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		<title>By: The Blorg &#38;#38;#187; Blog Archive &#38;#38;#187; ACLU opposes ACLU&#38;#38;#8230;again</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/02/in-the-true-spirit-of-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-43784</link>
		<dc:creator>The Blorg &#38;#38;#187; Blog Archive &#38;#38;#187; ACLU opposes ACLU&#38;#38;#8230;again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 05:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Also from Stop The ACLU, they want to stop the use of traffic cameras, because&#38;#8230;well, because they work. Or something. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Also from Stop The ACLU, they want to stop the use of traffic cameras, because&#38;#38;#8230;well, because they work. Or something. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hodge</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/02/in-the-true-spirit-of-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-43811</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hodge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gribbit, Gribbit, Gribbit. First, your blogsome site doesn’t seem to be working. You should get it fixed or someone might not let you comment on this topic.

	Second, the hypocrisy you accuse the ACLU of is a cheap straw man attack and the invocation of Nazis is just cheap.

	Monitoring police activity that happens in public is a valid check on a group that has been given government sanction and authority to the extent that it can be abused. If I were a police officer I would make sure that most of my actions took place where the camera in the squad car could see. These cameras have a time-code and are considered part of the public record. Police, by their employment, are considered public figures while on duty and executing the powers of their job and thus have reduced expectations of privacy. People driving cars are not considered public figures and issuing tickets based on car ownership is worlds different than issuing a ticket based on an actual police intervention with the driver of a vehicle (regardless of ownership).

	This isn’t flip-flopping; it’s two entirely different scenarios that involve video equipment coincidentally.

	As to the school club issue in the state of Washington, the ACLU of Washington isn’t forcing schools to have clubs of any kind. They are advocating equal access to school facilities for all non-academic clubs regardless of content. The message they sent to school districts resulted from a section of Washington state law that needed clarification with respect to a federal law that addressed similar circumstances.

	Your verbiage and phraseology create a false impression of the rules, how they changed with the latest court action, and the entirely consistent (no flip-flopping here) position of the ACLU of Washington with respect to non-academic clubs and &quot;official&quot; recognition and monetary sponsorship of these clubs by schools.

	It’s easy to be an &quot;attack dog&quot; and bite into an issue. But you should make sure that both pieces of your argument are apples. In this case you have a mouthful of apples and oranges; but you can’t seem to taste the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gribbit, Gribbit, Gribbit. First, your blogsome site doesn’t seem to be working. You should get it fixed or someone might not let you comment on this topic.</p>
<p>	Second, the hypocrisy you accuse the ACLU of is a cheap straw man attack and the invocation of Nazis is just cheap.</p>
<p>	Monitoring police activity that happens in public is a valid check on a group that has been given government sanction and authority to the extent that it can be abused. If I were a police officer I would make sure that most of my actions took place where the camera in the squad car could see. These cameras have a time-code and are considered part of the public record. Police, by their employment, are considered public figures while on duty and executing the powers of their job and thus have reduced expectations of privacy. People driving cars are not considered public figures and issuing tickets based on car ownership is worlds different than issuing a ticket based on an actual police intervention with the driver of a vehicle (regardless of ownership).</p>
<p>	This isn’t flip-flopping; it’s two entirely different scenarios that involve video equipment coincidentally.</p>
<p>	As to the school club issue in the state of Washington, the ACLU of Washington isn’t forcing schools to have clubs of any kind. They are advocating equal access to school facilities for all non-academic clubs regardless of content. The message they sent to school districts resulted from a section of Washington state law that needed clarification with respect to a federal law that addressed similar circumstances.</p>
<p>	Your verbiage and phraseology create a false impression of the rules, how they changed with the latest court action, and the entirely consistent (no flip-flopping here) position of the ACLU of Washington with respect to non-academic clubs and &#8220;official&#8221; recognition and monetary sponsorship of these clubs by schools.</p>
<p>	It’s easy to be an &#8220;attack dog&#8221; and bite into an issue. But you should make sure that both pieces of your argument are apples. In this case you have a mouthful of apples and oranges; but you can’t seem to taste the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey Cobb</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/02/in-the-true-spirit-of-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-43808</link>
		<dc:creator>Casey Cobb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2006 15:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your story and spin on it is totally bogus, I think that you are just afraid that upon the distribution of these video camera&#039;s, that it will be found that there are many, many unchecked abuses that certain officers are getting away with every day, and every hour.

	Now if citizens want to team up and get some of these everyday abuses caught on camera to help tip the balance of injustice that has been going on. I don&#039;t see how that could bother you. Unless of course you are afraid that these cameras will make the police force look bad.

	You should not be afraid of that type of thing. When people in law enforcement screw up. They should be held accountable charges should be pressed and video evidence should be taken to a court of Law. Thats it plain and simple.

	This is not a bad Idea. However your whole photo cop deal in Minneapolis, if there is no proof that the owner of the vehicle is the driver of the vehicle. Then the summons the owner to get them in court is a big waste of time.

	Who in there right mind would pay a speeding ticket when they did not speed? And then comes in the inconvenience of going into court taking a day off of work only to find out that the picture you get to see does not clearly show the driver of the vehicle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your story and spin on it is totally bogus, I think that you are just afraid that upon the distribution of these video camera&#8217;s, that it will be found that there are many, many unchecked abuses that certain officers are getting away with every day, and every hour.</p>
<p>	Now if citizens want to team up and get some of these everyday abuses caught on camera to help tip the balance of injustice that has been going on. I don&#8217;t see how that could bother you. Unless of course you are afraid that these cameras will make the police force look bad.</p>
<p>	You should not be afraid of that type of thing. When people in law enforcement screw up. They should be held accountable charges should be pressed and video evidence should be taken to a court of Law. Thats it plain and simple.</p>
<p>	This is not a bad Idea. However your whole photo cop deal in Minneapolis, if there is no proof that the owner of the vehicle is the driver of the vehicle. Then the summons the owner to get them in court is a big waste of time.</p>
<p>	Who in there right mind would pay a speeding ticket when they did not speed? And then comes in the inconvenience of going into court taking a day off of work only to find out that the picture you get to see does not clearly show the driver of the vehicle.</p>
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		<title>By: Gribbit</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/02/in-the-true-spirit-of-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-43810</link>
		<dc:creator>Gribbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2006 12:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4thelittleguy,

	No, you are not.  We have been expecting the ACLU to announce any day now that they are suing themselves.  Why not?  Ronny Earl has indicted himself - twice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4thelittleguy,</p>
<p>	No, you are not.  We have been expecting the ACLU to announce any day now that they are suing themselves.  Why not?  Ronny Earl has indicted himself &#8211; twice.</p>
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		<title>By: 4thelittleguy</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/02/in-the-true-spirit-of-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-43785</link>
		<dc:creator>4thelittleguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2006 01:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the only one who has completely stopped expecting the ACLU to make any sense whatsoever?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one who has completely stopped expecting the ACLU to make any sense whatsoever?</p>
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		<title>By: Gribbit</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/02/in-the-true-spirit-of-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-43786</link>
		<dc:creator>Gribbit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2006 01:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Answer apostle &#38;#38; mid, your comments both were removed from my edit screen due to the number of comments.

	Apostle- please get that link up as soon as possible.  You generally agree with my position and I&#039;ve taken flack for allowing your comments to stand when I&#039;ve deleted others.  I understand that you are working on it, but I must be fair.

	mid- you lucked out.  read my comment to Brian.

	If I catch it again, it gets deleted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Answer apostle &#38;#38;#38; mid, your comments both were removed from my edit screen due to the number of comments.</p>
<p>	Apostle- please get that link up as soon as possible.  You generally agree with my position and I&#8217;ve taken flack for allowing your comments to stand when I&#8217;ve deleted others.  I understand that you are working on it, but I must be fair.</p>
<p>	mid- you lucked out.  read my comment to Brian.</p>
<p>	If I catch it again, it gets deleted.</p>
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		<title>By: Crazy Politico</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/02/in-the-true-spirit-of-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-43790</link>
		<dc:creator>Crazy Politico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2006 00:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of course they are both for and against the use of cameras. They are for anything that is &quot;pro-&quot; their agenda, and against anything that isn&#039;t... Even when it&#039;s the same thing.

	They really should go back to trying to help those folks who are in prison because they had crappy lawyers. Wait, that&#039;s redundant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course they are both for and against the use of cameras. They are for anything that is &#8220;pro-&#8221; their agenda, and against anything that isn&#8217;t&#8230; Even when it&#8217;s the same thing.</p>
<p>	They really should go back to trying to help those folks who are in prison because they had crappy lawyers. Wait, that&#8217;s redundant.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Dog's Weblog</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/02/in-the-true-spirit-of-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-43804</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Dog's Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2006 00:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;ACLU To Provide Camera To Tape Police&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Jack Bauer</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/02/in-the-true-spirit-of-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-43803</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Bauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2006 23:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wouldn&#039;t it be rather wonderful if a team of concerned citizens were to follow, for example, Anthony Romereo and other ACLU bigwigs around all day, every day and night with a video camera. I wonder what they would do. Call a cop perhaps and complain about harassment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wouldn&#8217;t it be rather wonderful if a team of concerned citizens were to follow, for example, Anthony Romereo and other ACLU bigwigs around all day, every day and night with a video camera. I wonder what they would do. Call a cop perhaps and complain about harassment?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2006/01/02/in-the-true-spirit-of-hypocrisy/comment-page-1/#comment-43809</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jan 2006 22:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian -

	I don&#039;t care what the limits are set by the software, if it were my choice, it would be required for you to register.  However, to answer your charge, here are the facts.  During Nazi Germany, you had a situation where there was neighbor v neighbor.  People turning in their own family members for making statements critical of the government.

	This is a race issue.  This is the ACLU targeting even honest police officers over each arrest made on an African-American citizen.  There are cameras on the dashes of the police cars to capture the traffic stops.  I would have no problem with that camera being two way and video taping what happens in the cruiser.  But to give vigilante powers to selected individuals is truly Gestapo tactics.

	When you get your own site, you can comment on my threads.  But until then, I maintain control over who does and does not comment on them.  Like it or not, I&#039;m in control not you.  This is my forum, and I refuse to allow you to use our soap-box to voice your opinion without leaving us a way to return the favor.

	Free Blogging available at: http://www.blogger.com  http://www.blogsome.com  Those are two that I recommend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian -</p>
<p>	I don&#8217;t care what the limits are set by the software, if it were my choice, it would be required for you to register.  However, to answer your charge, here are the facts.  During Nazi Germany, you had a situation where there was neighbor v neighbor.  People turning in their own family members for making statements critical of the government.</p>
<p>	This is a race issue.  This is the ACLU targeting even honest police officers over each arrest made on an African-American citizen.  There are cameras on the dashes of the police cars to capture the traffic stops.  I would have no problem with that camera being two way and video taping what happens in the cruiser.  But to give vigilante powers to selected individuals is truly Gestapo tactics.</p>
<p>	When you get your own site, you can comment on my threads.  But until then, I maintain control over who does and does not comment on them.  Like it or not, I&#8217;m in control not you.  This is my forum, and I refuse to allow you to use our soap-box to voice your opinion without leaving us a way to return the favor.</p>
<p>	Free Blogging available at: <a href="http://www.blogger.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.blogger.com</a>  <a href="http://www.blogsome.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.blogsome.com</a>  Those are two that I recommend.</p>
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