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	<description>Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer</description>
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		<title>By: cao</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/26/padillas-indictment/comment-page-1/#comment-41739</link>
		<dc:creator>cao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, Meatbrain, I answered you in an entire post over at my place and instead of reading that, you come over to someone else&#039;s blog and start up this conversation out of the blue on something I cross posted.

	This is not my blog and you are offensive and rude in taking this &quot;debate&quot; if you want to call it that--all over the blogosphere.  it&#039;s not enough that you&#039;re throwing a tantrum over at your place, or sending me trackback spam or &quot;tiny url&#039;s&quot;...you have to take the argument over here where probably most people are unaware of what has taken place or the history of it.

	You are completely unparalleled in the brass balls category, I&#039;ll give you that, but I am not going to obey you, or play by your rules--no matter where or how you stalk me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, Meatbrain, I answered you in an entire post over at my place and instead of reading that, you come over to someone else&#8217;s blog and start up this conversation out of the blue on something I cross posted.</p>
<p>	This is not my blog and you are offensive and rude in taking this &#8220;debate&#8221; if you want to call it that&#8211;all over the blogosphere.  it&#8217;s not enough that you&#8217;re throwing a tantrum over at your place, or sending me trackback spam or &#8220;tiny url&#8217;s&#8221;&#8230;you have to take the argument over here where probably most people are unaware of what has taken place or the history of it.</p>
<p>	You are completely unparalleled in the brass balls category, I&#8217;ll give you that, but I am not going to obey you, or play by your rules&#8211;no matter where or how you stalk me.</p>
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		<title>By: cao</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/26/padillas-indictment/comment-page-1/#comment-41738</link>
		<dc:creator>cao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Government contended that the President has authority to detain Padilla militarily pursuant to the Commander in Chief Clause of the Constitution, Art. II, §2, cl. 1, the congressional AUMF, and this Court&#039;s decision in Ex parte Quirin, 317 U. S. 1 (1942).

	The court accepted the Government&#039;s contention that the President has authority to detain as enemy combatants citizens captured on American soil during a time of war. Id., at 587-599.5

	So if you can provide me with the detailed legal argument that illustrates definitively that his &quot;rights&quot; are being denied, please do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Government contended that the President has authority to detain Padilla militarily pursuant to the Commander in Chief Clause of the Constitution, Art. II, §2, cl. 1, the congressional AUMF, and this Court&#8217;s decision in Ex parte Quirin, 317 U. S. 1 (1942).</p>
<p>	The court accepted the Government&#8217;s contention that the President has authority to detain as enemy combatants citizens captured on American soil during a time of war. Id., at 587-599.5</p>
<p>	So if you can provide me with the detailed legal argument that illustrates definitively that his &#8220;rights&#8221; are being denied, please do so.</p>
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		<title>By: cao</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/26/padillas-indictment/comment-page-1/#comment-41737</link>
		<dc:creator>cao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 23:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I&#039;m concerned, when you join the enemy who&#039;s taken a blood vow to destroy the American way of life and the infidel--you&#039;ve waived your rights if you&#039;re an American citizen, and you have no rights if you&#039;re not an American citizen.

	According to Article I, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution, “Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.” The question of suspending habeas corpus, then, turns on interpreting “rebellion” and “invasion.”

	Since Jose Padilla is a citizen of the United States, recently converted to Islam, changed his name to Abdullah Al Muhajir, and visited the Middle East, including Afghanistan and Pakistan and had contact with Al Qaeda operatives for the purpose of making and detonating a dirty bomb, this point is moot.

	Section Three (the section on Treason in the US Constitution) also requires the testimony of two different witnesses on the same “overt” act, or a confession by the accused, to convict for treason. In Cramer v. United States , the Court ruled that “every act, movement, deed, and word of the defendant charged to constitute treason must be supported by the testimony of two witnesses.” In Haupt v. United States , however, the Supreme Court found that two witnesses are not required to prove intent; nor are two witnesses required to prove that an overt act is treasonable. The two witnesses, according to the decision, are only required to prove that the overt act actually occurred.

	Furthermore, Section Three permits Congress to determine the punishment for treason. No-one convicted of treason “shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person” so convicted. In other words, the descendants of someone convicted for treason could not, as they were under English law, be considered “tainted” (i.e., their blood could not be corrupted) by the treason of their ancestor. Furthermore, the clause permits Congress to confiscate the property of traitors, but that property must be inheritable at the death of the person convicted.

	So what &quot;constitutional rights&quot; are you talking about that he has that the ACLU is upholding/defending in this case?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned, when you join the enemy who&#8217;s taken a blood vow to destroy the American way of life and the infidel&#8211;you&#8217;ve waived your rights if you&#8217;re an American citizen, and you have no rights if you&#8217;re not an American citizen.</p>
<p>	According to Article I, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution, “Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.” The question of suspending habeas corpus, then, turns on interpreting “rebellion” and “invasion.”</p>
<p>	Since Jose Padilla is a citizen of the United States, recently converted to Islam, changed his name to Abdullah Al Muhajir, and visited the Middle East, including Afghanistan and Pakistan and had contact with Al Qaeda operatives for the purpose of making and detonating a dirty bomb, this point is moot.</p>
<p>	Section Three (the section on Treason in the US Constitution) also requires the testimony of two different witnesses on the same “overt” act, or a confession by the accused, to convict for treason. In Cramer v. United States , the Court ruled that “every act, movement, deed, and word of the defendant charged to constitute treason must be supported by the testimony of two witnesses.” In Haupt v. United States , however, the Supreme Court found that two witnesses are not required to prove intent; nor are two witnesses required to prove that an overt act is treasonable. The two witnesses, according to the decision, are only required to prove that the overt act actually occurred.</p>
<p>	Furthermore, Section Three permits Congress to determine the punishment for treason. No-one convicted of treason “shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person” so convicted. In other words, the descendants of someone convicted for treason could not, as they were under English law, be considered “tainted” (i.e., their blood could not be corrupted) by the treason of their ancestor. Furthermore, the clause permits Congress to confiscate the property of traitors, but that property must be inheritable at the death of the person convicted.</p>
<p>	So what &#8220;constitutional rights&#8221; are you talking about that he has that the ACLU is upholding/defending in this case?</p>
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		<title>By: Earl M Evletj</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/26/padillas-indictment/comment-page-1/#comment-41736</link>
		<dc:creator>Earl M Evletj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I can’t understand what legal grounds the ACLU thinks they’re standing on when they’re defending this enemy of the United States.&quot;

	Simple, the charges have not yet been proven. So the ACLU defends his
	rights accorded him under the Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I can’t understand what legal grounds the ACLU thinks they’re standing on when they’re defending this enemy of the United States.&#8221;</p>
<p>	Simple, the charges have not yet been proven. So the ACLU defends his<br />
	rights accorded him under the Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: S. Lyons</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/26/padillas-indictment/comment-page-1/#comment-41735</link>
		<dc:creator>S. Lyons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 02:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As it stands now, a circuit court has given Bush the authority to permanently detain ANY US citizen on his say-so alone.  Not a shred of evidence is required.

	Bush could, quite literally, &quot;vanish&quot; the winner of the next election if it&#039;s a democrat. Legally.  It&#039;s official and in writing, and the SCOTUS, in its present form, is unlikely to put a stop to it.

	After all, oppose the president on this one and some of them might find themselves declared as enemy combatants.

	The president -is- terrorism, in its truest and most dangerous form.  And he&#039;s a far greater threat to America than the brown &quot;furriners&quot; repubs constantly cry about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As it stands now, a circuit court has given Bush the authority to permanently detain ANY US citizen on his say-so alone.  Not a shred of evidence is required.</p>
<p>	Bush could, quite literally, &#8220;vanish&#8221; the winner of the next election if it&#8217;s a democrat. Legally.  It&#8217;s official and in writing, and the SCOTUS, in its present form, is unlikely to put a stop to it.</p>
<p>	After all, oppose the president on this one and some of them might find themselves declared as enemy combatants.</p>
<p>	The president -is- terrorism, in its truest and most dangerous form.  And he&#8217;s a far greater threat to America than the brown &#8220;furriners&#8221; repubs constantly cry about.</p>
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		<title>By: The Strata-Sphere &#38;#38;#187; Blog Archive &#38;#38;#187; Terror On The Run In US &#38;#38;#38; World</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/26/padillas-indictment/comment-page-1/#comment-41734</link>
		<dc:creator>The Strata-Sphere &#38;#38;#187; Blog Archive &#38;#38;#187; Terror On The Run In US &#38;#38;#38; World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There has been a flood of progress in prosecuting terrorists in the US recently. A local teen was convicted from my home area in Northern Virginia for joining Al Qaeda and plotting to kill the President. Also recently Jose Padilla was indicted on charges that leave our intelligence assets and methods classified and out of court. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There has been a flood of progress in prosecuting terrorists in the US recently. A local teen was convicted from my home area in Northern Virginia for joining Al Qaeda and plotting to kill the President. Also recently Jose Padilla was indicted on charges that leave our intelligence assets and methods classified and out of court. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Strata-Sphere</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/26/padillas-indictment/comment-page-1/#comment-41733</link>
		<dc:creator>The Strata-Sphere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 23:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Terror On The Run In US&lt;/strong&gt;
		There has been a flood of progress in prosecuting terrorists in the US recently.  A local teen was convicted from my home area in Northern Virginia for joining Al Qaeda and plotting to kill the President.  Also recently Jose Padilla was indicted on ch...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Terror On The Run In US</strong><br />
		There has been a flood of progress in prosecuting terrorists in the US recently.  A local teen was convicted from my home area in Northern Virginia for joining Al Qaeda and plotting to kill the President.  Also recently Jose Padilla was indicted on ch&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Peace Moonbeam Chronicles</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/26/padillas-indictment/comment-page-1/#comment-41732</link>
		<dc:creator>The Peace Moonbeam Chronicles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 19:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Fowl Leftovers&lt;/strong&gt;
	November 26, 2005 Berkeley, California What a week this was! Several of us decided to spend Thanksgiving in peaceful protest against military recruitment in schools. We chose to picket the local army recruitment center located several blocks from my ho...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Fowl Leftovers</strong><br />
	November 26, 2005 Berkeley, California What a week this was! Several of us decided to spend Thanksgiving in peaceful protest against military recruitment in schools. We chose to picket the local army recruitment center located several blocks from my ho&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Schantz</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/26/padillas-indictment/comment-page-1/#comment-41731</link>
		<dc:creator>David Schantz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I&#039;m concerned filling out a terrorist training camp application should be reason enough to consider him a terrorist and treat him as such.

	God Bless America, God Save The Republic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned filling out a terrorist training camp application should be reason enough to consider him a terrorist and treat him as such.</p>
<p>	God Bless America, God Save The Republic</p>
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