ACLU Protecting Pedophile Predators
Posted on December 5, 2005
Via WND
Amid increasing evidence that child molesters are sexual predators for life, Florida lawmakers are considering life for sexual predators.
State Rep. Bob Allen, R-Merritt Island, hopes to seize the opportunity of a special legislative session, that begins today and runs through Friday, to make headway with his “Sexual Predators Elimination Act.”
The measure, HB 251, seeks mandatory life sentences without parole or eligibility for gain time for individuals designated as sexual predators. Under Florida law, these are individuals convicted of sexual battery on a child 12 or younger, repeat sexual offenders, sexual offenders who use physical violence and sexual offenders who use or threaten the use of a deadly weapon.
“We need to lock them up and throw away the key,” Allen told WND. Otherwise, he says, they continue to prey on children and teenagers to feed a need that never goes away.
“I’ve done a lot of research on it. I’ve gone with the [Department of Corrections] officers and probation officers to the homes of sexual predators,” Allen continued. “One of the sexual predators said it the best: ‘I want to do better. But, sir, it’s like if someone tried to sit you down guaranteeing you’ll do 15 sessions of counseling, and in that 15 sessions I’m going to talk you out of your sexual preference and get you to do something else.’”
Lets face it, sympathy for scumbags like this is not very widespread or popular. Not only has there been little, to no significant evidence that people of this sick nature can be cured, there has been increasing evidence to the contrary. As a responsible society, it is in our best interest to protect our citizens from their rights being violated. To allow child molesters, and repeat sex offenders back on the streets without any kind of significant evidence they will not strike again is irresponsible and dangerous, in my opinion.
According to Florida Department of Law Enforcement statistics, the number of convicted sexual predators increased from 471 in 1997, the year the state began posting information about them on the Internet, to 5,492 today. The number of convicted sexual offenders has gone from 8,000 to 30,735 over that same time period.
Why are there so many cases?
“We’re letting them out on probation,” answered Gallagher.
The ACLU has a problem with this.
“Mr. Allen is out to get votes,” responded George Crossley, president of the central Florida chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union. “I’m reasonably cynical enough to know that these folks really don’t care one way or another about what happens to children, they care what it’ll take for them to win the next election.”
Crossley told WND he’s concerned about the 170,000 family members of sex offenders across the state being adversely affected by what he views as a building hysteria.
“About 3 percent of the people that we’re talking about here are sexual predators who deserve to be watched,” he said. “The other 97 percent are sexual offenders, some of them who 20, 25, 30, 40 years ago did something, and in many cases it was underage sex. … The facts are in most of these cases, you’re not talking about people who are a threat to anybody. And yet, since Jessica Lunsford’s murder, which was basically the fault of law enforcement in more ways than one, we’ve had one Draconian statute proposed after another.”
Talk about cooking the numbers. This 3 percent he is touting was obviously pulled from his magic hat of numbers. Most legitimate research leads to much different numbers, and we are talking about child molesters and repeat offenders here.
Dr. Louis Schlesinger, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, maintains the no-parole idea is appropriate for pedophiles, whom he calls incurable.
“You cannot change their sexual-arousal pattern,” said Schlesinger. “You cannot take a heterosexual and make that person a pedophile by therapy. It can’t work. So why would the converse be true?”
“Lawmakers need to understand that preying on children is a way of life for these sexual offenders,” McGowan stressed. “Unless they’re being incarcerated, they’ll be out in the community molesting our children.”
Schlesinger said crafting government policy boils down to assessing how much risk society wants to tolerate.
“You can teach someone to control their urges, but then you’re relying totally on the offender to control himself. If society wants to let him out, it should not come as a shock when you see what you see happening in the news all the time.”
The ACLU’s view on this isn’t really suprising. After all we are talking about the organization that defended NAMBLA, and advocates the legalization of child porn distribution. Not only will the ACLU oppose life sentences for repeat sexual offenders, they are actively fighting for the ones already out to have access to to parks and places so they can prey on your kids. So to hear an ACLU representative state that someone else that is actively fighting for better protection of our children doesn’t really care about children, and is only out for votes, makes me absolutely sick. Lets take a look at the record on who really cares about the kids.
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“For those of you out there who think being gay is normal, natural, and unable to be changed, I would ask you how you can see the sexual desires of these individuals any differently.”
Well, because being gay is about attraction toward and relationships with consenting adults, whereas pedophilia is about sexual actions toward children, who cannot consent. There is nothing wrong with same-sex relations which are a normal part of human and animal life, but pedophilia involves manipulation and exploitation of vulnerable children. Any thinking person can tell the difference instantly.
Indeed you are correct in that there is a huge difference, and it is my lack of good writing skills that did not communicate correctly the question I was asking. What I was asking is how it is any different in thinking these individuals can change their desires.
I’ve ommited that question now in editing, as it was not accurate to what I intended to communicate.
A more important question is if homosexuality is so normal why it doesn’t lead to procreation? In the atheistic world sex is a straight-forward bodily function. Tell me why the act itself is so UNNATURAL, given the fact that equipment goes in the wrong end. I too would also like to know how if gays cannot choose otherwise, how child molesters can.
Okay, if we take good look at let’s say, procedure of intercourse, homosexuality does not fit. Thanks for coming out. Now answer the second question.
You advocate that gays can’t help the way they are. That is their sexual preference. It is the sexual preference of pedophiles to rape and molest children. What if they don’t have a choice? I don’t see how you can justify either. You can’t by your own argument.
Well Commierebel, I agree with you completely. It was simply a question I was asking. Pedophiles can not control their behavior and neither can repeat sexual predators. The ACLU is advocating to let them go free. I’m glad to see you disagree with the ACLU on this one.
Why shouldn’t the ACLU try to protect pedophiles–Planned Parenthood and its ilk have been protecting pedophiles for years (http://www.childpredators.com/HowToHelp.cfm). It’s only natural the ACLU get in on the fun.
More than 90 percent of pedophiles repeat their crimes. Castration sounds like a good option to me.
actually that is entirely false. 90% do not re-offend.
try more like 7-13% of level 3 offenders : 4-7% of level 2 offenders
: 1-3% of level 1 offenders. that would be the correct amount. i have extensivly researched offender recidivism rates, and also the tests to calculate risk levels, and how they were applied and how they were made.
i will tell you this much , the most research into sex offender recidivism rates and tests to apply risk factors is done in Canada.
Karl Hanson is the leader worldwide in risk assesment with sex offender recividism rates and how to lower the risks. look up in any search engine
’sex offender risk scales’
and ‘ risk assesment tools and scales’
http://home.wanadoo.nl/ipce/library_two/han/hanson_98_text.htm
actually that is entirely false. 90% do not re-offend.
try more like 7-13% of level 3 offenders : 4-7% of level 2 offenders
: 1-3% of level 1 offenders. that would be the correct amount. i have extensivly researched offender recidivism rates, and also the tests to calculate risk levels, and how they were applied and how they were made.
i will tell you this much , the most research into sex offender recidivism rates and tests to apply risk factors is done in Canada.
Karl Hanson is the leader worldwide in risk assesment with sex offender recividism rates and how to lower the risks. look up in any search engine
’sex offender risk scales’
and ‘ risk assesment tools and scales’
Statistics can say whatever I want them to say, nice try Commie. One study says this, another says that. Children is not their sexual preference. The rape of children is their sexual preference. Is that what we are all agreeing on?
What is most interesting to me is the political use of the words, “Amid increasing evidence that child molesters are sexual predators for life,…” There is not citing of any verifiable reports to support his satement.
The most recent Government reports support the 3% quoted by the aclu. One of those reports is: Recidivism of Prisoners Released in 1994 June 2002, NCJ 193427 Which shows the average person is 21 times more likely to be raped by someone previously convicted of a non-sex related crime than someone previously convicted of rape. And another found at:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm
Which shows 87% of people rearrested for sex crimes are people previously convicted of non–sex related crimes. Only 13 percent of rearrests for sex crime are actually people previously convicted of sex crimes. And in that report, you also find that people who molest within the family are less likely to reoffend than any other type of crime. These people are also being included in the “child molester” being called predators.. As the aclu said, the man is out for votes. He believes that his political stature will convence people that he is telling the truth because HE says there is increasing evidence … Wher is it?
This man who claims to want to protect… gives figures like:
“According to Florida Department of Law Enforcement statistics, the number of convicted sexual predators increased from 471 in 1997, the year the state began posting information about them on the Internet, to 5,492 today. The number of convicted sexual offenders has gone from 8,000 to 30,735 over that same time period.
Why are there so many cases?
“We’re letting them out on probation,”…”
This is a blatant lie. The fact is, 95% of all new sex crimes are first time offenders. Logic tells anyone with the ability to reason, that adds to the numbers of cases, not releasing them on probation..
This guy says:
“As a responsible society, it is in our best interest to protect our citizens from their rights being violated.”
On this point I agree. Educate yourself. IF you can get on the internet, research the government reports and studies. Don’t take the word of one “Professor”. Look it up for yourself. Stop letting the politicians tell you what to think..
You may not like what you find, but at least you will know when a politician is violating your intellect.. and terrorizing your neighborhood with scare tactics to gain votes.
Please look at the facts, not this guys lips.
A reasonable society looks at all the information and decides whether or not their elected officials are really telling the whole truth. Attacking the ACLU for providing representation for unpopular issues isn’t caring about society. It is really attempting to shut off the options of a “free society”. The aclu represents the liberties each and every United States Citizen as guaranteed by our Constitution.
Because the government has been unreliable in securing those liberties, the aclu has to fight for them.
While each of us may disagree with one or more of the issues represented by the aclu, we have to look at the whole picture. When the liberties of one group of citizens are taken away, they are taken away from all of us.
Our government has a reputation of violating the liberties of different groups over our history. If one group of “unpopular citizens” can be exiled, then anyone can.. Please remember that.. You don’t have to like the group, but you must love your liberties..
Thank You,
Louis
Then Louies, the ACLU should protect our children’t right to not have to worry about pedophiles, and when a sexual child molestor walks away with a 1 year sentence, that doesn’t exactly deter the crime.
There will come a time when you relize that your freedoms, the very soul of the USA, is being chipped away daily.
When this time comes, and you are being held by the government without the right to an attorney, you will rue the day you damned the ACLU. Do not think it can not happen. There are over 250,000 Federal laws on the books. Add a larger number for state and county laws. You can not live your life without breaking at least one.
Think before you act.
What the ACLU is doing for Sex Offenders is to be congratulated and not condemned. Do you realize how many children are harmed by the harrassment, ostracization and being beaten up because they have a parent on the Registry. At times the child could have been the victim and the family reunited. The children who are having to change schools, leave their homes because of banishment laws. Do any of you care about these children? A child is a child in my book.
The majority of sex offenses listed on the registry are non violent offenses to include, public urination, Romeo/Juliet cases, in some states there are teens under the age of consent that are convicted of sexual assault against each other when in actuality it was consensual sex, one time touching and the offender realized the mistake and sought help, along with children who are convicted and registered for exploration, which is a natural childhood response.
One day these children will be grown. What is this going to cause them to turn into? They have no chance at starting a life in many cases. Mainly because of a felony conviction. Even if they do not have a felony conviction, they will be on the Registry and this will cause jobs to be denied to them, housing, and the possibility of higher education.
But many of you on here want to paint all with the same broad brush. I prefer a Rainbow of Hope to these human beings. At one time the Constitution and the Bill of Rights meant something to this Country. They no longer do. The sad thing is one day, one of you posting these comments could very easily be caught up in this net and don’t even realize it. I wonder what your feelings will be then? Ponder that for awhile.
It is all about money and they don’t give a damn about protecting children. They have more to gain if children are not protected than of they are.
Let’s not forget that the state of Florida is committing fraud. A recent article in the Orlando Weekly (http://www.orlandoweekly.com/features/story.asp?id=8531) found that nearly half the people listed on Florida Registries are dead, have been deported or left the state. Not to mention over 8000 are currently in prison. Upon questioning the author where these numbers come from he will tell you they came from Florida Law Enforcement. Don’t believe me, read the article and ask him. There are federal funds for each person on the registry. I wonder how much of these funds that are spent on dead and deported people could help Senior Citizens and poor Children with healthcare?
Colorado might have to return money because of their inability to maintain a proper registry. (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_3276597) Again I urge you to read the article.
Did it ever occur to anyone that the states with the most restrictive laws opposed on former offenders are the ones with the highest rates of heinous sex crimes? Yes it is true. Look at Florida again. The majority of the recent high profile cases are from Florida, the state with some of the most restrictive and toughest laws on registered offenders? Flordia Law Enforcement could not keep track of Couey with the existing laws, how are they to keep track with the more restrictive laws. He was in violation of probation and registry laws for many months before he killed. If the law would have picked him up and thrown him in jail perhaps a little girl would be alive.
Another thing that most people forget and the politicians choose to ignore is the involvement of drugs in these cases. Couey, although a previous sex offender, was a crack addict and was on probation for drug offences. Carlie Brucia’s killer WAS NOT a previous sex offender. His previous crimes were drug related. Fact is that there are far more children killed because of drugs than there are by former sex offenders. As a matter of fact it is more likely that a person previously convicted of drugs will commit a sex crime than a previous sex offender. (http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm#recidivism)
So why are we letting these dangerous drug felons out of jail? Why are they not registered? It is about protecting children right? Wrong. If it were about protecting children then every dangerous criminal would be on a public registry when released from jail, not just sex offenders. The reason is there are plenty of federal funds for sex offender registries but no funds to register any other criminal, no matter how violent the crime. Funds that could be spent on some real child protection measures.
I do not always agree with the ACLU. This time they have it right and will support them in this cause.
I find it amazing that people are so naive to continue to beleive all that they read in the papers or hear from the talkingheads…
It is a fact that recidivism is VERY low among sex offenders and child molesters…
Notice I didn’t use the two jointly… There is a difference between predators, pedophiles, child molestors and sex offenders… One does not always make the other…
The ACLU is defending the rights of ALL… It is more than likely at the rate things are going that you will need the assistance of the ACLU than not…
There’s no reason to tolerate pedophiles in society. The research says they can’t be cured. See Locking them all up is too good for them, and too expensive. Releasing and tracking them in society is too risky and expensive. They should all be executed.
What many people don’t know is that it isn’t only the ACLU supporting pedophiles. There’s a whole group of liberal professors and journalists that promote pedophile propaganda. See http://notolerance.atspace.com/propaganda.html
Also, many people don’t think about prevention. A huge study funded by the National Institute of Mental Health found that pedophilia begins in puberty. See notolerance.atspace.com/begins.html
Pedophiles can be identified as early as 12 years old (see notolerance.atspace.com/treatment.html) and removed from society before they molest. There is treatment but it can’t cure them completely. They will always be a danger and will never contribute to society. They should be eliminated. That’s the only real solution.
I fully agree with # 27.
The only punishment for child molesting pedophiles is DEATH, PERIOD!!!
And before any of you lefturd bleedin’ hearts get started, two underage ‘children’ having sex are NOT pedophiles. An adult(18 years of age or older)molesting or having sex with a child(in most states 12 and under, but should be 14 and under)is a pedophile.
Ditto for #27. I also find it amusing certain liberals think that we should not harshly punish sexual offenders simply on the assumption that their kids will get beat up in school. Some of these arguments from the left are just ridiculous. Try worrying about the victim’s rights for a change.
The ACLU is protecting citizens from people like you, media and politicians that want to lie about the facts and keep the public hysteria and fears going. Good propaganda article but very poor on facts and statistics. Rob
Just reading some post and I have to say that your right about repeat offenders and child murders they should be monitored and locked up but disagree on 95% of the other offenders that are not preditors or repeat offenders, these people deserve a chance to live there lifes without being out cast. Also, be very careful of these laws for your children and if your profession is child care I pray for you, good luck.
#27 There’s no reason to tolerate any crime. I’m sure you have nothing in your past to hide, right? And speaking of rights, you may not have notice but there being taken away as fast as these laws are written. Try not to hate, peace.
I’m calling it now– within the next 50 years pedophilia will be as accepted as homosexuality is today. We’ll even have cutsey prime-time TV shows where they match a professional neat-freak pedophile with a frayed-nerve single female lawyer in a NYC apartment; hilarious antics ensue!
To #29. You state try worrying about victims rights. How do you know if people are a victim or a survivor? I was molested twice as a child. At age 6 and at age 11. Both times were by people known to the family. Not someone hiding behind a bush that grabbed me. BUT, I am not a victim. I am a survivor. I also have enough sense to know that only those two people molested me and not every single sex offender listed on the registry. Many of you people are trying to put every person on the registry into one category. It doesn’t work that way. There is a difference between a pedophile, sex offender, sexual predator, violent sexual predator.
TO #28: You state that two underage children having sex are not pedophiles. You are correct in that. BUT, eventually they will no longer be children. They will be 30 and someone will look at them on the registry and see that they were convicted of sexual assault on a child under age 12, 14, 16 or whatever. They don’t have the year the person was convicted. So you may think it just happened. What happens to that persons life then? What, in that case, would you think? Right off the bat you would ASSUME that he or she is a child molestor. The registry will not direct you to the other person listed for the offense against that particular registered offender. So you see this is not so cut and dried.
I can tell you this. I am glad that 42 and 37 years ago, I did not know to tell what had been done to me. I often wonder if that is why I am not a victim. No one told me to be a victim, no one told me I had been victimized. I am glad that people I have forgiven did not have their entire lives destroyed because of a grievous mistake. More than anything else I am glad my parents raised me as a forgiving, caring and loving person. I am glad they raised me to believe in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Most importantly I am glad they raised me with Gods teachings. It is a shame the rest of this country doesn’t know these things that my parents taught me. This country would be such a happier, kinder and loving place to live if all citizens had parents like mine.
This is why Sex Offender Registry should be abolished.
A dramatic spike in gun violence has Boston’s leaders scrambling
to find ways to keep locals from massacring each other.
> After a much-heralded roundtable last week, Mayor Thomas Menino,
Police Commissioner Kathleen O’Toole and DA Dan Conley pledged to act swiftly and decisively against violence. Though these plans don’t include replenishing a dwindling pool of patrol officers and detectives, Menino, O’Toole and Conley argued that rounding up
already-wanted criminals, speeding gun cases through the courts and
confiscating “STOP SNITCHIN” T-shirts should halt the city’s
skyrocketing homicide rate.
>
> City Councilor Rob Consalvo also threw his hat in the crime-
prevention ring last week, proposing an internet database that could help revolutionize crimefighting in Boston. Or at least cause a civil liberties firestorm.
> Consalvo wants to create an online database of violent gun
offenders in Boston. Modeled after the state’s sex offender registry,
Consalvo’s gun registry would make the names, addresses and
photographs of convicted violent offenders available online.
>
> “I don’t believe there’s any one answer to solving the problem of
gun violence,” Consalvo said, “but we should give the police, the
city, and neighborhood crime watches as many new tools as we can. Gun violence is such a severe issue that I should have the right, as a parent, to know if there’s a violent gun offender living two doors up the street.”
>
> According to Consalvo, the database would empower police,
neighborhood crime watches and parents to track and guard against gun offenders, as well as “place some accountability on those who are offending with guns.”
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> The Boston Police Department is also warm to the idea. Department
spokesman Sgt. Thomas Sexton told the Dig, “We’d be supportive of
anything that would help curb the use of firearms. It’s too
preliminary to say that it would have an impact, but any effort to
address gun violence is an effort in the right direction.”
>
> But while internet sex offender registries have been upheld as
constitutional because of the unique public safety threat repeat sex offenders pose, privacy and civil liberties advocates are assailing the proposed gun registry, arguing that it would be ineffective and constitutionally offensive.
>
> “What public benefit is served?” asked Marc Rotenberg, executive
director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center. Rotenberg
believes that lawmakers are under increasing pressure to proliferate
the availability of criminal records for proliferation’s sake, and if unchecked, this temptation will steadily erode citizens’ privacy rights.
>
> “As a general matter, we should try to avoid setting up a scarlet
letter society. Notification statutes invariably exist to stigmatize the person, and from a privacy perspective, it’s really not the best approach to criminal justice.”
>
> Carol Rose, the Massachusetts ACLU’s executive director,
agrees. “The ACLU is deeply concerned by the growing amount of gun violence, and saddened that community policing efforts are being hurt by cuts, but we don’t think this is the answer,” she said. “There are civil liberties concerns and serious efficacy questions. It does not affect prevention�why not post the entire gun registry on the web? What about a shoplifting registry? A registry of cars that have been
in accidents? Where does it end? At what point do you say people have paid their dues to the state, and it’s time to move forward?”
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> Still, Consalvo is holding his ground, and a good [edited] can’t
be far behind. “Privacy and civil liberties are extremely important,
but I don’t think those concerns trump public safety, especially
during a crisis,” he rgued. “There were the same concerns with the
sex offender registry, and they all met constitutional muster.
Whatever constitutional muster they met there, with regards to
privacy and civil liberties, would be met by this registry as well.
When we have a hearing, any and all groups that have concerns,
including the ACLU, will be invited to share them with us.”
>
> He also threw cold water on the slippery slope, attempting to draw
a distinction between crimes that are internet-database-worthy and
those that aren’t: “The seriousness of the question is the issue,” he said. “It’s an issue that’s so critically important. Shoplifting is not. This is one of the gravest problems we’re up against, and we have to act accordingly.”
#1 I disagree, I would not want to see a homo raising a same sex child period. Your desires are just as dubias as a sex offenders.
#1 I disagree, I would not want to see a gay person raising a same sex child period. Your desires are just as dubias as a sex offenders.
apostle, post 22,
Let’s talk about children being safe from pedophiles.., Children in this country have more rights than they ever had, now today. Children can make an accusation, and have someone convicted WITHOUT EVIDENCE, just the child’s word. The logic of most idiotic prosecutors is, “children don’t lie”.
Now let’s talk about people being convicted without supporting evidence. That is a major step outside the constitution. But it is a reality in the case of an adult being accused by a child.
And sexual abuse isn’t the only thing adults get falsely accused of. Many parents have been convicted, or their children placed in foster care, as a result of false accusations made by a child.
As far as pedophiles go, this country is manufacturing them. You put one away, 95 take his or her place. Think about it.
I don’t know if you are a parent, but if you are, the most effective way to protect a child from a pedophile is to be with your child. Watch your child. Something that was common place thirty, fourty years ago.
I have some disturbing news for you “apostle”, laws don’t deter pedophiles. Harsh bannishment laws only serve to curb reporting the crimes. That is a proven fact.
I haven’t heard of many child molesters receiving one year for molesting. I am sure there are a few, I just haven’t heard of it. In most states the minimum is more than that.
Let me ask you something, have you ever spent a day or more in prison? If you haven’t, how can you say what a person should get?
Just remember, you too are only a decision away from being convicted of a crime…
Thank You,
Louis
Edward Rittenhouse, post 27,
I have an idea, let’s kill all people who have been victimized. It don’t matter what kind of victimization, because the victim may possibly be messed up in the head afterwords and do something to someone else.
Grow up.. It is this kind of idiocy which proclaims only white people should be allowed to rule the world.
Talk about sickness, you have shown a briliant example of it..
Thank You,
Louis
The Daily Carrier G:23, post 28,
Good for you.. So how many 12 year olds have you fantacized about killing lately..
You people are real pieces of work.. Comnprehension isn’t your strong suit is it? The statement that was made about under aged children having sex, was about them being placed on the registry. The registry doesn’t distinguish recent crimes, or the ages of people when they committed the “crime”. When they are thirty, the crime of playing with each other when they were 12, 13, 14, 15 or anything under 18, will always show up as someone playing with a child under the age of 18. Do you get it now? Or do we need to spell it out again?
Thank You,
Louis
apostle,
I am not a leftist. I believe in punishment for a crime. The lies being perpetuated about sex offenders are ruthless.
Victim’s rights? Which rights are you talking about? The right to sue the person who has done something to you? The right to have a person prosecuted for the purpose of settling a custody dispute? The right to punish your parent because they told you to do your chores and you didn’t like it? What about the right to make an unsupported accusation and see that person be hauled off to prison so you can be with someone else.
These are all victim’s rights in this country. Now, tell me how many of those things happen every day. How many people who have suffered as a result of those “victim’s rights” do you want to see executed?
I have one, you may be next..
Thank You,
Louis
#34: my wife is a victim of a child molestor, her father. The whole survivor bit doesn’t wash. Not when he’s still free to do it again. Liberal argument at this point is based on the ASSUMPTION that these slap on the wrist punishments are going to deter sex offenders from ever doing it again, and statistics are rather blown.
Apostle,
Did you know that victims who turn into victimizers use the same logic you are using?
They make others pay for something someone else did to them.. You aren’t any different, you are just doing it a different way..
Deal with the person who molested her, quit trying to make everyone else pay for what her father did..
#39 Again we live in a Country were liberty and justice for ALL is our rights, when the goverment steps in and starts isolating a minority group that’s unconstitutional, it has nothing to do with sex offenders or murders that also get slaps on the wrist but one thing they have is the right to move around and kill again. I’m not a avocate of sex offenders just a conserned person seeing civil and constitutional rights being trashed and for laws that do nothing to protect or prevent sex crimes, just like they said in Boston regarding a gun registry, it’s unconstitutional period…
I agree Rob,
Given the fact that the majority of sex offences are committed by people who were previously convicted of drug related crimes, and other types of crimes, it is all hype that these people are throwing out there.
Sex offenders, with the exception of a very small number, DO NOT reoffend. Anyone who says they do, don’t have any facts to back them up.
I think it is like the one who calls himself “apostle”. They don’t think the one who did something to them or their significant other, didn’t get enough punishment, so they want to make others pay.
The ignorance, and biased views are a result of people becoming what I call “professional victims”. They never get over it, they can’t get on with their lives because of the hate they focus on..
They don’t hate the drug dealer who feeds the kids the stuff that messes up their heads. They hate the sex offenders the kids become after the drugs have done the damage.. Go figure..
the 3% FACT comes from a united states dept.of justice report
Apostle,
The whole survivor thing doesn’t wash, becuase you and your wife won’t become survivors. You want to hold on to being a victim. Becoming a survivor requires that you do something on your own.
Right now, you have your wife’s father to blame for all your problems. As soon as you work on getting over it, you have to take responsibility for your own problems. That too, is what victimizers have to do when they overcome what has screwed their lives up.
I know it is popular to, (as the women’s groups, and prosecutors, and psychologists and all the bleeding hearts say) use your anger to modivate you and drive you. The problem with that kind of living, the person you hate controls your actions (in your head) until you forgive him.
You don’t forgive for his benefit, you forgive for your own benefit. As soon as you forgive, you can begin living again. You aren’t driven to do harm to someone else so you can feel better.
Take it from a rape victim. I know.. I can’t blame someone in New York for what a man in England did. It just don’t work..
I hope you and your wife can learn and grow.. leave others alone.
You always have a choice. You can become a survivor, or you can become a professional victim. I see allot of professional victims nowadays.
By the way, statistically speaking, your wife’s father is less likely to harm anyone else than any other type of criminal..
Thank You,
Louis
An interesting point about sex offender registries.
1. First time convictees have been found with maps that highlight sex offender areas and prey in areas that are sex offender free. Parents feel safe because there are no offenders in their neighborhoods.
2. There is evidence of terrorists using the megan’s website to contct and recruit sex offenders with promises of large cash payouts to their families in exchange for conducting terror acts in the united states. Our tax dollars are going towards helping our enemies, nice.
3. The registry is an admittal of a failure of the justice system, just by its existence. If someone is dangerous, and committed a crime, lock them up, if they are not dangerous, and you release them, let them live thier life hassle free. Releasing people and then saying they are dangerous is a pretty stupid thing, typical of the united states isn’t it?
4. no matter what the you feel about the aclu and the cases they take, one thing is for certain, we are born with full rights and only chance losing them. The roding of our rights doesnt stop with sex or drug offenders, it only starts there.
The idea that all sex offenders are (1) predators and (2) incorrigible are urban legends, like the alligators in the New York sewers, but the American public eats it up as fast as the demagogues can dish it out. Try reading some real studies, like Robert Freeman-Longo’s work on sexual offenders, and you’ll find the actual facts, “no spin”.
And by the way–those of you who drivel about the “slap on the wrist” that sex offenders get might be interested in explaining why ex-cop Edwin Mann got 26 years in prison for consensual sex with a teenager, while John and Linda Dollar got 15 years for starving their teenagers to less than 40 pounds and torturing their other kids (ripping out toenails, etc.) These two sentences were both handed down in the Orlando FL area. Sorry, but starving someone to the brink of death is a little worse than giving them an orgasm!
#42 Apostle. I am sorry that your wife is unable to become a survivor. That is truly a sad situation. I know many survivors of child sexual abuse. I will keep your wife in my prayers that she will find peace and survival.
The only reason statistics are blown is because people are allowing them to be blown. As a matter of fact, this particular article quotes Dr. Louis Schlesinger, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice as pedophiles being incurable. I tend to think it is up to an individual person. If they want to badly enough, they can change. They can set up their own perimeters and lead productive, and non offensive lives. Another thing to remember is he is discussing only pedophiles. He is not discussing Registered Sex Offenders. Had they spoken to Dr. Jill Levenson in Florida they would have gotten a different view point. It all depends on whose view point they want to quote. Go to the links others in this blog have suggested and read for yourself. Don’t let others make up your mind for you. Become and informed citizen. You need to be.
The ACLU and George Crossley are going to make great strides in this entire mess. But until all of that comes to fruition, all of you need to know how to protect yourselves and your families. If you have children, you need to know and teach the sex crimes laws to your children. They are being caught up in this insanity so very quickly. Look at the State of Kansas, they have so many children listed on the internet registry it is a disgrace. None of this is as cut and dried as any of you wish it to be. You need to know the laws. Your Children need to know the laws. Ignorance of a law is not a defense.
Thank You,
Amber Leaf
to 34 and 40,
Every sex offender registry I have seen has listed the name, current address of the offender, what the offense was, the date of the ‘alleged’ crime AND the date of the conviction.
I don’t know about you, but from that information I could deduce the age of the perp at the time of conviction AND at the time of the actual ‘offense’.
If you need to brush up on your basic math skills, there are probably some GED or other remedial math courses at an educational facility near you that you could enroll in.
Otherwise, blow it out your ears with the pity party for sexual ‘freaks’, and that still means ADULTS who preyed upon underage children, not two underage children.
Ya know actually, I don’t think we should stop with offenders of sex laws. “Statistics show…” that most people who commit any violent crimes will recommit. In fact, most people who commit any crime, even a “victimless” crime who spends any time in our prison system learns how to commit other crimes while there, including violent crimes. As a matter of fact, breaking & entering is a “violent” type of crime if you think about it – and smacking your wife (or husband) or your kids or some jerk that says something you don’t like is certainly a violent act – and then there’s “road rage” – cutting someone off in traffic. And all of those people are likely to do it again so we might as well stop them in there tracks – send em all to prison – for life (and get 3rd jobs to pay for the taxes to support them – and that evergrowing system of employment assistance for the mentally challenged, socially impaired, and morally corrupt that are hired to guard them). THEN we can go to the elementary schools and start testing all children to determine their “violence quotient” and nip that in the bud before it even starts – because, as one of ya’ll said, “they can’t control themselves”, right? That’s the answer to all of society’s woes – heck, why don’t we just “kill em all and let god sort them out” – like we’re doing to human beings living in the Middle East – YEAH, I’m with ya! Where do I sign up and can I have extra ammo with my automatic weapon?
The Daily Carrier G:23, Post 52,
You haven’t looked at California or Kansas have you..
The issue still remains.
Of course, there is probably something in your past that could be found to qualify for these registries isn’t there?
I’ll bet there is..
It is a sad day in society when those that are sworn to uphold and protect the constitution, merely use it for toilet tissue. The ACLU is there to correct the wrongs iniated upon us by those that no longer seem to abide by the constitution. Yes some seemingly quirky rulings have come out from some of the ACLU’s challenges, but if you look at the constitutional grain on these appeals or rulings, you will find that the ACLU did uphold the constitution, which is to be our safeguard against a tyranical and oppressive government. The “when they came for me” quote of long ago
says it all.
“”First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.”"
–Pastor Martin Niemöller–
This is where the ACLU protects the rights of all, even though It may be seemingly quirky on the surface. The sex offenders are in the political hotseat right now. The civil rights of those that are in this politically hotseat today are the same civil rights that are being gaurded against, when another is in the hotseat tomorrow.
Chew
OK, I see a lot of HATE refering to sex offenders and why not it’s a dispicable crime but I also see in the news that sex offenders are being grouped together and accused for crimes being commited by a few offenders. Just because some sicko kills a child doesn’t mean all sex offenders are killers. We can determine between murder and acidental killing but can not differ sex offenders from sex preditors. We can not judge a person on someone elses crimes or go back 20 years into there lives and punish them again for a past mistake, I would hate to have 20 years of my pass mistakes reacuring, put the past behind and move on punish crimes when they accure and stop punishing sex offenders for assuming there going to commit this crime again.
Rob: It has nothing to do with making her father pay. I couldn’t if I wanted to because he recieved a slap on the wrist. That’s the point.
hmm
Apostle,
Then get over it.. get on with your life and stop trying to make others pay.. You don’t know what you are talking about when you support the people like the author of this site.
Again I ask, have you ever been in prison? If not, how do you know what punishment he received. You judge the judge? You aren’t qualified to do that.. You just want to hate..
To Apostle:
I feel for your pain, the thing is our justice system believe it or not is setup to be fair and just.
If your father-in-law had no prior offences then the punishment part of his crime would be less servier. I was reading an article were a 18yr old was sentanced to 5 years for murder ( that’s right only 5 years ) were drug pushers and what started these posts sex offenders receive many years for a single offence. Is he a registered offender? If so, take note that the punishment is still going on for him and many like him and will be for some time. Are you and your wife seeking help or are you both over the issue? Take care and remember, not all sex offenders are what they are made out to be most do not deserve to be registered, Peace Apostle.
To 54.
When did I say I had checked every last sex offender registry known to man?
I said all the ones I had seen.
My family and I keep tabs on all the local and state registries around us to make sure none of the scuz suckin’ vermin such as you or any of your relatives, do not move too close to our area.
And if there was a charge of that kind ANYWHERE on my record I would have NEVER been allowed to carry daily.
Definition of a Liberal:
A Conservative who just got arrested.
I just love it when people allow political ideology to get in the way of truth and common sense. You people slam the ACLU because it chooses to support causes you don’t agree with. But what of the other causes? If you choose to slam the ACLU I suggest you immediately halt any activity that you are able to do in part because tbe ACLU went to assure that right. Starting with you Mr. Daily Carrier, because without the ACLU you wouldn’t be allowed to even OWN that gun. You are one scary individual. Far too stupid to be allowed to carry a weapon.
– A Statement on Rights –
“Sex Offender Rights” -and- “Sex Offender Privacy Rights”
Those phrases can be misleading and are regularly misused!
RIGHTS DEFINED: The “rights” granted to every Citizen, also apply to ALL sex offenders and flow from common law, constitutional law, and statutory law. These rights apply to every citizen, yet rights can be diminished, if a person adversely infringes on rights of another person.
Some rights are so fundamental that they need no law to define them. At birth a person is automatically entitled to a place in society, a place to live, a place to work to support themselves, a place to worship God according to their belief, and the right to marry, establish a home and bring up children. Absent a criminal act, and then only during the sentence for that act, these rights are fundamental and -cannot be eliminated- by anyone or any government.
Society generally perceives, that ALL sex offenders (society refuses to distinguish between former offenders and current offenders) will recidivate (meaning former offenders will again infringe on the rights of another in the future), and because of that perception, society believes their rights, can or should be diminished today (some feel eliminated, but, the Constitution prohibits that)!
There are some folks who want to diminish rights which exist for ALL sex offenders, those folks fail to recognize, if government can diminish rights of -anyone or a group-, then it has the power to diminish rights of everyone! Someday, every door may knock!
Persons convicted of a CRIME have a circle of people around them, their Zone of Associations, their family (often with children), friends, business associates, and their daily contacts. Finally, when rights of persons PREVIOUSLY convicted of a CRIME are diminished, it effects not only that person, but every person in their Zone of Associations -everyone suffers-, including their children!
The Daily Carrier G:23 Post 61,
Interesting sick choice of words you use. You don’t know my past. I am a victim of male rape when I was 18. So how does this statement of yours apply? “scuz suckin’ vermin such as you or any of your relatives, do not move too close to our area.
This is one reason I believe you have something in your past that would qualify you for registration. Most people who jump to conclusions, like yourself, have a great deal to hide. That is why they (you spew such hatred). It is done to make people look at others and not at you..
You are a hateful person, you are only one decision away from being in prison yourself. I hope when you get there, you meet someone just like you..
I didn’t say you were ever charged with anything or even accused. But statistics say that most sex offences (especially child molesting) don’t get reported. That tells me, and others who do read and understand the reports, that you and others like you are most likely one of the ones not being reported YET.
You opened your post 52 with “Every sex offender registry I have seen has listed the name, current address of the offender, what the offense was, the date of the ‘alleged’ crime AND the date of the conviction.” Giving the impression you had checked more than your own local area.
I stand corrected, you chose to lie, or misrepresent yourself in order to tell people who are learned and schooled in math that they need an education.
The truth is, you sound like a frustrated law enforcement officer, or prosecutor wishing to skew the truth with venom spewed from self hatred.
I don’t agree with letting any sex offender off. I do agree that anyone who has committed any crime should be made to register, be placed on websites and their employers be listed. I think they all should have residence restrictions.
The reports say 87 out of 100 re-arrests are people previously convicted of non-sex related crimes. The reports also say that more than 90 out of 100 sex crimes are committed by people who are first time offenders.
Based on my math skills, that says, most sex crimes are committed by people other than people previously convicted of sex crimes. So, you want to waste everyones money so you can spew your vile all over the place. You make no sense at all..
Have a nice day..
It is still sooo funny to me how easily you lefturds can be stirred to a frenzy.
Let someone mention a weapon, the carrying of which is GUARANTEED by the constitution, and all of you go ballistic(pun intended).
But, none of you have a problem with abortion, which is not even mentioned in the constitution let alone supported by it.
And remember you pile of lefturds, I want the child molesters dead.
You want them released with a slap on the wrist. And in almost ALL cases, the ones who want the LEAST punishment for a crime are the ones guilty of said crime.
Who’s scary now?
If you still think I’m scarry, just remember, I am but one of MILLIONS JUST LIKE ME and we are losing our patience with you.
The Daily Carrier……….
Do you listen to yourself?
The largest occupational group of people arrested for sex crimes are cops, which is also the largest group of people in favor of gun control, something the ACLU is ALSO fighting to protect.
What exactly do YOU think of Al Queda using the Federal sex offender website listing sex offenders’ contact information and offering them large sums of cash in exchange for “help?”
Ask your local pig pen about this, the memos are out, terror groups have offered as much as $100,000 CASH to offenders who have nothing else left to lose, and they plan to blow your ass up first.
Best part of all, YOUR tax dollars are paying for it, hehehe.
The Daily Carrier G:23
Of course you want other child molesters dead, you can’t handle the competition.. idiot..
I suppose you want to kill all women who abort their children.. And you want to kill all those who perform abortions..
And you want to kill all gays..(maybe not) hmm
Frenzy? try that word on yourself.. You refuse to accept the facts, you are a greater risk to women, children and the security of this nation than any other group of people..
Louis, don’t suppose, it makes you look like a bigger idiot than you already appear to be.
Jay,
Why, because I don’t wish all child molesters dead? Or because I am a rape victim and I don’t advocate killing all who have done something like that? Or is it just that you can’t see what this person is advocating. You would probably be on his/her list too..
All this “The Daily Carrier G:23″ wants to do is spread hatred. This person is all for the constitutional guarantee of carrying guns, but wants to violate the constitutional rights of others to live their own lives.
The facts have already been given on this site, and many others. They cannot be changed because people choose not to believe them.
This site and others like it are prime examples of people who just want to harm other people. If it were not so, then, when given the facts, they would be believed and people like this person would calm down and go pick on someone else.
What I don’t understand is why, when given the facts, people won’t listen.
When this craze against (only) sex offenders began, I started looking up as much information about the subject as I could find. During my reading, I found out that sex offenders are less a risk of committing sex offenses than any other group except for murders.
When I found that out, I didn’t support just sex offender registries any more. If my family is at risk of being sexually assaulted, I want them protected.
Picking on people who have already committed a sex offence and have paid for their cime, doesn’t protect my family.
I already pay enough taxes. Why waste the money. Sure, a few sex offenders will re-offend. But more sex offences are being committed by people who weren’t sex offenders. If you and everyone else really want to protect the men, women and children of this great country, why don’t we put together a comprehensive tracking system for all people convicted of crimes. Then we would be able to protect our society, wouldn’t we?
I choose not to kill everyone who has committed a certain crime. There is a reality in this world. No one is without guilt of committing some sort of crime.
Please tell me “Jay” why does that make me an idiot?
Maybe that does make me an idiot. I can live with that.
Be careful of these people who talk about killing other people or wishing people to be killed. You never know who these people are..
This charactor calling him/herself daily carrier G:23 can be a dangerous person. It isn’t hard to find people on the internet. Just be careful. This person doesn’t care about facts. This person makes many assumptions about others and could be a timebomb looking for a target. It might be better not to continue provoking this individual..
You may be right Robert,
Maybe it might be better to just report that kind of person to law enforcement..
robert,
Yes I do care about facts, just not the lefturd bloviated spin that you call facts. I care about the real facts, not yours.
And louis, I can’t help the fact that you got raped and liked it.
It was, and still is my belief that you can’t rape the willing ADULT. If you were a child when it happened, then I belive the one that did it to you should be dead.
Please start with, “oh, lots of the kids the molestors raped were willing”. The constitution says you cannot be willing until the age of 18. Some states have went lower to 16 or 17 with parental pushing to get charges.
You keep insisting that I am including those cases(16 and 17 year olds) in with the others. I have not.
I have ONLY focused on ADULT perpetrators that have molested CHILDREN 12-14 years old and YOUNGER.
Why can’t you realize that FACT?
Oh, by the way, I want to thank all you lefturds, especially you louis.
You made me $132.75.
All I did when I saw this post was bet my co-workers that I could have all you lefturds pissed off AND defending child molestors by the time I had commented 5 times.
The best news, though, is that you have converted a lifelong democrat to the RIGHT side. He was, and still is exasperated that “democrats” could defend such scum as pedophiles. As backup, I showed him some of the other lefturd sites around the net and he had NO idea what he ahd been supporting. He does now.
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!, you are LOSING and will continue to LOSE!!!
HEH HEH HEH…..
“Comment by The Scary Truth on December 10th, 2005 @ 1:15 pm”
scary, my left little toe, I hadn’t seen a conspiracy theory that far out there in a while.
What makes you think that perverts that prey on little children would have the cojones to blow themselves up?
What makes you think terrorists would waste their money on little pansies like that?
There’s a far grater chance that the left will win in ‘06 and ‘08 than your little plan happening.
And that’s virtually impossible!
# 74: The Daily Carrier
Normally I will not feed the Middle School Trolls, but just in case you really are an adult, I would ask you to call your local police station and ask them about terror groups contacting people on the registries. This is not conjecture, this is fact.
Maybe it is a bad plan, maybe you are correct, not one registered sex offender would be selfish enough to commit an act of terror.
Maybe they have too much to lose, like job opportunities, community respect, a chance at life for their kids.
But if you are wrong, and only 1% of them CAN be bought, that is over 500 people already in the United Sttes willing to blow you up.
I have no idea what grade you are in, but your rhetoric is tiring, and your lack of concise and cohesive thought, and your lack of ability to stay on topic shows you are either a kid, or a very ignorant adult.
No one gives two flying [edited] about the next election in this issue you dolt. This is about the ACLU protecting your right to say you want to kill people. This is not a left or right issue. The right use the ACLU just as much as the left.
And that my little bridge dweller, shows your age/intellect more than anything. The only people who are willing to brag and boast about killing another man are people who have either never killed a man, or psychopaths who have. I have killed a man, and let me tell you, it is one of the hardest things I have had to live with and I pray I never have to kill again.
First and formost let me say I do not support Sexual assault. It is very bad when a child gets sexualy assaulted. Saying that I will add that I am a RETIRED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WITH OVER 25 YEARS AS A POLICE OFFICER AND A COMAND OFFICER. Most of the laws the are written such as Sex Offender Laws are what we in Law enfrocement used to call feel good laws. They make the public feel good and think that the law makers are doing some realy good things. When infact those laws do little good and infact in some cases do just the reverse of what they are trying to do. For example in most states they have so many on the Sex offender Registry that it does little good for the public as they have all sex offenders and even people who urionate in public on the Registry. If the Registry is realy to be worth while they must weed out the ones on it that are of little possiable issues for the public or childern. Now lets look at the facts most Sexual assaults are not someone that the victim does not know it is someone they do know. As for sexual offenders that are convicted do they do it again NO THEY ARE VERY LOW IN REPET SEXUAL CRIMES. Now if they are realy such a problem why does not the law makers put money into programs that will help rehibilitate them? And why does the legistators what to spend so much money from Law Enforcement to trace down those that do not register or stay curant with the Registration like they should. This manpower could be better used. But many in the public think these laws will protect them, that in itself is a issue because they let thier gard down. Now lets look at the elected people; I was talking to one and he said you know “as long as we can keep the public thinking that that all sex offenders are bad they (the public) do not look at us as being the worst people on the face of the earth”. “We realy are trying to do do something without spending money on the problem.” I hope some day the public wakes up and starts to thinking that they are getting a poor return on the investment they are making in these laws. I do not even want to talk about the Federal Goverment and the laws they have passed since 9-11 and how we as a socity are lossing many of our rights!! May be someday we will wake up to that also.
Well,well,well! What do we have here, another gathering of the KKK? I actuall thought it was against a bunch of [edited] like you to even exist. I’ll be you all purport to be good Christians also! Well, ya ain’t nothin’ but a bunch of bigot,blowhard,redneck,S.O.B.’S who are cowards and probably molesting children while attempting to stop the ACLU. You have no clue what you’re talkin’ about you just believe what some politician has told you, and you agree to futhur punish people while all you are doing is putting another feather in some [edited] cap, and another doller in his pocket. Before you go spouting off about any subject, get the real facts from government statics reports, and stop showing how ignornat you really are!
You are just so full of [edited] on this issue I won’t even attack you. You don’t have a clue. I dare say that most of the sex offenders that I know are better people than you.
Why all the Anger? I think we ALL agree that child rapist and killers deserve what they get and the sentancing part is the issue not Megans Law, this law does nothing to protect anyone so on that I would say write your legislators to increase penalties for these crimes and stop the madness and civil rights killing.
Now, I would assume all would respect our fore Fathers rules on crime were all deserve a second chance, I made some past mistakes and if I was unable to be forgiven there is no healing or moving on… So Mom please forgive me for skipping school, I promiss not to do it again.. Everyone deserves a chance to move on please give your fellow MAN a chance and punish those whom do not learn from there mistakes. The past is the past, what you learn from your past and what you do with your future defines you as a person.
Mr Allen needs to do some more resears about sex offendrs, he might want to read the reports the justace depatment puts out.
To Tim. #76. First sir, I want to applaud you for realizing the truth and the facts. This does not happen often. But in my research in this, I have come across many Law Enforcement and Probation/Parole Officers who feel exactly as you do. Rehabilitation would be a lot less costly than the GPS (which doesn’t always work), the extra LE needed to check the registrants, extra administrative staff to make sure the information is put into the database and of course the extra money some states receive that they shouldn’t be. In that last comment, I am pointing to the fact that in Florida they are being paid for the dead, deported and not residing in Florida sex offenders they have on their registry. The problem with this is the states that these sex offenders do reside are also being paid for the same person. Don’t you just love the way your tax dollars are spent?
I have also talked to many therapists on this issue. The large majority of them feel rehabilitation is the main thing to be done. In my opinion, that needs to go a little further. I feel there should also be Victim/Offender Counseling. I feel this would not only help the offender to see the pain he or she caused to the Victim, but would also allow the Victim to speak to the Offender and get possible questions answered. This would enable the Victim to heal, this would enable the Offender to heal. I have many therapists that agree with me on this. We are working on it. We hope to start contacting the Legislators soon with this.
The feel good laws do absolutely nothing to protect anyone. The perceived “predator behind every bush” is total nonsense. You have now had a Law Enforcement person tell you these same things. Can you not see this?
For those of you whom have stated you were child victims, I will continue to pray for you and to pray that you will become a Survivor and not a victim.
Thank You
here’s one to prove it!
http://www.post-gazette.com/breaking/20040329pornp6.asp
In response to post 73,
I am amused you make money on the reaction you can get from people. The spin has been placed on the facts by people like you. I simply quote exactly what came from the reports from the Department of Justice in 2003.
You ignore the realities of 87 out of 100 re-arrests are people who have never before been convicted of a sex crime, but rather, have been convicted of non-sex related crimes, before committing the sex crime. That is simple facts. The spin is you placing all of the responsibility of those crimes on people who have been proven to be less likely than any other, to re-commit a crime. The reports have already been cited on this website.
As far as your statement about me being raped when I was 18 and liking it. It is agonizingly stupid rationale such as yours that makes people hate.
I do not like nor do I support sexual abuse to or by anyone. I personally believe that people who do such things should be severely punished.
But, as with all other crimes, when the person has served his or her time and punishment. People should give them the chance to start over.
Your rhetoric doesn’t make anything true, except for the beliefs of most, that guns aren’t a danger, stupid people are.
As far as the person who raped me, he is dead.. I shouldn’t have to say any more..
I have led a drug & alchol free lifestyle for 4-years come 01/02/06!! I’ve managed to do this through the help of Narcotics Anonymous (meetings, literature, and the fellowship of recovering addtics). I learned that the “core” of “my desease” is “my self-centered-ness;” or my being selfish. I have learned that “service work;” or helping others “stay clean” is the key to continued recovery…
The same technique is needed within the realm of sex offender recovery. The effort of making ammends is vidal to One’s recovery. Not to say that a victim can or shall “forgive” the assailant; but rather to bring about some meaningful purpose back into the “X-sex offenders” life; (as most are truely heart broken at the act that has happened).
I am a “X”-sex offender; it has been 18-years since I commited my offence; and I can’t go back and change history… However I can take every measure to ensure that it never happens again. Today I feel EMPATHY for people whereas prior to my offence I didn’t understand how to. Today I have tools which I use to curb my speeding as a driver, my anger, my resentments, so that I can live a meaningful life. Today I have my own family, friends, neighbors, bosses & co-workers who all know about my past mistake, and are still there to support me… and that means the world to me…
The truth is there is a national crisis taking place right before our eyes… teachers, clergy, doctors, lawyers, rich & poor alike are showing up in the news daily as NEWLY CONVICTED sex offenders, and that’s only the ones that are caught!!
The current law of DNA testing of those convicted of a sex offence is in reality the only law that has any validity; as no law will ever protect the children from a true preditor. Those previously convicted RARELY RE-OFFEND… so therefore the main effort and money should be spent on a means of RECOVERY before any other offence takes place by either a first time offender or a repeat offender.
It is very true that child molesters and killers should remain in prison for a long long time. But to those of you who think that the Sex Offender Registry is the answer, well sorry to tell you that it is just a feel good law. Yes as a retired police officer of over 25 years service, I can tell you that for the most part this law is a law that we in Law Enforcement used to call a feel good law. It makes the public feel good and makes them think that the people who write the laws are doing thier job. Well infact it does nothing to prevent crimes, for the most part every state has put so many people on the Registry that it does the public no good to know the people on it. If it had child molesters and those who have forced them selfs on a victim that would be one thing that for the most part it has many people on it that should not be as they are not any public danger. The Law makers realy missed a chance to make these laws work for the public. Had they made the offenders work to get off the Registry. Say go 10 years with no vilolations of the law and they could ask the court of record to have thier name removed. The court of record should have had that right within the law had the offender not comitted a vilotant crime in the first place against an adult victim ( such as just touching an adult improperly). However had the offender used a weapon, drugs date rape or if the victim was a minor then the offenders name should remain on the Registry for ever. And to those who think knowing the people on the Registry will protect your family well you have missed the most important number of all, over 95% of sexual assaults are by a person known to the victim. So who you realy need to watch is your own family members. So you can say all you want about the ACLU and others who are trying to change these laws, sorry to tell you this time they have it right.
Tim,
There is allot of personal preference in your comment. The fact of the matter is, you also miss the point. 87 out of 100 people rearrested for sex crimes are people who have never before committed a sex crime. I am talking about people who have a criminal history already.
If you take your figure of 95% and include 87% rearrested for repeat crimes. That don’t leave very many people who were previously convicted of a sex crime. In fact, there are so few people who have been convicted of sex crimes who actually repeat sex crimes, there isn’t a financial, or realistic social interest in these people to support the registry (websites).
Factoring in the “child molestors” which ones are you talking about, familial molests or predator type molests? If you are talking about familial, you have no justification at all, considering only 3 out of one hundred of those will ever re-commit any crime, let alone a sex related crime. Unless you are really saying that placement on the websites is for punishment. That is what it is.. actually. But none of you law enforcement people will openly admit it..