Comments on: ACLU Protecting Pedophile Predators http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/12/05/aclu-protecting-pedophile-predators/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:08:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Louis http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/12/05/aclu-protecting-pedophile-predators/comment-page-2/#comment-42385 Louis Wed, 28 Dec 2005 21:54:50 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/12/05/aclu-protecting-pedophile-predators/#comment-42385 Tim, There is allot of personal preference in your comment. The fact of the matter is, you also miss the point. 87 out of 100 people rearrested for sex crimes are people who have never before committed a sex crime. I am talking about people who have a criminal history already. If you take your figure of 95% and include 87% rearrested for repeat crimes. That don't leave very many people who were previously convicted of a sex crime. In fact, there are so few people who have been convicted of sex crimes who actually repeat sex crimes, there isn't a financial, or realistic social interest in these people to support the registry (websites). Factoring in the "child molestors" which ones are you talking about, familial molests or predator type molests? If you are talking about familial, you have no justification at all, considering only 3 out of one hundred of those will ever re-commit any crime, let alone a sex related crime. Unless you are really saying that placement on the websites is for punishment. That is what it is.. actually. But none of you law enforcement people will openly admit it.. Tim,

There is allot of personal preference in your comment. The fact of the matter is, you also miss the point. 87 out of 100 people rearrested for sex crimes are people who have never before committed a sex crime. I am talking about people who have a criminal history already.

If you take your figure of 95% and include 87% rearrested for repeat crimes. That don’t leave very many people who were previously convicted of a sex crime. In fact, there are so few people who have been convicted of sex crimes who actually repeat sex crimes, there isn’t a financial, or realistic social interest in these people to support the registry (websites).

Factoring in the “child molestors” which ones are you talking about, familial molests or predator type molests? If you are talking about familial, you have no justification at all, considering only 3 out of one hundred of those will ever re-commit any crime, let alone a sex related crime. Unless you are really saying that placement on the websites is for punishment. That is what it is.. actually. But none of you law enforcement people will openly admit it..

]]> By: Tim http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/12/05/aclu-protecting-pedophile-predators/comment-page-2/#comment-42384 Tim Mon, 26 Dec 2005 15:49:28 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/12/05/aclu-protecting-pedophile-predators/#comment-42384 It is very true that child molesters and killers should remain in prison for a long long time. But to those of you who think that the Sex Offender Registry is the answer, well sorry to tell you that it is just a feel good law. Yes as a retired police officer of over 25 years service, I can tell you that for the most part this law is a law that we in Law Enforcement used to call a feel good law. It makes the public feel good and makes them think that the people who write the laws are doing thier job. Well infact it does nothing to prevent crimes, for the most part every state has put so many people on the Registry that it does the public no good to know the people on it. If it had child molesters and those who have forced them selfs on a victim that would be one thing that for the most part it has many people on it that should not be as they are not any public danger. The Law makers realy missed a chance to make these laws work for the public. Had they made the offenders work to get off the Registry. Say go 10 years with no vilolations of the law and they could ask the court of record to have thier name removed. The court of record should have had that right within the law had the offender not comitted a vilotant crime in the first place against an adult victim ( such as just touching an adult improperly). However had the offender used a weapon, drugs date rape or if the victim was a minor then the offenders name should remain on the Registry for ever. And to those who think knowing the people on the Registry will protect your family well you have missed the most important number of all, over 95% of sexual assaults are by a person known to the victim. So who you realy need to watch is your own family members. So you can say all you want about the ACLU and others who are trying to change these laws, sorry to tell you this time they have it right. It is very true that child molesters and killers should remain in prison for a long long time. But to those of you who think that the Sex Offender Registry is the answer, well sorry to tell you that it is just a feel good law. Yes as a retired police officer of over 25 years service, I can tell you that for the most part this law is a law that we in Law Enforcement used to call a feel good law. It makes the public feel good and makes them think that the people who write the laws are doing thier job. Well infact it does nothing to prevent crimes, for the most part every state has put so many people on the Registry that it does the public no good to know the people on it. If it had child molesters and those who have forced them selfs on a victim that would be one thing that for the most part it has many people on it that should not be as they are not any public danger. The Law makers realy missed a chance to make these laws work for the public. Had they made the offenders work to get off the Registry. Say go 10 years with no vilolations of the law and they could ask the court of record to have thier name removed. The court of record should have had that right within the law had the offender not comitted a vilotant crime in the first place against an adult victim ( such as just touching an adult improperly). However had the offender used a weapon, drugs date rape or if the victim was a minor then the offenders name should remain on the Registry for ever. And to those who think knowing the people on the Registry will protect your family well you have missed the most important number of all, over 95% of sexual assaults are by a person known to the victim. So who you realy need to watch is your own family members. So you can say all you want about the ACLU and others who are trying to change these laws, sorry to tell you this time they have it right.

]]> By: Greg L. http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/12/05/aclu-protecting-pedophile-predators/comment-page-2/#comment-42383 Greg L. Mon, 26 Dec 2005 04:08:51 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/12/05/aclu-protecting-pedophile-predators/#comment-42383 I have led a drug & alchol free lifestyle for 4-years come 01/02/06!! I've managed to do this through the help of Narcotics Anonymous (meetings, literature, and the fellowship of recovering addtics). I learned that the "core" of "my desease" is "my self-centered-ness;" or my being selfish. I have learned that "service work;" or helping others "stay clean" is the key to continued recovery... The same technique is needed within the realm of sex offender recovery. The effort of making ammends is vidal to One's recovery. Not to say that a victim can or shall "forgive" the assailant; but rather to bring about some meaningful purpose back into the "X-sex offenders" life; (as most are truely heart broken at the act that has happened). I am a "X"-sex offender; it has been 18-years since I commited my offence; and I can't go back and change history... However I can take every measure to ensure that it never happens again. Today I feel EMPATHY for people whereas prior to my offence I didn't understand how to. Today I have tools which I use to curb my speeding as a driver, my anger, my resentments, so that I can live a meaningful life. Today I have my own family, friends, neighbors, bosses & co-workers who all know about my past mistake, and are still there to support me... and that means the world to me... The truth is there is a national crisis taking place right before our eyes... teachers, clergy, doctors, lawyers, rich & poor alike are showing up in the news daily as NEWLY CONVICTED sex offenders, and that's only the ones that are caught!! The current law of DNA testing of those convicted of a sex offence is in reality the only law that has any validity; as no law will ever protect the children from a true preditor. Those previously convicted RARELY RE-OFFEND... so therefore the main effort and money should be spent on a means of RECOVERY before any other offence takes place by either a first time offender or a repeat offender. I have led a drug & alchol free lifestyle for 4-years come 01/02/06!! I’ve managed to do this through the help of Narcotics Anonymous (meetings, literature, and the fellowship of recovering addtics). I learned that the “core” of “my desease” is “my self-centered-ness;” or my being selfish. I have learned that “service work;” or helping others “stay clean” is the key to continued recovery…

The same technique is needed within the realm of sex offender recovery. The effort of making ammends is vidal to One’s recovery. Not to say that a victim can or shall “forgive” the assailant; but rather to bring about some meaningful purpose back into the “X-sex offenders” life; (as most are truely heart broken at the act that has happened).

I am a “X”-sex offender; it has been 18-years since I commited my offence; and I can’t go back and change history… However I can take every measure to ensure that it never happens again. Today I feel EMPATHY for people whereas prior to my offence I didn’t understand how to. Today I have tools which I use to curb my speeding as a driver, my anger, my resentments, so that I can live a meaningful life. Today I have my own family, friends, neighbors, bosses & co-workers who all know about my past mistake, and are still there to support me… and that means the world to me…

The truth is there is a national crisis taking place right before our eyes… teachers, clergy, doctors, lawyers, rich & poor alike are showing up in the news daily as NEWLY CONVICTED sex offenders, and that’s only the ones that are caught!!

The current law of DNA testing of those convicted of a sex offence is in reality the only law that has any validity; as no law will ever protect the children from a true preditor. Those previously convicted RARELY RE-OFFEND… so therefore the main effort and money should be spent on a means of RECOVERY before any other offence takes place by either a first time offender or a repeat offender.

]]> By: Louis http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/12/05/aclu-protecting-pedophile-predators/comment-page-2/#comment-42382 Louis Thu, 15 Dec 2005 23:13:09 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/12/05/aclu-protecting-pedophile-predators/#comment-42382 In response to post 73, I am amused you make money on the reaction you can get from people. The spin has been placed on the facts by people like you. I simply quote exactly what came from the reports from the Department of Justice in 2003. You ignore the realities of 87 out of 100 re-arrests are people who have never before been convicted of a sex crime, but rather, have been convicted of non-sex related crimes, before committing the sex crime. That is simple facts. The spin is you placing all of the responsibility of those crimes on people who have been proven to be less likely than any other, to re-commit a crime. The reports have already been cited on this website. As far as your statement about me being raped when I was 18 and liking it. It is agonizingly stupid rationale such as yours that makes people hate. I do not like nor do I support sexual abuse to or by anyone. I personally believe that people who do such things should be severely punished. But, as with all other crimes, when the person has served his or her time and punishment. People should give them the chance to start over. Your rhetoric doesn't make anything true, except for the beliefs of most, that guns aren't a danger, stupid people are. As far as the person who raped me, he is dead.. I shouldn't have to say any more.. In response to post 73,

I am amused you make money on the reaction you can get from people. The spin has been placed on the facts by people like you. I simply quote exactly what came from the reports from the Department of Justice in 2003.

You ignore the realities of 87 out of 100 re-arrests are people who have never before been convicted of a sex crime, but rather, have been convicted of non-sex related crimes, before committing the sex crime. That is simple facts. The spin is you placing all of the responsibility of those crimes on people who have been proven to be less likely than any other, to re-commit a crime. The reports have already been cited on this website.

As far as your statement about me being raped when I was 18 and liking it. It is agonizingly stupid rationale such as yours that makes people hate.

I do not like nor do I support sexual abuse to or by anyone. I personally believe that people who do such things should be severely punished.

But, as with all other crimes, when the person has served his or her time and punishment. People should give them the chance to start over.

Your rhetoric doesn’t make anything true, except for the beliefs of most, that guns aren’t a danger, stupid people are.

As far as the person who raped me, he is dead.. I shouldn’t have to say any more..

]]> By: nk http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/12/05/aclu-protecting-pedophile-predators/comment-page-2/#comment-42381 nk Wed, 14 Dec 2005 05:57:36 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/12/05/aclu-protecting-pedophile-predators/#comment-42381 here's one to prove it! http://www.post-gazette.com/breaking/20040329pornp6.asp here’s one to prove it!

http://www.post-gazette.com/breaking/20040329pornp6.asp

]]> By: Amber Leaf http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/12/05/aclu-protecting-pedophile-predators/comment-page-2/#comment-42380 Amber Leaf Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:46:16 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/12/05/aclu-protecting-pedophile-predators/#comment-42380 To Tim. #76. First sir, I want to applaud you for realizing the truth and the facts. This does not happen often. But in my research in this, I have come across many Law Enforcement and Probation/Parole Officers who feel exactly as you do. Rehabilitation would be a lot less costly than the GPS (which doesn't always work), the extra LE needed to check the registrants, extra administrative staff to make sure the information is put into the database and of course the extra money some states receive that they shouldn't be. In that last comment, I am pointing to the fact that in Florida they are being paid for the dead, deported and not residing in Florida sex offenders they have on their registry. The problem with this is the states that these sex offenders do reside are also being paid for the same person. Don't you just love the way your tax dollars are spent? I have also talked to many therapists on this issue. The large majority of them feel rehabilitation is the main thing to be done. In my opinion, that needs to go a little further. I feel there should also be Victim/Offender Counseling. I feel this would not only help the offender to see the pain he or she caused to the Victim, but would also allow the Victim to speak to the Offender and get possible questions answered. This would enable the Victim to heal, this would enable the Offender to heal. I have many therapists that agree with me on this. We are working on it. We hope to start contacting the Legislators soon with this. The feel good laws do absolutely nothing to protect anyone. The perceived "predator behind every bush" is total nonsense. You have now had a Law Enforcement person tell you these same things. Can you not see this? For those of you whom have stated you were child victims, I will continue to pray for you and to pray that you will become a Survivor and not a victim. Thank You To Tim. #76. First sir, I want to applaud you for realizing the truth and the facts. This does not happen often. But in my research in this, I have come across many Law Enforcement and Probation/Parole Officers who feel exactly as you do. Rehabilitation would be a lot less costly than the GPS (which doesn’t always work), the extra LE needed to check the registrants, extra administrative staff to make sure the information is put into the database and of course the extra money some states receive that they shouldn’t be. In that last comment, I am pointing to the fact that in Florida they are being paid for the dead, deported and not residing in Florida sex offenders they have on their registry. The problem with this is the states that these sex offenders do reside are also being paid for the same person. Don’t you just love the way your tax dollars are spent?

I have also talked to many therapists on this issue. The large majority of them feel rehabilitation is the main thing to be done. In my opinion, that needs to go a little further. I feel there should also be Victim/Offender Counseling. I feel this would not only help the offender to see the pain he or she caused to the Victim, but would also allow the Victim to speak to the Offender and get possible questions answered. This would enable the Victim to heal, this would enable the Offender to heal. I have many therapists that agree with me on this. We are working on it. We hope to start contacting the Legislators soon with this.

The feel good laws do absolutely nothing to protect anyone. The perceived “predator behind every bush” is total nonsense. You have now had a Law Enforcement person tell you these same things. Can you not see this?

For those of you whom have stated you were child victims, I will continue to pray for you and to pray that you will become a Survivor and not a victim.

Thank You

]]> By: Wade http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/12/05/aclu-protecting-pedophile-predators/comment-page-2/#comment-42379 Wade Tue, 13 Dec 2005 02:04:31 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/12/05/aclu-protecting-pedophile-predators/#comment-42379 Mr Allen needs to do some more resears about sex offendrs, he might want to read the reports the justace depatment puts out. Mr Allen needs to do some more resears about sex offendrs, he might want to read the reports the justace depatment puts out.

]]> By: Rob http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/12/05/aclu-protecting-pedophile-predators/comment-page-2/#comment-42378 Rob Mon, 12 Dec 2005 14:28:52 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/12/05/aclu-protecting-pedophile-predators/#comment-42378 Why all the Anger? I think we ALL agree that child rapist and killers deserve what they get and the sentancing part is the issue not Megans Law, this law does nothing to protect anyone so on that I would say write your legislators to increase penalties for these crimes and stop the madness and civil rights killing. Now, I would assume all would respect our fore Fathers rules on crime were all deserve a second chance, I made some past mistakes and if I was unable to be forgiven there is no healing or moving on... So Mom please forgive me for skipping school, I promiss not to do it again.. Everyone deserves a chance to move on please give your fellow MAN a chance and punish those whom do not learn from there mistakes. The past is the past, what you learn from your past and what you do with your future defines you as a person. Why all the Anger? I think we ALL agree that child rapist and killers deserve what they get and the sentancing part is the issue not Megans Law, this law does nothing to protect anyone so on that I would say write your legislators to increase penalties for these crimes and stop the madness and civil rights killing.

Now, I would assume all would respect our fore Fathers rules on crime were all deserve a second chance, I made some past mistakes and if I was unable to be forgiven there is no healing or moving on… So Mom please forgive me for skipping school, I promiss not to do it again.. Everyone deserves a chance to move on please give your fellow MAN a chance and punish those whom do not learn from there mistakes. The past is the past, what you learn from your past and what you do with your future defines you as a person.

]]> By: david hinman http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/12/05/aclu-protecting-pedophile-predators/comment-page-2/#comment-42377 david hinman Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:53:09 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/12/05/aclu-protecting-pedophile-predators/#comment-42377 You are just so full of [edited] on this issue I won't even attack you. You don't have a clue. I dare say that most of the sex offenders that I know are better people than you. You are just so full of [edited] on this issue I won’t even attack you. You don’t have a clue. I dare say that most of the sex offenders that I know are better people than you.

]]> By: Woodrat http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/12/05/aclu-protecting-pedophile-predators/comment-page-2/#comment-42376 Woodrat Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:28:19 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/12/05/aclu-protecting-pedophile-predators/#comment-42376 Well,well,well! What do we have here, another gathering of the KKK? I actuall thought it was against a bunch of [edited] like you to even exist. I'll be you all purport to be good Christians also! Well, ya ain't nothin' but a bunch of bigot,blowhard,redneck,S.O.B.'S who are cowards and probably molesting children while attempting to stop the ACLU. You have no clue what you're talkin' about you just believe what some politician has told you, and you agree to futhur punish people while all you are doing is putting another feather in some [edited] cap, and another doller in his pocket. Before you go spouting off about any subject, get the real facts from government statics reports, and stop showing how ignornat you really are! Well,well,well! What do we have here, another gathering of the KKK? I actuall thought it was against a bunch of [edited] like you to even exist. I’ll be you all purport to be good Christians also! Well, ya ain’t nothin’ but a bunch of bigot,blowhard,redneck,S.O.B.’S who are cowards and probably molesting children while attempting to stop the ACLU. You have no clue what you’re talkin’ about you just believe what some politician has told you, and you agree to futhur punish people while all you are doing is putting another feather in some [edited] cap, and another doller in his pocket. Before you go spouting off about any subject, get the real facts from government statics reports, and stop showing how ignornat you really are!

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