I doubt that I get any takers!

Swede1

Then I served 8 years in the Marine Corps.

What does that make me, a commie pinko leftist, or a patriot? I’d say I know more about being patriotic than most.

“cheesy straw man argument noted”

Any comparison that makes the Left’s stance look upsurd is a strawman.

Garbage. Fully in line with the dominionist, Christian Reconstructionist party line. Go ahead and help them achieve their goals. I have a feeling you won’t like their totlitarian rule as much as you think you will.

As they strip you of all your civil liberties, you can take comfort in one thing, though. If they ever achieve power, members of the ACLU will all be dead or in prison.

Forced religion violates both Christianity and freedom of conscience. If you love either Christianity or freedom, you will oppose any mixing of government and religion.

“Also, if we go by that standard, students don’t have to listen to anything a teacher says, and forcing them to violates their civil liberties.”

cheesy straw man argument noted

They are forced to listen, not practice religion. Therefore it does not violate the establishment clause. Also, if we go by that standard, students don’t have to listen to anything a teacher says, and forcing them to violates their civil liberties.

“It’s not just rude and arrogant and in violation of several Christian principles, it’s unconstitutional.”

It wasn’t un-Constitutional before and it isn’t now, unless you are now going to advocate that the founding fathers violated their own Constitution.

So you want Terrorists to have the same rights under OUR Constitution that we do? They defend terrorists plain and simple.
The people at Gitmo have no rights what so ever under our Constitution they are Enemy combantants they are NOT American Citizens. They are not charged because we are at WAR they are not under arrest they are illegal enemy combantants.Maybe you would perfere that they are released to live in your Neighborhood or sent back over seas to kill more inocent people in their own countries?

If the result of not showing respect for the flag is violence, how is that freedom? Isn’t that type of violence normally defined as assault in our legal system? Isn’t that sort of reaction a hallmark of oppressive governments?

Admittedly, the ability to not stand for the pledge isn’t nearly as significant as, say, “free speech zones” in terms of actual rights. Still, it’s absurd to require it (especially if the child isn’t going to actually pledge his allegiance to the nation), and even more so to threaten those who don’t.

As for how the religion thing got in there, that’s mostly a result apostle’s posts. Sorry, that was a very much misdirected question on my part.

To apostle, now. It seems a bit off to allow, say, the valedictorian to pray at graduation. What if this valedictorian was Islamic? Would you still have no problem with it? How about if the valedictorian belonged to the Church of Satan? Those are both legitimate religions (and the second isn’t much like people seem to think it is). If you would take issue with either of those, then why don’t you have a problem with another religion doing the same?

If you can’t disrespect the flag it is a meaningless symbol. It might as well have a hammer and sickle on it or a star and crescent.

I don’t want to live in the countries represented by those symbols and I won’t live under their rules in this one.