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		<title>By: apostle</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/10/what-does-separation-of-church-and-state-really-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-44258</link>
		<dc:creator>apostle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where&#039;s My Haldol: Yes, I know what partial birth aboriton means.

	&quot;Partial birth abortion makes up a tiny fraction...&quot;

	Who cares? It shouldn&#039;t happen at all.

	&quot;and are only performed when the mother&#039;s health is at risk.&quot;

	Oh, so that&#039;s why they crack the back of the child&#039;s head open like an eggshell as it comes out, or stab it in the head with scissors as it makes its way from the womb. Because they can&#039;t save the mother any other way than that, even with all the &quot;genius&quot; biologists we have.

	&quot;forcing other students to along with sectarian prayers...&quot;

	You&#039;ll have to look up forced in the dictionary for deranged evolutionists I guess. Leading a prayer in school does not force anyone to pray. You pray along if you want to. What students are forced to do is TOLERATE it, the same way we Christians are forced to tolerate everyone else&#039;s nonsense. Tolerate is a word liberals like to use yet never practice. There is nothing in the law preventing a student from leading prayer in school or doing an altar call even. There is law (the Constitution) that says the government (which includes government funded establishments like the DEP) cannot trample someone&#039;s religious expression.

	As I said before, this could all be solved by yanking the funding from the DEP, which never should have been there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where&#8217;s My Haldol: Yes, I know what partial birth aboriton means.</p>
<p>	&#8220;Partial birth abortion makes up a tiny fraction&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>	Who cares? It shouldn&#8217;t happen at all.</p>
<p>	&#8220;and are only performed when the mother&#8217;s health is at risk.&#8221;</p>
<p>	Oh, so that&#8217;s why they crack the back of the child&#8217;s head open like an eggshell as it comes out, or stab it in the head with scissors as it makes its way from the womb. Because they can&#8217;t save the mother any other way than that, even with all the &#8220;genius&#8221; biologists we have.</p>
<p>	&#8220;forcing other students to along with sectarian prayers&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>	You&#8217;ll have to look up forced in the dictionary for deranged evolutionists I guess. Leading a prayer in school does not force anyone to pray. You pray along if you want to. What students are forced to do is TOLERATE it, the same way we Christians are forced to tolerate everyone else&#8217;s nonsense. Tolerate is a word liberals like to use yet never practice. There is nothing in the law preventing a student from leading prayer in school or doing an altar call even. There is law (the Constitution) that says the government (which includes government funded establishments like the DEP) cannot trample someone&#8217;s religious expression.</p>
<p>	As I said before, this could all be solved by yanking the funding from the DEP, which never should have been there.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/10/what-does-separation-of-church-and-state-really-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-44259</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can you FORCE someone to pray?  I am against this.  Are they putting guns to people&#039;s heads, or chopping their heads off it they don&#039;t pray to Allah?  Who is forcing people to pray. I would like to know.

	It certainly isn&#039;t a kid at a graduation ceremony expressing their religion.  If you don&#039;t like it, don&#039;t listen.  Put your fingers in your ears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can you FORCE someone to pray?  I am against this.  Are they putting guns to people&#8217;s heads, or chopping their heads off it they don&#8217;t pray to Allah?  Who is forcing people to pray. I would like to know.</p>
<p>	It certainly isn&#8217;t a kid at a graduation ceremony expressing their religion.  If you don&#8217;t like it, don&#8217;t listen.  Put your fingers in your ears.</p>
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		<title>By: Where's my Haldol?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Where's my Haldol?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Preventing someone from leading a prayer at high school is absolutley violating someone’s religious freedom.&quot;

	If someone wants to pray on his or her own in school, and can do so without disrupting anything, that&#039;s fine. But forcing other students to go along with sectarian prayers being &quot;led&quot; by someone else is a clear violation of *their* religious freedom.

	A moment of silence to so with as students wish is fine. A group chant to specifically give thanks to Yahweh, God, Allah, Thor or Shiva is not.

	&quot;Btwl, abortion can happen 2 months after conception. Ever heard of partial birth abortion?&quot;

	I hope you don&#039;t think that an abortion performed at 2 months&#039; gestation is a partial-birth abortion, but given your whimsical ideas about various aspects of biological science, you probably do.

	Partial-birth abortions make up a tiny fraction of all elective abortions and are only performed when the mother&#039;s health is at risk. The hysterical anti-abortion crowd naturally ignores this, along with the fact that about 9 in 10 abortions are performed in the first 10 weeks of pregnancy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Preventing someone from leading a prayer at high school is absolutley violating someone’s religious freedom.&#8221;</p>
<p>	If someone wants to pray on his or her own in school, and can do so without disrupting anything, that&#8217;s fine. But forcing other students to go along with sectarian prayers being &#8220;led&#8221; by someone else is a clear violation of *their* religious freedom.</p>
<p>	A moment of silence to so with as students wish is fine. A group chant to specifically give thanks to Yahweh, God, Allah, Thor or Shiva is not.</p>
<p>	&#8220;Btwl, abortion can happen 2 months after conception. Ever heard of partial birth abortion?&#8221;</p>
<p>	I hope you don&#8217;t think that an abortion performed at 2 months&#8217; gestation is a partial-birth abortion, but given your whimsical ideas about various aspects of biological science, you probably do.</p>
<p>	Partial-birth abortions make up a tiny fraction of all elective abortions and are only performed when the mother&#8217;s health is at risk. The hysterical anti-abortion crowd naturally ignores this, along with the fact that about 9 in 10 abortions are performed in the first 10 weeks of pregnancy.</p>
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		<title>By: apostle</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/10/what-does-separation-of-church-and-state-really-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-44261</link>
		<dc:creator>apostle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preventing someone from leading a prayer at high school is absolutley violating someone&#039;s religious freedom. Yes, freedom means free. The only enforcment went it comes to religion as allowed by the Constitution is regulating the government from making religion law. Period. Your comparison to sex is ridiculous. There is a freedom of religion clause. There is not a freedom of sex clause. We have decency laws prohibiting sex from public places. We have no decency laws prohibiting prayer from public places.

	Btwl, abortion can happen 2 months after conception. Ever heard of partial birth abortion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preventing someone from leading a prayer at high school is absolutley violating someone&#8217;s religious freedom. Yes, freedom means free. The only enforcment went it comes to religion as allowed by the Constitution is regulating the government from making religion law. Period. Your comparison to sex is ridiculous. There is a freedom of religion clause. There is not a freedom of sex clause. We have decency laws prohibiting sex from public places. We have no decency laws prohibiting prayer from public places.</p>
<p>	Btwl, abortion can happen 2 months after conception. Ever heard of partial birth abortion?</p>
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		<title>By: John Bambenek</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Bambenek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure they are legal, but they aren&#039;t mandatory, and that&#039;s my point.  If you are seriously pro-life you want government intervention to limit us from working in entire industries so that an orthodoxy can be enforced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure they are legal, but they aren&#8217;t mandatory, and that&#8217;s my point.  If you are seriously pro-life you want government intervention to limit us from working in entire industries so that an orthodoxy can be enforced.</p>
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		<title>By: Where's my Haldol?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Where's my Haldol?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, those &quot;death pills to kill babies&quot; (you don&#039;t have a grasp on physiology, but you&#039;ve got the standard anti-abortion demagoguery down pat) are legal in the United States, so if a pharmacist finds his conscience troubled when filling prescriptions for these &quot;death pills,&quot; he should find a new job. You don&#039;t see people ethically opposed to slaughtering animals for meat working in butcher shops, and there&#039;s a good reason for this.

	Something tells me pharmacists are well aware of OCP before gaining licensure and seeking employment. The bottom line is that if someone&#039;s conscience runs afoul of the law, it&#039;s not the law that has the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, those &#8220;death pills to kill babies&#8221; (you don&#8217;t have a grasp on physiology, but you&#8217;ve got the standard anti-abortion demagoguery down pat) are legal in the United States, so if a pharmacist finds his conscience troubled when filling prescriptions for these &#8220;death pills,&#8221; he should find a new job. You don&#8217;t see people ethically opposed to slaughtering animals for meat working in butcher shops, and there&#8217;s a good reason for this.</p>
<p>	Something tells me pharmacists are well aware of OCP before gaining licensure and seeking employment. The bottom line is that if someone&#8217;s conscience runs afoul of the law, it&#8217;s not the law that has the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike B.</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/10/what-does-separation-of-church-and-state-really-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-44264</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Death pills to kill babies.  That&#039;s a good one.

	I particularly enjoy the &#039;abortion stops a beating heart bumper stickers&#039;, even though the heart isn&#039;t formed for at least 9 weeks.  That&#039;s 2+ months into the pregnancy.

	Anyhow, decent post with the exception of the phrasing &quot;expression of religion&quot; referred to many times.  The first amendment says &quot;Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.&quot;

	Is preventing someone from leading a prayer at a high school graduation preventing them from excercising their religion?  How would the removal of the ten commandments affect the free exercise of anyone&#039;s religion?  What does free mean?  You can do it anywhere?  Sex is legal, but you can&#039;t do it anywhere...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Death pills to kill babies.  That&#8217;s a good one.</p>
<p>	I particularly enjoy the &#8216;abortion stops a beating heart bumper stickers&#8217;, even though the heart isn&#8217;t formed for at least 9 weeks.  That&#8217;s 2+ months into the pregnancy.</p>
<p>	Anyhow, decent post with the exception of the phrasing &#8220;expression of religion&#8221; referred to many times.  The first amendment says &#8220;Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.&#8221;</p>
<p>	Is preventing someone from leading a prayer at a high school graduation preventing them from excercising their religion?  How would the removal of the ten commandments affect the free exercise of anyone&#8217;s religion?  What does free mean?  You can do it anywhere?  Sex is legal, but you can&#8217;t do it anywhere&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Bambenek</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/10/what-does-separation-of-church-and-state-really-mean/comment-page-1/#comment-44265</link>
		<dc:creator>John Bambenek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We aren&#039;t talking about working on mondays we are talking about matters of conscience.

	A company cannot force an employee to come in on Sunday, for instance, if their religion prohibits it, yes.  If they are hiring for a position that requires Sunday work and don&#039;t hire someone because they can&#039;t work that day, it&#039;s valid.

	However, providing death pills to kill babies is a far cry from scheduling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We aren&#8217;t talking about working on mondays we are talking about matters of conscience.</p>
<p>	A company cannot force an employee to come in on Sunday, for instance, if their religion prohibits it, yes.  If they are hiring for a position that requires Sunday work and don&#8217;t hire someone because they can&#8217;t work that day, it&#8217;s valid.</p>
<p>	However, providing death pills to kill babies is a far cry from scheduling.</p>
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		<title>By: Where's my Haldol?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Where's my Haldol?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Except that discrimination on the basis of religion is illegal.&quot;

	Try to convince any court in the United States (excluding Texas, I suppose) that asking a religiously pro-life pharmacist to perform his or her job as plainly spelled out in company policy -- and sanctioning hiom or her as a result of failing to do so -- is &quot;illegal discrimination.&quot;

	What about people whose religion forbids them to work on Mondays? If they take a nine-to-five and then refuse to come to work on Mondays, and wind up getting canned as a result, is this also illegal discrimination? Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Except that discrimination on the basis of religion is illegal.&#8221;</p>
<p>	Try to convince any court in the United States (excluding Texas, I suppose) that asking a religiously pro-life pharmacist to perform his or her job as plainly spelled out in company policy &#8212; and sanctioning hiom or her as a result of failing to do so &#8212; is &#8220;illegal discrimination.&#8221;</p>
<p>	What about people whose religion forbids them to work on Mondays? If they take a nine-to-five and then refuse to come to work on Mondays, and wind up getting canned as a result, is this also illegal discrimination? Please.</p>
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		<title>By: John Bambenek</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Bambenek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except that discrimination on the basis of religion is illegal.

	There are thousands of perscriptions that pharmacists fill.  We&#039;re talking about maybe 3.  Hamstrung is a little excessive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except that discrimination on the basis of religion is illegal.</p>
<p>	There are thousands of perscriptions that pharmacists fill.  We&#8217;re talking about maybe 3.  Hamstrung is a little excessive.</p>
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