU is a criminal organization filled with communists and anti-American zealots hellbent on destroying this country from within. This is proven,, and if you again bothered to read and comprehend what is said and done out in the world by these commie criminals in the ACLU, you will know that you or I nor anyone else can NOT pray in a public space or wear a religious symbol in a public place, particularly if its a (gasp) public school. They have seen fit to guarantee that my right to do so under the regular and generally accepted version of the Constitution have been thoroughtly and completely violated. Fact #5, again, you have no facts or comprehension. No one has a right to be wire tapped under the Constitution unless under normal circumstances there is a warrant issued. However, in fact, this president at this time has the right and the authority to wire tap with or without a warrant as he see’s fit to protect this country and its citizens if that person is in fact thought to be aiding and abeting terrorists. It really quite simple and quite clear if you have a working brain, a half decent set of comprehension skills, and of course nothing to hide. So you obviously don’t know jack [edited] about what your talking about. I pity you and all Liberals, your so pathetic and lost its almost uncomprehensable, but all so sad. Please seek professional help and spare us all further burden and violations to our common sense and our rights.

NO PROFANITY! This is your last warning.
We appreciate your support but rules are rules

Lobo

]]> By: RedSonja2000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/02/06/aclu-welcomes-senate-inquiry-into-warrantless-nsa-spying-program-with-full-page-propaganda/comment-page-1/#comment-46230 RedSonja2000 Thu, 09 Feb 2006 00:19:53 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/02/06/aclu-welcomes-senate-inquiry-into-warrantless-nsa-spying-program-with-full-page-propaganda/#comment-46230 To James: We have a RIGHT TO BE WIRETAPPED WITHOUT A WARRANT? I don't remember seeing that. Which amendment was that? Did they pass it while I wasn't looking? To James:

We have a RIGHT TO BE WIRETAPPED WITHOUT A WARRANT? I don’t remember seeing that. Which amendment was that? Did they pass it while I wasn’t looking?

]]> By: James http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/02/06/aclu-welcomes-senate-inquiry-into-warrantless-nsa-spying-program-with-full-page-propaganda/comment-page-1/#comment-46231 James Wed, 08 Feb 2006 23:19:06 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/02/06/aclu-welcomes-senate-inquiry-into-warrantless-nsa-spying-program-with-full-page-propaganda/#comment-46231 What angers me is that they allowed Clinton to stay in office after he committed a FELONY by perjuring himself, but now they want to crucify Bush for trying to PROTECT OUR RIGHTS. Democrats are morons. What angers me is that they allowed Clinton to stay in office after he committed a FELONY by perjuring himself, but now they want to crucify Bush for trying to
PROTECT OUR RIGHTS. Democrats are morons.

]]> By: RedSonja2000 http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/02/06/aclu-welcomes-senate-inquiry-into-warrantless-nsa-spying-program-with-full-page-propaganda/comment-page-1/#comment-46250 RedSonja2000 Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:52:57 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/02/06/aclu-welcomes-senate-inquiry-into-warrantless-nsa-spying-program-with-full-page-propaganda/#comment-46250 apostle: "the wiretaps are eavesdropping on terrorists from the outside calling into the U.S. Leftists need to stop twisting the debate to make it sound like Bush is just tapping U.S. citizen phones at random." We have no way of knowing that, do we? Without oversight he could be wiretapping people at random and we would never know. A lot of people showing up on the "no fly" lists are ordinary Americans who were critical of the administration. We have absolutly no reason to believe for an instant that the warrantless wiretaps have anything to do with terrorism. If they are simply listening in on terrorists, what's wrong with getting a retroactive warrant? And there are a lot of right wing Republicans who are mighty pissed about this. It's far from moot and far from over. apostle:
“the wiretaps are eavesdropping on terrorists from the outside calling into the U.S. Leftists need to stop twisting the debate to make it sound like Bush is just tapping U.S. citizen phones at random.”

We have no way of knowing that, do we? Without oversight he could be wiretapping people at random and we would never know. A lot of people showing up on the “no fly” lists are ordinary Americans who were critical of the administration. We have absolutly no reason to believe for an instant that the warrantless wiretaps have anything to do with terrorism. If they are simply listening in on terrorists, what’s wrong with getting a retroactive warrant?

And there are a lot of right wing Republicans who are mighty pissed about this. It’s far from moot and far from over.

]]> By: apostle http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/02/06/aclu-welcomes-senate-inquiry-into-warrantless-nsa-spying-program-with-full-page-propaganda/comment-page-1/#comment-46249 apostle Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:33:13 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/02/06/aclu-welcomes-senate-inquiry-into-warrantless-nsa-spying-program-with-full-page-propaganda/#comment-46249 President Bush never said that he broke the law, that is a fabrication. Also, no one has shown or proven where he did break the law. The NSA always has been a military organization, one reason why its almost impossible to do field work without prior military experience. The wiretaps are eavesdropping on terrorists from the outside calling into the U.S. Leftists need to stop twisting the debate to make it sound like Bush is just tapping U.S. citizen phones at random. "Here is an idea, following the damn laws that are already on the books instead of creating your own." If the left can create laws to kill babies, we can create laws to protect our country. The point is moot anyway, since the NSA is a military organization and Bush is the Commander In Chief. President Bush never said that he broke the law, that is a fabrication. Also, no one has shown or proven where he did break the law. The NSA always has been a military organization, one reason why its almost impossible to do field work without prior military experience. The wiretaps are eavesdropping on terrorists from the outside calling into the U.S. Leftists need to stop twisting the debate to make it sound like Bush is just tapping U.S. citizen phones at random.

“Here is an idea, following the damn laws that are already on the books instead of creating your own.”

If the left can create laws to kill babies, we can create laws to protect our country. The point is moot anyway, since the NSA is a military organization and Bush is the Commander In Chief.

]]> By: Expose the Left » ACLU Releases Ad Against Gonzales BEFORE Hearing http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/02/06/aclu-welcomes-senate-inquiry-into-warrantless-nsa-spying-program-with-full-page-propaganda/comment-page-1/#comment-46232 Expose the Left » ACLU Releases Ad Against Gonzales BEFORE Hearing Tue, 07 Feb 2006 03:46:20 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/02/06/aclu-welcomes-senate-inquiry-into-warrantless-nsa-spying-program-with-full-page-propaganda/#comment-46232 [...] Click for larger image. [...] [...] Click for larger image. [...]

]]> By: Blue Star Chronicles http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/02/06/aclu-welcomes-senate-inquiry-into-warrantless-nsa-spying-program-with-full-page-propaganda/comment-page-1/#comment-46233 Blue Star Chronicles Tue, 07 Feb 2006 02:26:55 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/02/06/aclu-welcomes-senate-inquiry-into-warrantless-nsa-spying-program-with-full-page-propaganda/#comment-46233 <strong>The End of Reason</strong> As with many things, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. In this case, it?s in the Koran. What should also be understood is the fact that these are the people we are attempting to deal with worldwide. In Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, ... The End of Reason
As with many things, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. In this case, it?s in the Koran. What should also be understood is the fact that these are the people we are attempting to deal with worldwide. In Iraq, Palestine, Afghanistan, …

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