Comments on: Top Ten Reasons To Stop The ACLU http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/10/top-ten-reasons-to-stop-the-aclu/ Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer Mon, 13 Feb 2012 10:08:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: An American Soldier http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/10/top-ten-reasons-to-stop-the-aclu/comment-page-2/#comment-76238 An American Soldier Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:53:52 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/11/10/top-ten-reasons-to-stop-the-aclu/#comment-76238 When I came home from Iraq I was diagnosed with PTSD, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, I was told that I am sick that I am not Right. Then I turned on the TV and I see Dick Durbin saying American soldiers are committing acts of torture at places like Abu Grab and Quantico because they had a Al-Qaida terrorist who saws civilians heads off with their hands tied behind their backs, Al-Qaida terrorist who places bombs on three year old children (I was in Iraq and I seen it first hand!), Al-Qaida terrorist who came in our country when we were at peace and murdered over three thousand American civilians, and they had these terrorist standing on a bar stool with a dunce cap on their head and that?s Torture! Why in the hell didn?t he say a damned thing about Matt Maupin, Shoshana Johnson, Edgar Hernandez, James Riley, Patric Miller, Joseph Hudson, Jacob N. Fritz, Johnathan B. Chism, Shawn P. Falter, Johnathon M. Millican, or any of the other American soldiers who have been captured during this war! Private Kristian Menchaca of Houston and Private Thomas Tucker of Oregon were captured by terrorists in Iraq , hacked to death, their eyes gouged, their bodies defiled. In fact it was the American soldiers who have died including all those who have been captured in this war (and I haven?t seen seen any enemy POW camps but I?ve seen a [edited] load of bodies that have been tortured to death by these scum that Dick Durbin is defending!) that give Dick Durbin the FREEDOM to call them terrorist for putting some Al-Qaida dirt bag on a bar stool with pajamas and a dunce cap! I might have PTSD but I?m not the one who is sick it?s DICK DURBIN! Are you Really an AMERICAN DICK?!?! Or just another [edited] up FAG Loving Liberal who hates AMERICA ? Is this where all my tax money is going to support [edited] like this MORON, who spit on my brothers who have the BALLS to wear the uniform and risk their lives so this sorry excuse of an American can live his pampered lifestyle and spit on the very men and women who die and bleed so he can have the freedom to spit on them? And you of the ACLU were does your heart lie?!? The ACLU (Anti Christ Liars Union) supports the VERY Scum who killed and tortured my Brothers in Arms, [edited] You ACLU! When I came home from Iraq I was diagnosed with PTSD, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, I was told that I am sick that I am not Right. Then I turned on the TV and I see Dick Durbin saying American soldiers are committing acts of torture at places like Abu Grab and Quantico because they had a Al-Qaida terrorist who saws civilians heads off with their hands tied behind their backs, Al-Qaida terrorist who places bombs on three year old children (I was in Iraq and I seen it first hand!), Al-Qaida terrorist who came in our country when we were at peace and murdered over three thousand American civilians, and they had these terrorist standing on a bar stool with a dunce cap on their head and that?s Torture! Why in the hell didn?t he say a damned thing about Matt Maupin, Shoshana Johnson, Edgar Hernandez, James Riley, Patric Miller, Joseph Hudson, Jacob N. Fritz, Johnathan B. Chism, Shawn P. Falter, Johnathon M. Millican, or any of the other American soldiers who have been captured during this war! Private Kristian Menchaca of Houston and Private Thomas Tucker of Oregon were captured by terrorists in Iraq , hacked to death, their eyes gouged, their bodies defiled.
In fact it was the American soldiers who have died including all those who have been captured in this war (and I haven?t seen seen any enemy POW camps but I?ve seen a [edited] load of bodies that have been tortured to death by these scum that Dick Durbin is defending!) that give Dick Durbin the FREEDOM to call them terrorist for putting some Al-Qaida dirt bag on a bar stool with pajamas and a dunce cap!
I might have PTSD but I?m not the one who is sick it?s DICK DURBIN! Are you Really an AMERICAN DICK?!?! Or just another [edited] up FAG Loving Liberal who hates AMERICA ?
Is this where all my tax money is going to support [edited] like this MORON, who spit on my brothers who have the BALLS to wear the uniform and risk their lives so this sorry excuse of an American can live his pampered lifestyle and spit on the very men and women who die and bleed so he can have the freedom to spit on them?

And you of the ACLU were does your heart lie?!?

The ACLU (Anti Christ Liars Union) supports the VERY Scum who killed and tortured my Brothers in Arms, [edited] You ACLU!

]]> By: Mike Turok http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/10/top-ten-reasons-to-stop-the-aclu/comment-page-2/#comment-40026 Mike Turok Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:54:37 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/11/10/top-ten-reasons-to-stop-the-aclu/#comment-40026 Not only is the ACLU a communist-based organization, racially, it is a Semitic-based organization...somehow, you forgot that. Not only is the ACLU a communist-based organization, racially, it is a Semitic-based organization…somehow, you forgot that.

]]> By: AARP Rip Offs http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/10/top-ten-reasons-to-stop-the-aclu/comment-page-2/#comment-40025 AARP Rip Offs Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:30:23 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/11/10/top-ten-reasons-to-stop-the-aclu/#comment-40025 DON'T BUY INTO AARP - ROBBING OUR ELDERLY AARP supported Bush Administration's Medicaid "reform", that ends up charging seniors more for their prescriptions overall, so that their organization could then sell "supplemental" coverage, making them piles and piles of money. AARP doesn't even stand for "American Association for Retired Persons" anymore, literally. It's just their corporate name now. Look how greedy corporations aren't above ripping off the very constituency that they purport to be helping. AARP - Making millions off the backs of America's elderly. DON’T BUY INTO AARP – ROBBING OUR ELDERLY

AARP supported Bush Administration’s Medicaid “reform”, that ends up charging seniors more for their prescriptions overall, so that their organization could then sell “supplemental” coverage, making them piles and piles of money.

AARP doesn’t even stand for “American Association for Retired Persons” anymore, literally. It’s just their corporate name now. Look how greedy corporations aren’t above ripping off the very constituency that they purport to be helping. AARP – Making millions off the backs of America’s elderly.

]]> By: loboinok http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/10/top-ten-reasons-to-stop-the-aclu/comment-page-2/#comment-40024 loboinok Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:03:14 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/11/10/top-ten-reasons-to-stop-the-aclu/#comment-40024 <i>People like you rely on the ignorant uneducated people who can’t read, or those who are to lazy to read and think for themselves.</i> As opposed to what Silverbear? People like you, educated ignorant people who won't read, or those who are <b>too</b> lazy to read a site that has been here for 3 years and think for themselves? People like you rely on the ignorant uneducated people who can’t read, or those who are to lazy to read and think for themselves.

As opposed to what Silverbear? People like you, educated ignorant people who won’t read, or those who are too lazy to read a site that has been here for 3 years and think for themselves?

]]> By: Silverbear http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/10/top-ten-reasons-to-stop-the-aclu/comment-page-2/#comment-40023 Silverbear Thu, 29 Nov 2007 21:00:53 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/11/10/top-ten-reasons-to-stop-the-aclu/#comment-40023 I'd like to know who the "We" is that you keep talking about. The only link that doesn't work below your logo is the one titled "About Us". So what are you hiding? Are you a Nazi organization disguised as Americans? Or a radical christian group like the American Family Association who hides their hate and bigotry behind the bible? Or are you just a new version of the KKK, who also claimed to be doing "gods work"? One is just as bad as the other in my book. People like you rely on the ignorant uneducated people who can't read, or those who are to lazy to read and think for themselves. I bet you're a pro-lifer and against the death penalty as well. Anything to keep your uneducated ignorant client base intact eh? As long as people like you are around, this world will NEVER know peace. Thanks for nothing! I’d like to know who the “We” is that you keep talking about. The only link that doesn’t work below your logo is the one titled “About Us”. So what are you hiding?
Are you a Nazi organization disguised as Americans? Or a radical christian group like the American Family Association who hides their hate and bigotry behind the bible? Or are you just a new version of the KKK, who also claimed to be doing “gods work”?
One is just as bad as the other in my book. People like you rely on the ignorant uneducated people who can’t read, or those who are to lazy to read and think for themselves. I bet you’re a pro-lifer and against the death penalty as well. Anything to keep your uneducated ignorant client base intact eh? As long as people like you are around, this world will NEVER know peace. Thanks for nothing!

]]> By: q-tip http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/10/top-ten-reasons-to-stop-the-aclu/comment-page-2/#comment-40022 q-tip Sun, 11 Nov 2007 06:50:46 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/11/10/top-ten-reasons-to-stop-the-aclu/#comment-40022 All of your reason's to hate the ACLU, turned out to be reason's to respect it, when properly researched. I value my own and others liberty's above all else, and believe that civil liberties should never be compromised, whatever the price. It is a matter of moral principle to protect all peoples civil rights, and give every one an equal opportunity. All of your reason’s to hate the ACLU, turned out to be reason’s to respect it, when properly researched. I value my own and others liberty’s above all else, and believe that civil liberties should never be compromised, whatever the price. It is a matter of moral principle to protect all peoples civil rights, and give every one an equal opportunity.

]]> By: bill darbyshire http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/10/top-ten-reasons-to-stop-the-aclu/comment-page-2/#comment-40021 bill darbyshire Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:34:08 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/11/10/top-ten-reasons-to-stop-the-aclu/#comment-40021 I say the ACLU fights very, very diligently to protect your Constitutional rights. How did they harm you? You write that Roger Baldwin stated clearly that “Communism is the goal.” Maybe early in his career? But then this: From http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/unitarians/baldwin.html: "Roger Baldwin became less happy with the Popular Front approach and concerned about the very existence of the ACLU after the announcement of the Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact in August 1939. The following spring, in an effort to stave off criticisms of the organization and the cause he had devoted much of his adulthood to, Baldwin orchestrated a campaign to revise the ACLU charter. Henceforth, those affiliated with totalitarian organizations would not be allowed to serve on the ACLU board. The immediate target was the former-Wobbly and present Communist Party member, Elizabeth Gurley Flynn. An organizational "trial" of Flynn ensued, resulting in her ouster and establishing a pattern for anti-communist policies and programs that flourished during the Cold War. In the meantime, Baldwin and the ACLU wrestled with the issue of internment of Japanese-Americans and Japanese aliens, which had been demanded by the U.S. military. In contrast to many of his longtime colleagues at the ACLU, Baldwin continued to challenge such violations of civil liberties, but he also sought to maintain good relations with the federal government. He opposed the prosecution of native fascists and Trotskyists alike, just as he later challenged the moves by government officials to abridge the rights of communists." Seems to me Baldwin changed over the years and you're using an early quote to paint his whole life as one of single-mindedness.... So if the rest of the 10 reasons to stop the ACLU are as well thought out as #10, it's no surprise that, based on spending quite some time reading on your site and by looking over your list of Resources and the “conservative” orgs you cite like the Catholic League, Ten Commandments Defense and Operation Nativity, all y'alls want the United States of America to become a theocracy, despite the Founding Fathers' specific opposition to that. There are many, many original 18th Century documents that demonstrate their staunch opposition to this being a “religious Nation” at http://www.earlyamerica.com if you’d like more. But keep on ranting if you must; many non-critical thinkers out there need you to tell them what to think, just as so many need an organized religion to tell them how to live. I say the ACLU fights very, very diligently to protect your Constitutional rights. How did they harm you?

You write that Roger Baldwin stated clearly that “Communism is the goal.” Maybe early in his career? But then this:

From http://www.harvardsquarelibrary.org/unitarians/baldwin.html: “Roger Baldwin became less happy with the Popular Front approach and concerned about the very existence of the ACLU after the announcement of the Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact in August 1939. The following spring, in an effort to stave off criticisms of the organization and the cause he had devoted much of his adulthood to, Baldwin orchestrated a campaign to revise the ACLU charter. Henceforth, those affiliated with totalitarian organizations would not be allowed to serve on the ACLU board. The immediate target was the former-Wobbly and present Communist Party member, Elizabeth Gurley Flynn. An organizational “trial” of Flynn ensued, resulting in her ouster and establishing a pattern for anti-communist policies and programs that flourished during the Cold War. In the meantime, Baldwin and the ACLU wrestled with the issue of internment of Japanese-Americans and Japanese aliens, which had been demanded by the U.S. military. In contrast to many of his longtime colleagues at the ACLU, Baldwin continued to challenge such violations of civil liberties, but he also sought to maintain good relations with the federal government. He opposed the prosecution of native fascists and Trotskyists alike, just as he later challenged the moves by government officials to abridge the rights of communists.”

Seems to me Baldwin changed over the years and you’re using an early quote to paint his whole life as one of single-mindedness….

So if the rest of the 10 reasons to stop the ACLU are as well thought out as #10, it’s no surprise that, based on spending quite some time reading on your site and by looking over your list of Resources and the “conservative” orgs you cite like the Catholic League, Ten Commandments Defense and Operation Nativity, all y’alls want the United States of America to become a theocracy, despite the Founding Fathers’ specific opposition to that. There are many, many original 18th Century documents that demonstrate their staunch opposition to this being a “religious Nation” at http://www.earlyamerica.com if you’d like more.

But keep on ranting if you must; many non-critical thinkers out there need you to tell them what to think, just as so many need an organized religion to tell them how to live.

]]> By: Patrick http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/10/top-ten-reasons-to-stop-the-aclu/comment-page-2/#comment-40020 Patrick Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:29:29 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/11/10/top-ten-reasons-to-stop-the-aclu/#comment-40020 Stop the ACLU lists 10 REASONS WHY the ACLU should be stopped, starting with REASON # 10 which asserts that it was started by Communists. The founders of what was to evolve into the ACLU began with a woman's suffragette whose efforts resulted, among other things with the establishment of Worker's Compensation, a law that has been of great benefit to millions of Americans. The co-founder was Anti-Communist and led a movement to rid the ACLU of any connection to the Communist Party. When an organization such as STOP the ACLU sets out to establish the basis for their elimination of another and resorts to complete untruths such as their REASON # 10 which is both false and irresponsible, their credibility goes over a cliff. Their 10 REASONS were written out in reverse order, showing #10 first. After reading their first listed, it was immediately clear to me that this STOP THE ACLU outfit belongs at the bottom of the barrel and it wasn't necessary to read any further. Our liberties rely upon freedom of expression and freedom of speech. It is one of the fundamental values of our Nation. There are all kinds of necessary checks and balances which operate to keep us free, we may not agree with all of them all of the time but can agree with some of them most of the time. I am not and never have been an ACLU member but it is for darn sure that I do not support LIARS who rely upon falsities to drive their agenda and if you support such an organization then you are no better than the worst of the ACLU. Stop the ACLU lists 10 REASONS WHY the ACLU should be stopped, starting with REASON # 10 which asserts that it was started by Communists. The founders of what was to evolve into the ACLU began with a woman’s suffragette whose efforts resulted, among other things with the establishment of Worker’s Compensation, a law that has been of great benefit to millions of Americans.

The co-founder was Anti-Communist and led a movement to rid the ACLU of any connection to the Communist Party.

When an organization such as STOP the ACLU sets out to establish the basis for their elimination of another and resorts to complete untruths such as their REASON # 10 which is both false and irresponsible, their credibility goes over a cliff. Their 10 REASONS were written out in reverse order, showing #10 first. After reading their first listed, it was immediately clear to me that this STOP THE ACLU outfit belongs at the bottom of the barrel and it wasn’t necessary to read any further.

Our liberties rely upon freedom of expression and freedom of speech. It is one of the fundamental values of our Nation. There are all kinds of necessary checks and balances which operate to keep us free, we may not agree with all of them all of the time but can agree with some of them most of the time.

I am not and never have been an ACLU member but it is for darn sure that I do not support LIARS who rely upon falsities to drive their agenda and if you support such an organization then you are no better than the worst of the ACLU.

]]> By: Dimsdale http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/10/top-ten-reasons-to-stop-the-aclu/comment-page-2/#comment-40019 Dimsdale Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:16:33 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/11/10/top-ten-reasons-to-stop-the-aclu/#comment-40019 Oh my, I stand "corrected:" the ACLU actually did defend the rights of a homeowner against eminent domain: ************************************************* http://www.aclu-nj.org/pressroom/aclunjdefendspropertyowner.htm October 18, 2005 Newark, NJ -- The ACLU-NJ announced today that it is representing tavern owner Cheng "Terry" Tan who is fighting the Jersey City Redevelopment Agency's attempt to take his restaurant by eminent domain. Jersey City officials want to take Mr. Tan's land to give it to a parochial school, St. Peter's Prep, for its football field. ************************************************* Yeah, they are right there when a parochial (read it: Catholic) school needs some land!! Oh my, I stand “corrected:” the ACLU actually did defend the rights of a homeowner against eminent domain:

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http://www.aclu-nj.org/pressroom/aclunjdefendspropertyowner.htm
October 18, 2005

Newark, NJ — The ACLU-NJ announced today that it is representing tavern owner Cheng “Terry” Tan who is fighting the Jersey City Redevelopment Agency’s attempt to take his restaurant by eminent domain. Jersey City officials want to take Mr. Tan’s land to give it to a parochial school, St. Peter’s Prep, for its football field.
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Yeah, they are right there when a parochial (read it: Catholic) school needs some land!!

]]> By: Dimsdale http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/10/top-ten-reasons-to-stop-the-aclu/comment-page-2/#comment-40018 Dimsdale Fri, 19 Oct 2007 16:09:48 +0000 http://stoptheaclu.dreamhosters.com/archives/2005/11/10/top-ten-reasons-to-stop-the-aclu/#comment-40018 When I inquired about the ACLU's stance on the Kelo decision (the use of eminent domain to transfer land from one private owner to another to further economic development. Seizure of houses in New London CT for more taxes), they said they took no position. I asked both the National and the Connecticut chapters. Neither gave a tinker's damn about the civil rights of people to own a house unmolested by a government in search of more taxable property. Maybe if it had been the houses of illegal aliens......? When I inquired about the ACLU’s stance on the Kelo decision (the use of eminent domain to transfer land from one private owner to another to further economic development. Seizure of houses in New London CT for more taxes), they said they took no position. I asked both the National and the Connecticut chapters. Neither gave a tinker’s damn about the civil rights of people to own a house unmolested by a government in search of more taxable property.

Maybe if it had been the houses of illegal aliens……?

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