Comments on: Report Of Lions Used To Interrogate Detainees http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/15/report-of-lions-used-to-interrogate-detainees/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Mon, 13 Feb 2012 13:01:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Stop The ACLU » Blog Archive » ACLU’s War Against National Security http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/15/report-of-lions-used-to-interrogate-detainees/comment-page-1/#comment-40620 Stop The ACLU » Blog Archive » ACLU’s War Against National Security Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:57:15 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/11/15/report-of-lions-used-to-interrogate-detainees/#comment-40620 [...] Recently the ACLU have decided to represent two detainees who claim the U.S. Military threw them into lions dens. Somebody is lion alright. They have also accused the U.S. military of outright murdering 21 detainees. They have even advised the majority of the prisoners at Gitmo that they did not have to answer questions from military interrogators. [...] [...] Recently the ACLU have decided to represent two detainees who claim the U.S. Military threw them into lions dens. Somebody is lion alright. They have also accused the U.S. military of outright murdering 21 detainees. They have even advised the majority of the prisoners at Gitmo that they did not have to answer questions from military interrogators. [...]

]]> By: Dethanial http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/15/report-of-lions-used-to-interrogate-detainees/comment-page-1/#comment-40619 Dethanial Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:03:44 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/11/15/report-of-lions-used-to-interrogate-detainees/#comment-40619 I made a mess of that last post. It should have been "Were lions used or just lion cages. I made a mess of that last post. It should have been “Were lions used or just lion cages.

]]> By: Dethanial http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/15/report-of-lions-used-to-interrogate-detainees/comment-page-1/#comment-40618 Dethanial Thu, 17 Nov 2005 04:02:43 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/11/15/report-of-lions-used-to-interrogate-detainees/#comment-40618 Were lions used of just lion cages. If they only used cages why did they not have the lions in them. Were lions used of just lion cages. If they only used cages why did they not have the lions in them.

]]> By: chris http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/15/report-of-lions-used-to-interrogate-detainees/comment-page-1/#comment-40617 chris Wed, 16 Nov 2005 04:14:43 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/11/15/report-of-lions-used-to-interrogate-detainees/#comment-40617 http://legalxxx.blogspot.com/ has the story too http://legalxxx.blogspot.com/ has the story too

]]> By: Conservative Angst http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/15/report-of-lions-used-to-interrogate-detainees/comment-page-1/#comment-40616 Conservative Angst Wed, 16 Nov 2005 03:23:21 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/11/15/report-of-lions-used-to-interrogate-detainees/#comment-40616 <strong>Report Of Lions Used To Interrogate Detainees</strong> It seems that we have a couple more ?I was abused? types being detained in Iraq. This pair have claimed that our guys arrested them for no reason then tortured them. Their claim is that our guys put them into a lion cage to force a confession out of ... Report Of Lions Used To Interrogate Detainees
It seems that we have a couple more ?I was abused? types being detained in Iraq. This pair have claimed that our guys arrested them for no reason then tortured them. Their claim is that our guys put them into a lion cage to force a confession out of …

]]> By: ArrMatey http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/15/report-of-lions-used-to-interrogate-detainees/comment-page-1/#comment-40615 ArrMatey Wed, 16 Nov 2005 03:18:47 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/11/15/report-of-lions-used-to-interrogate-detainees/#comment-40615 Jay, take a look at this from the article you linked: Sabbar, 37, and Sherzad Kamal Khalid, 35, are in the United States this week to talk about the lawsuit that the American Civil Liberties Union and Human Rights First filed on their behalf against Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and other military officials. The suit, which was filed in March and transferred to U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., details sexual abuse, mock executions, water and food deprivation, electric shock and other torture used on eight detainees, including Sabbar and Khalid. It does not mention the lion cage. ...it seems to me that if the lawsuit crafted by the ACLU doesn't mention the lions, that even they couldn't get past the snicker factor in the claim, which naturally invites more scrutiny of their other claims. If your lawyers don't believe you, why should the newspaper that printed the story? Jay, take a look at this from the article you linked:

Sabbar, 37, and Sherzad Kamal Khalid, 35, are in the United States this week to talk about the lawsuit that the American Civil Liberties Union and Human Rights First filed on their behalf against Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and other military officials.

The suit, which was filed in March and transferred to U.S. District Court in Washington, D.C., details sexual abuse, mock executions, water and food deprivation, electric shock and other torture used on eight detainees, including Sabbar and Khalid. It does not mention the lion cage.

…it seems to me that if the lawsuit crafted by the ACLU doesn’t mention the lions, that even they couldn’t get past the snicker factor in the claim, which naturally invites more scrutiny of their other claims.

If your lawyers don’t believe you, why should the newspaper that printed the story?

]]> By: ArrMatey http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/15/report-of-lions-used-to-interrogate-detainees/comment-page-1/#comment-40614 ArrMatey Wed, 16 Nov 2005 03:14:59 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/11/15/report-of-lions-used-to-interrogate-detainees/#comment-40614 Lions? SOP calls for rabid badgers. Bad tradecraft, there. Lions? SOP calls for rabid badgers. Bad tradecraft, there.

]]> By: chris http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/15/report-of-lions-used-to-interrogate-detainees/comment-page-1/#comment-40613 chris Wed, 16 Nov 2005 02:49:44 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/11/15/report-of-lions-used-to-interrogate-detainees/#comment-40613 Well, if you want to get realistic, I don’t know that we aren’t being harsh enough in our treatment. First of all, our treatment of enemy combatants is governed by the Geneva Convention. That being said, so far as I know, we have never fought an enemy that signed the convention articles. Secondly, the Geneva Convention only governs enemy combatants who by definition are in uniform, and are fighting on behalf of a nation. As far as I know those we are fighting and capturing are not part of a nation, and are definitely not in uniform. So I don’t see how the convention applies. Third, these detainees are nod being held on US soil, therefore, US criminal rights, and US constitutional rights do not apply to them. Frankly I think we need to start using lions, and if lions aren’t enough, dinosaurs, guns, fire, water, loud noises... if any thing can help save the life of even one innocent person, I’m all for it. Now realistically, torture, and physical pain does not work. if you put someone through enough pain, they will tell you who built the pyramids, that does not necessarily mean that they actually know. I do know that things like scopolomine and Sodium Penthanol do work very well. And we shouldn't be afraid that someone with no idea about the dynamics of war, or the comprehension of how difficult it can be to extract information from a person that is conditioned not to talk; would try to whine and complain about "mistreatment and offending." I'm sorry I was pretty damn offended when planes crashed into the WTC. And if you want to talk about mistreatment, how about public beheadings? Where is the outrage about Nick Bergs human rights? What about all those that have been murdered in the name of "the religion of peace?" Well, if you want to get realistic, I don’t know that we aren’t being harsh enough in our treatment. First of all, our treatment of enemy combatants is governed by the Geneva Convention. That being said, so far as I know, we have never fought an enemy that signed the convention articles. Secondly, the Geneva Convention only governs enemy combatants who by definition are in uniform, and are fighting on behalf of a nation. As far as I know those we are fighting and capturing are not part of a nation, and are definitely not in uniform. So I don’t see how the convention applies. Third, these detainees are nod being held on US soil, therefore, US criminal rights, and US constitutional rights do not apply to them. Frankly I think we need to start using lions, and if lions aren’t enough, dinosaurs, guns, fire, water, loud noises… if any thing can help save the life of even one innocent person, I’m all for it. Now realistically, torture, and physical pain does not work. if you put someone through enough pain, they will tell you who built the pyramids, that does not necessarily mean that they actually know. I do know that things like scopolomine and Sodium Penthanol do work very well. And we shouldn’t be afraid that someone with no idea about the dynamics of war, or the comprehension of how difficult it can be to extract information from a person that is conditioned not to talk; would try to whine and complain about “mistreatment and offending.” I’m sorry I was pretty damn offended when planes crashed into the WTC. And if you want to talk about mistreatment, how about public beheadings? Where is the outrage about Nick Bergs human rights? What about all those that have been murdered in the name of “the religion of peace?”

]]> By: Dethanial http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/15/report-of-lions-used-to-interrogate-detainees/comment-page-1/#comment-40612 Dethanial Wed, 16 Nov 2005 02:39:44 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/11/15/report-of-lions-used-to-interrogate-detainees/#comment-40612 Of course it was said that the pictures of the father in Palastine that was trying to protect his boy who later got killed was real, but later it was found that is was fake. I had better quite thinking about this or I will post some more or CAIR will surely behead me. Of course it was said that the pictures of the father in Palastine that was trying to protect his boy who later got killed was real, but later it was found that is was fake. I had better quite thinking about this or I will post some more or CAIR will surely behead me.

]]> By: Kevin Mark Smith http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/15/report-of-lions-used-to-interrogate-detainees/comment-page-1/#comment-40611 Kevin Mark Smith Wed, 16 Nov 2005 02:37:37 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/11/15/report-of-lions-used-to-interrogate-detainees/#comment-40611 What's wrong with threats? That's the only truly effective way to glean information from scumbags. Indeed, the big problem I see with some screwball rule against torture is that it telegraphs to terrorists that whatever threat American soldiers make means nothing. Bring on the lions! What’s wrong with threats? That’s the only truly effective way to glean information from scumbags. Indeed, the big problem I see with some screwball rule against torture is that it telegraphs to terrorists that whatever threat American soldiers make means nothing. Bring on the lions!

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