Comments on: Americans United Threaten School Over Intelligent Design http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/09/americans-united-threaten-school-over-intelligent-design/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:01:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: tedhohio@yahoo.com http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/09/americans-united-threaten-school-over-intelligent-design/comment-page-2/#comment-44208 tedhohio@yahoo.com Mon, 16 Jan 2006 00:49:34 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/01/09/americans-united-threaten-school-over-intelligent-design/#comment-44208 Tim, I know you don't want to drag us into a debate but I will say that IF everything is in place to follow God's plan and the Earth appears to be billions of years old because God made it that way -- then who are we to disagree with God's plan. Obviously God had a reason to make the world and the Universe appear the way it does. Doesn't it follow that we should continue our investigations, since they lead where God wills? Denying his plan and refusing the recognize the 'science' which is attempting to explain things seems more against that plan. So with that argument you are making, ID still fails to live up to its billing. Either God wants us to investigate or we should shut our eyes and not examine the wonders of the univese. Hmmmmmm eyes open or mind shut, Sorry Tim I'll allow God to chew me out at the pearly gates rather than allowing some 'apostle' with obviously a singular point of view use crummy arguments to force me to think things even most Christians, including several Popes, have denied to be true. ID still does not belong in a science classroom no matter how many times proponents lie and mislead (Dover School Board and the teacher in California for example) in order to control the thinking processes of students. Tim,
I know you don’t want to drag us into a debate but I will say that IF everything is in place to follow God’s plan and the Earth appears to be billions of years old because God made it that way — then who are we to disagree with God’s plan. Obviously God had a reason to make the world and the Universe appear the way it does. Doesn’t it follow that we should continue our investigations, since they lead where God wills? Denying his plan and refusing the recognize the ’science’ which is attempting to explain things seems more against that plan. So with that argument you are making, ID still fails to live up to its billing. Either God wants us to investigate or we should shut our eyes and not examine the wonders of the univese.

Hmmmmmm eyes open or mind shut, Sorry Tim I’ll allow God to chew me out at the pearly gates rather than allowing some ‘apostle’ with obviously a singular point of view use crummy arguments to force me to think things even most Christians, including several Popes, have denied to be true. ID still does not belong in a science classroom no matter how many times proponents lie and mislead (Dover School Board and the teacher in California for example) in order to control the thinking processes of students.

]]> By: Tim http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/09/americans-united-threaten-school-over-intelligent-design/comment-page-2/#comment-44195 Tim Sat, 14 Jan 2006 15:23:13 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/01/09/americans-united-threaten-school-over-intelligent-design/#comment-44195 I don't want to get sucked in to this whole debate,but I would like to point out some things. First off the Bilble states that the things that are seen are made from the things that are unseen. This is an amazing statement to be made almost 2,000 years ago. Wheres my haldol gives an example of evolution with wolves, coyotes and dogs. This is not evolution, interbreeding between similiar species happens all the time. No one can deny that adaptation exists, this sort of change can take place in a few short years to thousands of years. Evolution on the other hand, the actual changing of one species into another is impossible no matter how much time elapses. God said let the earth bring forth the living creature according to it's kind... each according to its kind. And it was so. Gen: 1:24 As for carbon dating, it will show the earth to be billions of years old in the same way that if a doctor were to examine Adam and Eve the day after they were created, he would conclude that he was looking at a couple who would presumably be in their late teens to early twenties, even though they have only been around for one day. As for all the hype over how intelligent someone is with their degrees, the Bible clearly states. For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent." 1 Cor:18-19 I would like to say to Mr. Haldol that even though you have hardened your heart towards God, he still loves you so much that he gave his only son to die in your place on the cross, so that you can have eternal life with him in heaven if you so chose. Thank you for your time and GOD BLESS YOU ALL. I don’t want to get sucked in to this whole debate,but I would like to point out some things. First off the Bilble states that the things that are seen are made from the things that are unseen. This is an amazing statement to be made almost 2,000 years ago. Wheres my haldol gives an example of evolution with wolves, coyotes and dogs. This is not evolution, interbreeding between similiar species happens all the time. No one can deny that adaptation exists, this sort of change can take place in a few short years to thousands of years. Evolution on the other hand, the actual changing of one species into another is impossible no matter how much time elapses. God said let the earth bring forth the living creature according to it’s kind… each according to its kind. And it was so. Gen: 1:24
As for carbon dating, it will show the earth to be billions of years old in the same way that if a doctor were to examine Adam and Eve the day after they were created, he would conclude that he was looking at a couple who would presumably be in their late teens to early twenties, even though they have only been around for one day. As for all the hype over how intelligent someone is with their degrees, the Bible clearly states. For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.” 1 Cor:18-19 I would like to say to Mr. Haldol that even though you have hardened your heart towards God, he still loves you so much that he gave his only son to die in your place on the cross, so that you can have eternal life with him in heaven if you so chose. Thank you for your time and GOD BLESS YOU ALL.

]]> By: tedhohio@yahoo.com http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/09/americans-united-threaten-school-over-intelligent-design/comment-page-2/#comment-44207 tedhohio@yahoo.com Sat, 14 Jan 2006 01:24:34 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/01/09/americans-united-threaten-school-over-intelligent-design/#comment-44207 Interesting that once my position was clear. my posts from my oroginal email addy were being rejected as SPAM. Interesting that once my position was clear. my posts from my oroginal email addy were being rejected as SPAM.

]]> By: Bill from Dover http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/09/americans-united-threaten-school-over-intelligent-design/comment-page-2/#comment-44206 Bill from Dover Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:19:30 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/01/09/americans-united-threaten-school-over-intelligent-design/#comment-44206 "This whole battle simply does not excite me." And this is why you are buying your cars from Japan & China. America is falling behind the rest of the world in science & technology so far that we may never catch up. Especially when we revert to a 2000 year text book. “This whole battle simply does not excite me.”

And this is why you are buying your cars from Japan & China. America is falling behind the rest of the world in science & technology so far that we may never catch up. Especially when we revert to a 2000 year text book.

]]> By: The Politburo Diktat » Blog Archive » Creationist Morons Strike Again http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/09/americans-united-threaten-school-over-intelligent-design/comment-page-2/#comment-44205 The Politburo Diktat » Blog Archive » Creationist Morons Strike Again Thu, 12 Jan 2006 19:06:22 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/01/09/americans-united-threaten-school-over-intelligent-design/#comment-44205 [...] On the second aspect, efforts to promote religion in our public schools (and elsewhere) are ongoing. I suppose, in the perspective of some, there is an ongoing effort by secularists like the ACLU to suppress religion. *sigh* This whole battle simply does not excite me. Whether or not a town has a creche in the park and whether or not a co-display of a menorah, a Santa Claus, or a “Happy Secular Holiday” sign ameliorates such alleged religious aspect simply doesn’t do it for me. Let Bill O’Reilly and the ACLU battle it out. [...] [...] On the second aspect, efforts to promote religion in our public schools (and elsewhere) are ongoing. I suppose, in the perspective of some, there is an ongoing effort by secularists like the ACLU to suppress religion. *sigh* This whole battle simply does not excite me. Whether or not a town has a creche in the park and whether or not a co-display of a menorah, a Santa Claus, or a “Happy Secular Holiday” sign ameliorates such alleged religious aspect simply doesn’t do it for me. Let Bill O’Reilly and the ACLU battle it out. [...]

]]> By: Ted Herrlit http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/09/americans-united-threaten-school-over-intelligent-design/comment-page-2/#comment-44143 Ted Herrlit Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:46:17 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/01/09/americans-united-threaten-school-over-intelligent-design/#comment-44143 Apostle preached: "If gravity were a theory, this would be so. But since its called the LAW of gravity, this sarcastic scenario you have illustrated makes no sense. Scientists, as in people who study science and don’t just play scientist on the internet, refer to evolution as a theory. Gravity is a law. There’s the difference." Apostle, apostle, apostle, just what planet do you live on? Gravity hasn't been referred to as a Law since Einstein's theory of relativity replaced Newton's "Law" of gravity. Any current reference to gravity being a Law certainly isn't being done in scientific circles. That should also explain why science works and pet concepts like Intelligent Design don't. Proof, experimentation, and observation are tools that can cause one theory to be replaced by a better one. This has happened many times and to many scientific theories. They are called theories because very few things ever reach the level of proof to be considered constants or laws. Think of science as Evolution in Action! Among recent theories explaining gravity include: -- Brans-Dicke theory of gravity -- Rosen bi-metric theory of gravity -- In the modified Newtonian dynamics (MOND), Mordehai Milgrom proposes a modification of Newton's Second Law of motion for small accelerations. Come on Apostle, keep pitching them slow balls, they are so easy to hit out of the park. Apostle preached: “If gravity were a theory, this would be so. But since its called the LAW of gravity, this sarcastic scenario you have illustrated makes no sense. Scientists, as in people who study science and don’t just play scientist on the internet, refer to evolution as a theory. Gravity is a law. There’s the difference.”

Apostle, apostle, apostle, just what planet do you live on? Gravity hasn’t been referred to as a Law since Einstein’s theory of relativity replaced Newton’s “Law” of gravity. Any current reference to gravity being a Law certainly isn’t being done in scientific circles.

That should also explain why science works and pet concepts like Intelligent Design don’t. Proof, experimentation, and observation are tools that can cause one theory to be replaced by a better one. This has happened many times and to many scientific theories. They are called theories because very few things ever reach the level of proof to be considered constants or laws. Think of science as Evolution in Action!

Among recent theories explaining gravity include:
– Brans-Dicke theory of gravity
– Rosen bi-metric theory of gravity
– In the modified Newtonian dynamics (MOND), Mordehai Milgrom proposes a modification of Newton’s Second Law of motion for small accelerations.

Come on Apostle, keep pitching them slow balls, they are so easy to hit out of the park.

]]> By: apostle http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/09/americans-united-threaten-school-over-intelligent-design/comment-page-2/#comment-44162 apostle Thu, 12 Jan 2006 04:34:43 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/01/09/americans-united-threaten-school-over-intelligent-design/#comment-44162 Thanks for proving my point. Thanks for proving my point.

]]> By: The Uncooperative Blogger http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/09/americans-united-threaten-school-over-intelligent-design/comment-page-2/#comment-44163 The Uncooperative Blogger Thu, 12 Jan 2006 01:22:25 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/01/09/americans-united-threaten-school-over-intelligent-design/#comment-44163 <strong>California high school sued over class discussing &#8216;intelligent design&#8217;</strong> From an article in SFGate: A rural high school teaching a religion-based alternative to evolution was sued Tuesday by a group of parents who said the class should be stopped because it violates the U.S. Constitution. Frazier Mountain High School in Leb... California high school sued over class discussing &#38;#8216;intelligent design&#38;#8217;
From an article in SFGate:
A rural high school teaching a religion-based alternative to evolution was sued Tuesday by a group of parents who said the class should be stopped because it violates the U.S. Constitution.
Frazier Mountain High School in Leb…

]]> By: Where's my Haldol? http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/09/americans-united-threaten-school-over-intelligent-design/comment-page-2/#comment-44164 Where's my Haldol? Wed, 11 Jan 2006 23:12:21 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/01/09/americans-united-threaten-school-over-intelligent-design/#comment-44164 That's okay. Let it all out now. I can imagine how much it hurts to be you, with your steadfast refusal to join the 20th and 21st centuries or even the 19th, your certainty that carbon dating is worthless, that modern biology is a crock, that evolutionists (who aren't concerned with origins anyway) claim that life exploded randomly from nothing, that Answers in Genesis contains facts (the name doesn't suggest pre-formed conclusions to you? Nahhhhhh!) and that physicists propose that the Big Bang involved dirt flying every which way And, debating metaphysicists! Why, how fun. And how useful! I'll say one thing for you. You are so thoroughly out to lunch that you clearly have no concept of your own innumerable cognitive deficits. You really do believe that you're correct despite what you say being invalidated by 99.99% of scientists the world over. Because of this, you're protected to some degree against cognitive dissonance and the discomfort it brings. You're basically a bag of reflexes with a Bible, a bad attitude, and a keyboard. Congratulations. That’s okay. Let it all out now. I can imagine how much it hurts to be you, with your steadfast refusal to join the 20th and 21st centuries or even the 19th, your certainty that carbon dating is worthless, that modern biology is a crock, that evolutionists (who aren’t concerned with origins anyway) claim that life exploded randomly from nothing, that Answers in Genesis contains facts (the name doesn’t suggest pre-formed conclusions to you? Nahhhhhh!) and that physicists propose that the Big Bang involved dirt flying every which way

And, debating metaphysicists! Why, how fun. And how useful!

I’ll say one thing for you. You are so thoroughly out to lunch that you clearly have no concept of your own innumerable cognitive deficits. You really do believe that you’re correct despite what you say being invalidated by 99.99% of scientists the world over. Because of this, you’re protected to some degree against cognitive dissonance and the discomfort it brings. You’re basically a bag of reflexes with a Bible, a bad attitude, and a keyboard. Congratulations.

]]> By: apostle http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/09/americans-united-threaten-school-over-intelligent-design/comment-page-2/#comment-44165 apostle Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:57:06 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2006/01/09/americans-united-threaten-school-over-intelligent-design/#comment-44165 I notice that you've given up your blatantly biased online sourcing, and now are reduced to your whole post being insults. I must be winning. I've debated real physicists and meta-physicists and naturalists before. They were not as dumb as you, and I'll never believe that any college would give you a degree. You're just another idiot that browses the web and mouths off for fun, instead of letting the grown-ups talk like you should. I notice that you’ve given up your blatantly biased online sourcing, and now are reduced to your whole post being insults. I must be winning.

I’ve debated real physicists and meta-physicists and naturalists before. They were not as dumb as you, and I’ll never believe that any college would give you a degree. You’re just another idiot that browses the web and mouths off for fun, instead of letting the grown-ups talk like you should.

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