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	<title>Comments on: NYCLU Loses In NYC Subway Bag Search Case</title>
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		<title>By: The Wide Awakes &#38;#38;#187; NYCLU Loses Against NYC Subway Bag Searches</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/12/02/nyclu-loses-in-nyc-subway-bag-search-case/comment-page-1/#comment-42172</link>
		<dc:creator>The Wide Awakes &#38;#38;#187; NYCLU Loses Against NYC Subway Bag Searches</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 23:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: loboinok</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/12/02/nyclu-loses-in-nyc-subway-bag-search-case/comment-page-1/#comment-42171</link>
		<dc:creator>loboinok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 18:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;THIS is common sense. Common sense says that if you are going to do searches then make sure they actually make a difference.&quot;

	&quot;Common sense&quot; tells me to wait until there is actually a bombing in the NYC subways, before saying that searches make no difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;THIS is common sense. Common sense says that if you are going to do searches then make sure they actually make a difference.&#8221;</p>
<p>	&#8220;Common sense&#8221; tells me to wait until there is actually a bombing in the NYC subways, before saying that searches make no difference.</p>
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		<title>By: brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Dec 2005 15:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a huge difference between a private organization and the government doing searches.  It seems that most people have their selective blinders on, as usual.

	I can vouch that the searches are pointless.  They don&#039;t do searching at every station.  What is stopping bombers from just going to another station and taking the train to their intended station, then going boom?  Nothing.  The searches are there to make the citizens feel good and safe.  In reality searching make the subways no more safe.

	Do you actually think that if a bomber wanted to do a killing in the nyc subway that they would be deterred by random searches?  No.  If someone were intent, then they would do it despite the searches.  So why have them other than to make people feel all good and goshie inside?

	If you think doing random searching at a few stations makes the subway system any safer then I have to tell you that you have been suckered.

	I would rather face the reality that the money is better spent else where because it isn&#039;t doing a single thing to make people safer. Given that it isn&#039;t, it should be spent else where.

	Forget the arguement of legality.  Doing searches is a waste of tax payer money.  THIS is common sense.  Common sense says that if you are going to do searches then make sure they actually make a difference.  Common sense does NOT say that they should be done, period because that doesn&#039;t account for effectiveness (other than the public psychology/pathology)

	I can feel your arguement, &quot;but then you would say to not search at the airport.&quot;  At the airport the searching has a chance of making people safer because they do EVERYONE.

	I was hoping the ACLU would win the case only because it would stop the ephin waste.

	This brings up a great question, do you choose your the value set of Republican money grubbing or the Republican values of (false) &quot;security&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a huge difference between a private organization and the government doing searches.  It seems that most people have their selective blinders on, as usual.</p>
<p>	I can vouch that the searches are pointless.  They don&#8217;t do searching at every station.  What is stopping bombers from just going to another station and taking the train to their intended station, then going boom?  Nothing.  The searches are there to make the citizens feel good and safe.  In reality searching make the subways no more safe.</p>
<p>	Do you actually think that if a bomber wanted to do a killing in the nyc subway that they would be deterred by random searches?  No.  If someone were intent, then they would do it despite the searches.  So why have them other than to make people feel all good and goshie inside?</p>
<p>	If you think doing random searching at a few stations makes the subway system any safer then I have to tell you that you have been suckered.</p>
<p>	I would rather face the reality that the money is better spent else where because it isn&#8217;t doing a single thing to make people safer. Given that it isn&#8217;t, it should be spent else where.</p>
<p>	Forget the arguement of legality.  Doing searches is a waste of tax payer money.  THIS is common sense.  Common sense says that if you are going to do searches then make sure they actually make a difference.  Common sense does NOT say that they should be done, period because that doesn&#8217;t account for effectiveness (other than the public psychology/pathology)</p>
<p>	I can feel your arguement, &#8220;but then you would say to not search at the airport.&#8221;  At the airport the searching has a chance of making people safer because they do EVERYONE.</p>
<p>	I was hoping the ACLU would win the case only because it would stop the ephin waste.</p>
<p>	This brings up a great question, do you choose your the value set of Republican money grubbing or the Republican values of (false) &#8220;security&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: The National Institute for Truth and Freedom</title>
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		<dc:creator>The National Institute for Truth and Freedom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 17:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;A Victory for Common Sense&lt;/strong&gt;
	The thing that the ACLU wants everyone to forget is the fourth amendment has a very important condition for unconstitutional searches, which would be the word &quot;unreasonable.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>A Victory for Common Sense</strong><br />
	The thing that the ACLU wants everyone to forget is the fourth amendment has a very important condition for unconstitutional searches, which would be the word &#8220;unreasonable.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Drumwaster</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/12/02/nyclu-loses-in-nyc-subway-bag-search-case/comment-page-1/#comment-42168</link>
		<dc:creator>Drumwaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Oh, come on. These searches are completely useless.&lt;/i&gt;
	Then why is the NYCLU demanding that anyone entering their building submit to such a search being allowed to get past the lobby?

	&#039;Safety for me, but not for thee&#039;, eh?

	Farkin hypocrites...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Oh, come on. These searches are completely useless.</i><br />
	Then why is the NYCLU demanding that anyone entering their building submit to such a search being allowed to get past the lobby?</p>
<p>	&#8216;Safety for me, but not for thee&#8217;, eh?</p>
<p>	Farkin hypocrites&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: A Blog For All</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/12/02/nyclu-loses-in-nyc-subway-bag-search-case/comment-page-1/#comment-42167</link>
		<dc:creator>A Blog For All</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 13:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Victory for Commuters&lt;/strong&gt;
	Commuters 1 - NYCLU 0. A federal judge ruled on Friday it was constitutional for police to randomly search riders&#039; bags on the New York City subway to deter a terrorist attack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Victory for Commuters</strong><br />
	Commuters 1 &#8211; NYCLU 0. A federal judge ruled on Friday it was constitutional for police to randomly search riders&#8217; bags on the New York City subway to deter a terrorist attack.</p>
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		<title>By: The MaryHunter</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/12/02/nyclu-loses-in-nyc-subway-bag-search-case/comment-page-1/#comment-42166</link>
		<dc:creator>The MaryHunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 13:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whodathunk, and in New York no less. I guess the district judge&#039;s jurisprudence included a little memory of 9/11. Encouraging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whodathunk, and in New York no less. I guess the district judge&#8217;s jurisprudence included a little memory of 9/11. Encouraging.</p>
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		<title>By: Sister Toldjah</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/12/02/nyclu-loses-in-nyc-subway-bag-search-case/comment-page-1/#comment-42165</link>
		<dc:creator>Sister Toldjah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 12:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;A victory for national security&lt;/strong&gt;
		Back in early August, I blogged about the NYCLU&#38;#8217;s (New York Civil Liberties Union) plans to file a lawsuit against the NYPD&#38;#8217;s policy on random searches of New York City subway passengers.
		Well, they did get around to filing that lawsuit...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>A victory for national security</strong><br />
		Back in early August, I blogged about the NYCLU&#38;#38;#8217;s (New York Civil Liberties Union) plans to file a lawsuit against the NYPD&#38;#38;#8217;s policy on random searches of New York City subway passengers.<br />
		Well, they did get around to filing that lawsuit&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/12/02/nyclu-loses-in-nyc-subway-bag-search-case/comment-page-1/#comment-42164</link>
		<dc:creator>Unpartisan.com Political News and Blog Aggregator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 10:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Judge OKs N.Y. bag searches&lt;/strong&gt;
	A federal judge Friday upheld the police department?s practice of randomly searching subway riders?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Judge OKs N.Y. bag searches</strong><br />
	A federal judge Friday upheld the police department?s practice of randomly searching subway riders?</p>
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		<title>By: iHillary Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/12/02/nyclu-loses-in-nyc-subway-bag-search-case/comment-page-1/#comment-42163</link>
		<dc:creator>iHillary Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 06:22:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Stealth&lt;/strong&gt;
	Merry Christmas to the good people at Stop the ACLU... and full speed ahead in 2006!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Stealth</strong><br />
	Merry Christmas to the good people at Stop the ACLU&#8230; and full speed ahead in 2006!</p>
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