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	<title>Comments on: Religion Is A Basic Human Right</title>
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	<description>Beating Them With Their Own Sickle And Hammer</description>
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		<title>By: Comfy</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/10/29/religion-is-a-basic-human-right/comment-page-1/#comment-39055</link>
		<dc:creator>Comfy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I probably should switch to decaf, but I probably won&#039;t.

	And I defintely will think about this a lot.  It&#039;s an interesting debate.  But rather than rely on centuries-old dogma, I will use my own brain along with the best information available to me today to help me arrive at my own conclusions.  And I hope you&#039;ll do the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I probably should switch to decaf, but I probably won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>	And I defintely will think about this a lot.  It&#8217;s an interesting debate.  But rather than rely on centuries-old dogma, I will use my own brain along with the best information available to me today to help me arrive at my own conclusions.  And I hope you&#8217;ll do the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 00:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you need to pray about this and switch to decaf.</description>
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		<title>By: Comfy</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/10/29/religion-is-a-basic-human-right/comment-page-1/#comment-39053</link>
		<dc:creator>Comfy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2005 16:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;People who are truly religiously convicted do not &#039;pretend&#039;&quot;?

	They don&#039;t huh.  OK.  So what they&#039;re doing is stating facts?  So Allah does want them to be suicide bombers.  And that&#039;s not made up by people.    And god does think that Israel is the holy land for Jews.  I&#039;m starting to get it.  And god really does hate gay people, except when he doesn&#039;t.

	Yes, that&#039;s very healthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;People who are truly religiously convicted do not &#8216;pretend&#8217;&#8221;?</p>
<p>	They don&#8217;t huh.  OK.  So what they&#8217;re doing is stating facts?  So Allah does want them to be suicide bombers.  And that&#8217;s not made up by people.    And god does think that Israel is the holy land for Jews.  I&#8217;m starting to get it.  And god really does hate gay people, except when he doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>	Yes, that&#8217;s very healthy.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2005 00:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your choice of words already gives away what you are. People who are truly religiously convicted do not &quot;pretend&quot;. Your premise is untenable, rendering your &quot;argument&quot; silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your choice of words already gives away what you are. People who are truly religiously convicted do not &#8220;pretend&#8221;. Your premise is untenable, rendering your &#8220;argument&#8221; silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Billoblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billoblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 23:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Thinking of joining the ACLU?&lt;/strong&gt;
	.

	I was once a member of the ACLU, until I noted it&#039;s out and out hatred for the free expression of religion.  There are alternatives, such as the Becket fund, which states:


	Freedom of religion is a basic human right that no government may law...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Thinking of joining the ACLU?</strong><br />
	.</p>
<p>	I was once a member of the ACLU, until I noted it&#8217;s out and out hatred for the free expression of religion.  There are alternatives, such as the Becket fund, which states:</p>
<p>	Freedom of religion is a basic human right that no government may law&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Comfy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comfy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want to start up a Monty Python skit, but it&#039;s the same logic.

	&quot;I pretend that god thinks X, therefore we should do Y&quot;.  I&#039;m arguing my point based on what I like to pretend god thinks.  That&#039;s a religious argument.  And it&#039;s perfectly ok.  And it&#039;s legal in most countries.  And the ACLU has long defended people&#039;s rights to pretend stuff.

	But there are other people who pretend that god thinks Z, and therefore they should do Q.  That&#039;s cool too.  After all it&#039;s just pretend.

	But when they debate (or gainsay) this, there is nothing healthy about it.  They&#039;re debating what&#039;s better to pretend.  It&#039;s absolutely silly, and people end up getting killed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to start up a Monty Python skit, but it&#8217;s the same logic.</p>
<p>	&#8220;I pretend that god thinks X, therefore we should do Y&#8221;.  I&#8217;m arguing my point based on what I like to pretend god thinks.  That&#8217;s a religious argument.  And it&#8217;s perfectly ok.  And it&#8217;s legal in most countries.  And the ACLU has long defended people&#8217;s rights to pretend stuff.</p>
<p>	But there are other people who pretend that god thinks Z, and therefore they should do Q.  That&#8217;s cool too.  After all it&#8217;s just pretend.</p>
<p>	But when they debate (or gainsay) this, there is nothing healthy about it.  They&#8217;re debating what&#8217;s better to pretend.  It&#8217;s absolutely silly, and people end up getting killed.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2005/10/29/religion-is-a-basic-human-right/comment-page-1/#comment-39049</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re talking about debate not gainsaying. There is a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re talking about debate not gainsaying. There is a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Comfy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comfy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Religious arguments (on all sides of a question) are a normal and healthy element of public debate.&quot;

	They are?  You&#039;re joking, right?  Religious arguments throughout history have managed to be both silly and deadly.

	Here&#039;s an example of a religious argument:

	Palestinian: &quot;My god says that this is my holy land.&quot;

	Jew: &quot;My god says it&#039;s mine.&quot;

	Is that healthy?  Obviously not.    The problem is that one group is pretending that god takes one stance and the other group pretends god takes another, mutually exclusive stance.   It&#039;s not an argument that has been settled healthily.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Religious arguments (on all sides of a question) are a normal and healthy element of public debate.&#8221;</p>
<p>	They are?  You&#8217;re joking, right?  Religious arguments throughout history have managed to be both silly and deadly.</p>
<p>	Here&#8217;s an example of a religious argument:</p>
<p>	Palestinian: &#8220;My god says that this is my holy land.&#8221;</p>
<p>	Jew: &#8220;My god says it&#8217;s mine.&#8221;</p>
<p>	Is that healthy?  Obviously not.    The problem is that one group is pretending that god takes one stance and the other group pretends god takes another, mutually exclusive stance.   It&#8217;s not an argument that has been settled healthily.</p>
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