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	<title>Comments on: Prop. 73: Abortion Notification</title>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/07/prop-73-abortion-notification/comment-page-1/#comment-39692</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 09:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bethany! You are my hero!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bethany! You are my hero!</p>
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		<title>By: Bethany</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/07/prop-73-abortion-notification/comment-page-1/#comment-39691</link>
		<dc:creator>Bethany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 15:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that it matters because what&#039;s done is done, but here are some thoughts...

	While many of you are correct in saying that a parent should be responsible for their child&#039;s actions, the operative word is SHOULD.  I assume that most of you come from wonderful loving families where little Suzie gets grounded for a week when she comes home late, which is fine.  However, it is awfully presumptuous of you to think that all children have the luxury of a family like yours.  Like it or not, there ARE abusive families out there... there are fathers that drink and mothers that do drugs... There are fathers that sexually abuse their children and there are mothers that allow their boyfriends to do the same.  I doubt that these parents take the same kind of responsibility for their children&#039;s actions as you fine people do.  Now if little Suzie gets thrown into a wall over not putting her glass in the dishwasher, imagine what&#039;s going to happen to her when her parents get notified that she&#039;s going to get an abortion.  Are you going to be there to protect her?  I doubt it.  Highly.  And while I realize that you&#039;re all saying to yourselves &quot;Well she can get a waiver...&quot; I beg you to think logically for just a moment.  A 13-17 year old girl finds out she&#039;s pregnant and decides to go through with an abortion, that&#039;s a lot on a teenager&#039;s plate.  On top of that, she&#039;s scared to death that her parents are going to find out and beat the crap out of her.  And now you think she&#039;s in a position to actually navigate the legal system in order to get a waiver?  Yeah, right.  I doubt a non-pregnant, non-abused teenager could do this, let alone poor little Suzie.

	My point, you wonderfully naive pro-lifers, is that no matter what the government does, it can&#039;t establish a happy home for you.  If you feel that you should be notified when your daughter has an abortion, that&#039;s fine.  I hope that you&#039;re a good enough parent to establish those lines of communication between you and your child.  However, in the event that you aren&#039;t, how dare you ask the government to put other children in a dangerous situation just because you couldn&#039;t do your job as a parent.  I applaud you for recognizing that you are responsible for your children&#039;s actions... the next step is recognizing that you are responsible for your own actions as a parent and the relationship with your child that results from those actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that it matters because what&#8217;s done is done, but here are some thoughts&#8230;</p>
<p>	While many of you are correct in saying that a parent should be responsible for their child&#8217;s actions, the operative word is SHOULD.  I assume that most of you come from wonderful loving families where little Suzie gets grounded for a week when she comes home late, which is fine.  However, it is awfully presumptuous of you to think that all children have the luxury of a family like yours.  Like it or not, there ARE abusive families out there&#8230; there are fathers that drink and mothers that do drugs&#8230; There are fathers that sexually abuse their children and there are mothers that allow their boyfriends to do the same.  I doubt that these parents take the same kind of responsibility for their children&#8217;s actions as you fine people do.  Now if little Suzie gets thrown into a wall over not putting her glass in the dishwasher, imagine what&#8217;s going to happen to her when her parents get notified that she&#8217;s going to get an abortion.  Are you going to be there to protect her?  I doubt it.  Highly.  And while I realize that you&#8217;re all saying to yourselves &#8220;Well she can get a waiver&#8230;&#8221; I beg you to think logically for just a moment.  A 13-17 year old girl finds out she&#8217;s pregnant and decides to go through with an abortion, that&#8217;s a lot on a teenager&#8217;s plate.  On top of that, she&#8217;s scared to death that her parents are going to find out and beat the crap out of her.  And now you think she&#8217;s in a position to actually navigate the legal system in order to get a waiver?  Yeah, right.  I doubt a non-pregnant, non-abused teenager could do this, let alone poor little Suzie.</p>
<p>	My point, you wonderfully naive pro-lifers, is that no matter what the government does, it can&#8217;t establish a happy home for you.  If you feel that you should be notified when your daughter has an abortion, that&#8217;s fine.  I hope that you&#8217;re a good enough parent to establish those lines of communication between you and your child.  However, in the event that you aren&#8217;t, how dare you ask the government to put other children in a dangerous situation just because you couldn&#8217;t do your job as a parent.  I applaud you for recognizing that you are responsible for your children&#8217;s actions&#8230; the next step is recognizing that you are responsible for your own actions as a parent and the relationship with your child that results from those actions.</p>
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		<title>By: kender</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/07/prop-73-abortion-notification/comment-page-1/#comment-39690</link>
		<dc:creator>kender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 20:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a child were to get an abortion, and die during the procedure, and parental consent had NOT been obtained, the lawsuits would fly, and rightfully so.

	Parents are responsible for their children, period.  IF they weren&#039;t then parents could not be sued when their bratty little urchins caused damage to someone&#039;s property.

	We have here a dichotomy, where parents are legally responsible if their children cause damage, but not allowed to interfere with the most personal aspects of their childrens lives.

	So which is it?  Is a parent responsible for their child&#039;s actions and care until that child is an adult?  Or is a parent only responsible when that child causes monetary damages and not responsible for protecting that child from decisions that could cause damage for life to themselves?

	In boils down to this;  What is more important to us as a society?  Making sure that our stuff gets paid for when damage occurs? Or making sure that people have the chance to raise good, solid adults?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a child were to get an abortion, and die during the procedure, and parental consent had NOT been obtained, the lawsuits would fly, and rightfully so.</p>
<p>	Parents are responsible for their children, period.  IF they weren&#8217;t then parents could not be sued when their bratty little urchins caused damage to someone&#8217;s property.</p>
<p>	We have here a dichotomy, where parents are legally responsible if their children cause damage, but not allowed to interfere with the most personal aspects of their childrens lives.</p>
<p>	So which is it?  Is a parent responsible for their child&#8217;s actions and care until that child is an adult?  Or is a parent only responsible when that child causes monetary damages and not responsible for protecting that child from decisions that could cause damage for life to themselves?</p>
<p>	In boils down to this;  What is more important to us as a society?  Making sure that our stuff gets paid for when damage occurs? Or making sure that people have the chance to raise good, solid adults?</p>
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		<title>By: Dethanial</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/07/prop-73-abortion-notification/comment-page-1/#comment-39689</link>
		<dc:creator>Dethanial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that if a minor goes and tries to get an abortion that some one whould find out who the father is and if it is someone in the family is involved then the authorities would get involved.  Then parential rights would then be lost.  Then the new legal custodian would have the right to be notified. That is my thought to Veronika.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that if a minor goes and tries to get an abortion that some one whould find out who the father is and if it is someone in the family is involved then the authorities would get involved.  Then parential rights would then be lost.  Then the new legal custodian would have the right to be notified. That is my thought to Veronika.</p>
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		<title>By: Jinx McHue</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/07/prop-73-abortion-notification/comment-page-1/#comment-39688</link>
		<dc:creator>Jinx McHue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 18:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Response to Veronika:

	Exactly how will abortion solve such problems?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Response to Veronika:</p>
<p>	Exactly how will abortion solve such problems?</p>
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		<title>By: California Conservative</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/07/prop-73-abortion-notification/comment-page-1/#comment-39687</link>
		<dc:creator>California Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 17:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. Jay: Thanks for linking to this important proposition, and all the rest of our special election coverage.

	Very much appreciated. Tomorrow&#039;s the big day, and it&#039;s gonna be a nail-biter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. Jay: Thanks for linking to this important proposition, and all the rest of our special election coverage.</p>
<p>	Very much appreciated. Tomorrow&#8217;s the big day, and it&#8217;s gonna be a nail-biter.</p>
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		<title>By: California Conservative</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/07/prop-73-abortion-notification/comment-page-1/#comment-39686</link>
		<dc:creator>California Conservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 17:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Veronika,

	If a 10-yr-old girl gets pregnant after being raped by an evil step-father or uncle, and is too afraid to tell her mother about, that represents a far greater problem and risk than this Prop. addresses.

	Furthermore, Prop. 73 IS NOT about an age requirement for abortion. IT IS simply about parental notification. As custodians of their children (considered minors), they SHOULD have the right to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Veronika,</p>
<p>	If a 10-yr-old girl gets pregnant after being raped by an evil step-father or uncle, and is too afraid to tell her mother about, that represents a far greater problem and risk than this Prop. addresses.</p>
<p>	Furthermore, Prop. 73 IS NOT about an age requirement for abortion. IT IS simply about parental notification. As custodians of their children (considered minors), they SHOULD have the right to know.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/07/prop-73-abortion-notification/comment-page-1/#comment-39685</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I was wondering the same thing actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I was wondering the same thing actually.</p>
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		<title>By: rightwingprof</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/07/prop-73-abortion-notification/comment-page-1/#comment-39684</link>
		<dc:creator>rightwingprof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 13:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Legal age to drive 18? 18? Huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Legal age to drive 18? 18? Huh?</p>
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		<title>By: Veronika</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/11/07/prop-73-abortion-notification/comment-page-1/#comment-39683</link>
		<dc:creator>Veronika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 10:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this comment here is to be provocative, but I  can&#039;t help leaving it here. I bet some of you will be shocked, but I read this post can could not help leaving a thought here:
	you are writing about an age requirement to have an abortion, but one of the thoughts that crossed my mind automatically when I read this was the following: the majority of people who abuse children sexually do so within their own family. what about a young teenage girl who gets pregnant that way? Should a 10-year-old girl have to be a mother because some creep made her have sex with him?  just some questions....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this comment here is to be provocative, but I  can&#8217;t help leaving it here. I bet some of you will be shocked, but I read this post can could not help leaving a thought here:<br />
	you are writing about an age requirement to have an abortion, but one of the thoughts that crossed my mind automatically when I read this was the following: the majority of people who abuse children sexually do so within their own family. what about a young teenage girl who gets pregnant that way? Should a 10-year-old girl have to be a mother because some creep made her have sex with him?  just some questions&#8230;.</p>
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