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	<title>Comments on: Fredericksburg City Counsilman Fights For Right To Pray In Jesus Name</title>
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		<title>By: Chimp Trainer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chimp Trainer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 17:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mescalero: citizens’ vigilance committees ?

	Oh please. Will you and the rest of your ZOG-fighting brethren please put on clean underwear and get some therapy ?

	It&#039;s too bad that for real conservatives like me, our movement has the great unwashed like you for its poster children. At least liberals can spell. I quote your post, which you wrote with no discernible sense of irony:

	&quot;You’re too friggin stupid to figure out that we’re fed up with your corrupt manipulations with the murderer Ted Kennedy and the indentity thief Chuck Shummer!!!&quot;

	One &#039;n&#039; in identity, champ; one &#039;m&#039; in Schumer. And a &#039;c&#039;, too, if you don&#039;t mind. And what on earth are you speaking of ?

	As for the ACLU attacking Christianity: well, Jesus is a big boy. He can take care of himself. The ACLU attacks bigotry and narrowmindedness. So I can see why you feel put upon.

	Have fun with your little &#039;citizen&#039;s vigilance committee,&#039; you great baboon. And remember, it&#039;s never too late to learn phonics.</description>
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<p>	Oh please. Will you and the rest of your ZOG-fighting brethren please put on clean underwear and get some therapy ?</p>
<p>	It&#8217;s too bad that for real conservatives like me, our movement has the great unwashed like you for its poster children. At least liberals can spell. I quote your post, which you wrote with no discernible sense of irony:</p>
<p>	&#8220;You’re too friggin stupid to figure out that we’re fed up with your corrupt manipulations with the murderer Ted Kennedy and the indentity thief Chuck Shummer!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>	One &#8216;n&#8217; in identity, champ; one &#8216;m&#8217; in Schumer. And a &#8216;c&#8217;, too, if you don&#8217;t mind. And what on earth are you speaking of ?</p>
<p>	As for the ACLU attacking Christianity: well, Jesus is a big boy. He can take care of himself. The ACLU attacks bigotry and narrowmindedness. So I can see why you feel put upon.</p>
<p>	Have fun with your little &#8216;citizen&#8217;s vigilance committee,&#8217; you great baboon. And remember, it&#8217;s never too late to learn phonics.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Furr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Furr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 18:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[&quot;They don&#039;t sue to stop all prayer, but in every case the target has been Christian prayer.&quot;]



	Why is it that, as Christ preached honesty, too many Christian leaders must use deceit to further their beliefs?



	In the first place, they were not and are not attacking the Christian religion. The point was to bar government from promulgating &quot;sectarian&quot; prayer of any kind. To say they were attacking Christianity is a dishonest spin of the facts.



	And from the Family Research Council website: [&quot;The Fredericksburg City Council&#039;s new prayer policy, however, now bans opening prayers only if they mention Jesus&#039; name.&quot; and, &quot;Once again, the ACLU &quot;bristles with hostility&quot; to the Christian religion.&quot;]



	The City Council&#039;s new policy does not ban prayer only if it mentions Jesus. It bans sectarian prayer (the mention of any particular religious figure, such as Brahma, Buddha, Mohammad, etc. Nor does the council ban anyone from saying a prayer. Councilman Hashmel Turner may continue saying opening meeting with prayer so log as it is not sectarian. As an arm of the government, the First Amendment disallows Turner from recognizing/furthering a particular religion.



	Further, it is dishonest to state that the ACLU &quot;&#039;bristles with hostility&#039; to the Christian religion. Note the following:

	http://www.aclu.org/religion/frb/16040prs20020417.html

	ACLU of Rhode Island Files Appeal on Behalf of Christian Prisoner Barred from Preaching at Religious Services

	ACLU of Michigan Defends Catholic Man Coerced to Convert to Pentecostal Faith in Drug Rehab Program

	ACLU Files Lawsuit to Protect Religious Liberty of Imprisoned Asylum Seeker

	There are more of which you can research.

	The only reason why the ACLU seems to go after Christians more is that this country is by far predomanatly Christian, and being the dominate religion, too many times we try to use the power of government to advance our beliefs. Shouldn&#039;t Christians value honesty?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>["They don't sue to stop all prayer, but in every case the target has been Christian prayer."]</p>
<p>	Why is it that, as Christ preached honesty, too many Christian leaders must use deceit to further their beliefs?</p>
<p>	In the first place, they were not and are not attacking the Christian religion. The point was to bar government from promulgating &#8220;sectarian&#8221; prayer of any kind. To say they were attacking Christianity is a dishonest spin of the facts.</p>
<p>	And from the Family Research Council website: ["The Fredericksburg City Council's new prayer policy, however, now bans opening prayers only if they mention Jesus' name." and, "Once again, the ACLU "bristles with hostility" to the Christian religion."]</p>
<p>	The City Council&#8217;s new policy does not ban prayer only if it mentions Jesus. It bans sectarian prayer (the mention of any particular religious figure, such as Brahma, Buddha, Mohammad, etc. Nor does the council ban anyone from saying a prayer. Councilman Hashmel Turner may continue saying opening meeting with prayer so log as it is not sectarian. As an arm of the government, the First Amendment disallows Turner from recognizing/furthering a particular religion.</p>
<p>	Further, it is dishonest to state that the ACLU &#8220;&#8216;bristles with hostility&#8217; to the Christian religion. Note the following:</p>
<p>	<a href="http://www.aclu.org/religion/frb/16040prs20020417.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.aclu.org/religion/frb/16040prs20020417.html</a></p>
<p>	ACLU of Rhode Island Files Appeal on Behalf of Christian Prisoner Barred from Preaching at Religious Services</p>
<p>	ACLU of Michigan Defends Catholic Man Coerced to Convert to Pentecostal Faith in Drug Rehab Program</p>
<p>	ACLU Files Lawsuit to Protect Religious Liberty of Imprisoned Asylum Seeker</p>
<p>	There are more of which you can research.</p>
<p>	The only reason why the ACLU seems to go after Christians more is that this country is by far predomanatly Christian, and being the dominate religion, too many times we try to use the power of government to advance our beliefs. Shouldn&#8217;t Christians value honesty?</p>
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		<title>By: The Paladin Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Paladin Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2006 17:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The ACLU&#039;s Latest Hate Attack &lt;/strong&gt;
	From the brave folks at Stop The ACLU:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The ACLU&#8217;s Latest Hate Attack </strong><br />
	From the brave folks at Stop The ACLU:</p>
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		<title>By: Chief RZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chief RZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Add my name in.  They are communists and it is crazy for my taxes to go to any of their &quot;lawyers&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Add my name in.  They are communists and it is crazy for my taxes to go to any of their &#8220;lawyers&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: ACLU is at it again &#38;#38;#187; 4thelittleguy.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>ACLU is at it again &#38;#38;#187; 4thelittleguy.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 05:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] From Stop the ACLU Fredericksburg City Councilman Hashmel Turner has filed suit against his fellow council members, saying the council’s newly adopted prayer policy violates his constitutional rights. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] From Stop the ACLU Fredericksburg City Councilman Hashmel Turner has filed suit against his fellow council members, saying the council’s newly adopted prayer policy violates his constitutional rights. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: apostle</title>
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		<dc:creator>apostle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 02:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay: See my last post on the previous thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay: See my last post on the previous thread.</p>
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		<title>By: apostle</title>
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		<dc:creator>apostle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 02:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you can show me what you&#039;ve contributed then, since my life is soooo worthless? Didn&#039;t think so. By the way, the attempt to convert Indians did and has been working out fine. Not sure what you&#039;re trying to prove there. But as far as a life being of value or worthless, I wonder how you&#039;ve set yourself up as an authority on that subject? Right and wrong, good and bad, beautiful and ugly, are all obsolete in your world. Oh, I get it. Your great great granddaddy King Kong taught the first humans right from wrong. I know, you don&#039;t need a &quot;sky-god&quot; to teach you right from wrong. Everyone with common sense and decency knows right from wrong. Which is why the world is peaceful, and everyone loves one another, huh?

	If your life was so great, you wouldn&#039;t waste it spending nights on the internet trying to make everyone else feel bad about theirs. I know its lonely in oblivion, but a decent person wouldn&#039;t want to drag others into their loathsome pit of meaninglessness. You really need to toughen up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you can show me what you&#8217;ve contributed then, since my life is soooo worthless? Didn&#8217;t think so. By the way, the attempt to convert Indians did and has been working out fine. Not sure what you&#8217;re trying to prove there. But as far as a life being of value or worthless, I wonder how you&#8217;ve set yourself up as an authority on that subject? Right and wrong, good and bad, beautiful and ugly, are all obsolete in your world. Oh, I get it. Your great great granddaddy King Kong taught the first humans right from wrong. I know, you don&#8217;t need a &#8220;sky-god&#8221; to teach you right from wrong. Everyone with common sense and decency knows right from wrong. Which is why the world is peaceful, and everyone loves one another, huh?</p>
<p>	If your life was so great, you wouldn&#8217;t waste it spending nights on the internet trying to make everyone else feel bad about theirs. I know its lonely in oblivion, but a decent person wouldn&#8217;t want to drag others into their loathsome pit of meaninglessness. You really need to toughen up.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam's Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Stop the ACLU Blog Burst: Saying the Name of Jesus&lt;/strong&gt;
	From Jay at Stop the ACLU

	It is happening all across the nation.  The ACLU sue city counsil after city counsil over praying in Jesus name.  They don&#38;#8217;t sue to stop all prayer, but in every case the target has been Christian prayer.  They even f...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Stop the ACLU Blog Burst: Saying the Name of Jesus</strong><br />
	From Jay at Stop the ACLU</p>
<p>	It is happening all across the nation.  The ACLU sue city counsil after city counsil over praying in Jesus name.  They don&#38;#38;#8217;t sue to stop all prayer, but in every case the target has been Christian prayer.  They even f&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: A Lady's Ruminations</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Lady's Ruminations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Stop the ACLU Thursday&lt;/strong&gt;
	Please, join us in our fight to stop the ACLU from taking over our beloved country.</description>
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	Please, join us in our fight to stop the ACLU from taking over our beloved country.</p>
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		<title>By: Where's my Haldol?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Where's my Haldol?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love how you refer to the supposed conversion to Christianity of American Indians with every post. How did that eventually work out?

	&quot;Sure. You want people to believe they are biological accidents, and have no real value, but I’m the bigoted one.&quot;

	Yes, you are. You&#039;re a homophobe. Keep complaining about the mistreatment of Christians even while many of those selfsame douche bags are forever trying to bar gays from certain jobs, keep them from having monogamous and intimate relationships, and more.

	Evolution doesn&#039;t imply that people are &quot;biological accidents&quot; (insemination and impregnation has something to do with the production of people, no?) or that their lives are without value, although I&#039;m not surprised that you, with your absent grasp on science, believe that it does. But even if this were the case, so what? Does that fact that we&#039;re not here for any higher purpose or to serve nonexistent, ugly, psychotic skygods imply that we can&#039;t make anything of ourselves and our lives? Of course not.

	I have no quarter with the supernatural creations of human beings, and my life is great; you believe you were put here by God, and your life is still worthless. What does that tell you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love how you refer to the supposed conversion to Christianity of American Indians with every post. How did that eventually work out?</p>
<p>	&#8220;Sure. You want people to believe they are biological accidents, and have no real value, but I’m the bigoted one.&#8221;</p>
<p>	Yes, you are. You&#8217;re a homophobe. Keep complaining about the mistreatment of Christians even while many of those selfsame douche bags are forever trying to bar gays from certain jobs, keep them from having monogamous and intimate relationships, and more.</p>
<p>	Evolution doesn&#8217;t imply that people are &#8220;biological accidents&#8221; (insemination and impregnation has something to do with the production of people, no?) or that their lives are without value, although I&#8217;m not surprised that you, with your absent grasp on science, believe that it does. But even if this were the case, so what? Does that fact that we&#8217;re not here for any higher purpose or to serve nonexistent, ugly, psychotic skygods imply that we can&#8217;t make anything of ourselves and our lives? Of course not.</p>
<p>	I have no quarter with the supernatural creations of human beings, and my life is great; you believe you were put here by God, and your life is still worthless. What does that tell you?</p>
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