School Teaching Children To Be Muslims
Hat tip to Gina’s Rantings
ANN ARBOR, MI — On Wednesday, October 19, 2005, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit in San Francisco, California, will hear oral arguments in Eklund v. Byron Union School District. The Thomas More Law Center, a national public interest law firm based in Ann Arbor, Michigan, represents several parents and children who challenged the Byron Union School District’s practice of teaching twelve-year-old students “to become Muslims.”
For three weeks, impressionable twelve-year-old students were, among other things, placed into Islamic city groups, took Islamic names, wore identification tags that displayed their new Islamic name and the Star and Crescent Moon, which is the symbol of Muslims, were handed materials that instructed them to “Remember Allah always so that you may prosper,” completed the Islamic Five Pillars of Faith, including fasting, and memorized and recited the “Bismillah” or “In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate,” which students also wrote on banners that were hung on the classroom walls.A federal district court judge in San Francisco had previously determined that the school district had not violated the constitution.
According to Richard Thompson, Chief Counsel of the Law Center, “There is a double-standard at play in this case. If the students had done similar activities in a class on Christianity, a constitutional violation would surely have been found. If the public school’s practice is upheld on appeal, all public schools should begin teaching classes on Christianity in the same manner as the Islam class was taught in this case.”
Double standard indeed. Public schools can’t even have a nativity scene in a Christmas play without the ACLU jumping on them like a rabid wolf in the bushes. But these schools think they can teach our children the religion that wants to kill us all? Teach us to be tolerant to the intolerant religion of hate? I don’t have a problem teaching our children how different religions have influenced the world around them, and that even includes the religion of hate, but it should be across the board, and should not include indoctrination. If Islam is allowed to be taught, then Christianity should be too. Where are the sensitive atheist parents on this one? Where is the ACLU?
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Posted by Jay on October 18, 2005 12:15 am
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The sensitive atheist parents know that Muslims might just as soon hack their heads off as look at them, so they keep their yaps shut.
The ACLU is all for this, as it continues their crusade (no pun intended….I don’t think) of removing all vestiges of Christianity from sight.
Double standards and positions lacking logic have long been a hallmark of the ACLU. Consider their stance on child porn for a position lacking logic and this very thing of taking on christianity and leaving a danger such as Islam in our schools for the classic double standard.
The ACLU’s stance on this issue, I will wager, is that Islam should be taught for the sake of “tolerance” and “understanding”.
No matter, I will post about this once I talk to the ACLU tomorrow.
When I talked to the ACLU lady in Pensylvania about the flight 93 memorial she didn’t even seem all that interested. I have retracked back that post for you.
I linked to your post at TwoBabes with a post called what are we afraid of…I can’t get the trackback thing to work–not sure why…sorry
Chris
and of course this is perfectly reasonable for those in the anti-Christian left.
But of course, not of this shocks me. This is the way we should expect it to be.
Heh. I was wondering when that little educational (read: indoctrinational) experiment was gonna hit the courts. The parents originally just wanted a “cease-and-desist” but the District caliphs are just soooooo much wiser than the masses.
Of note is that the teachers balked. They were threatened into it by the Board of Ed and the California NEA hierarchy backed the Board. Looks like another good argument for the dictum that unions exist solely to provide union bosses with jobs.
I thought it was extremely ignorant to call Islam a religion of hate… You do know that christianity was used as a justification for the crusades, don’t you?
Oh, and to quote the bible from Numbers XXI,13: “And Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the congregation, went to meet them outside the camp.
But moses was angry with the officers of the army, with the captains over thousands and captains over hundreds, who had come from the battle.
And Moses said to them: “Have you kept all the women alive?
‘Look, these women caused the children of israel through the counsel of balaam to trespass against the Lord in the incident of Peor and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord.
Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man intimately.
But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately.’”
Moses tells his followers to kill all the innocent boys and non-virgin women, but to take the virgins for themselves. Religion of hate?
On the issue of whether or not what the school did is right… That is indeed a tough one. On one hand it is a culture that is not understood as christianity is. On the other a double standard does seem somewhat unfair. I think the best way to figure all of this out is to run it through the Lemon test.
1.The government’s action must have a legitimate secular purpose.
Education of an entire culture, the thing I see here is that they are teaching about the predominant middle-eastern culture and its founding principles.
(America wasn’t founded based upon christianity: “The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.”
-Thomas Jefferson)
2.The government’s action must not have the primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion.
Here is where the school is in a sticky situation. Actually doing the pillars and memorizing a prayer clearly violate the lemon test. It fails on this ground.
3.The government’s action must not result in an “excessive entanglement” of the government and religion.
This really isn’t an issue, as it is not sanctioned by any mosque.
Overall, I think it is clear to see that the school is, infact, violating the constitutional rights of the children. Teaching them about Islam, showing them some prayers, and teaching them about the middle-eastern culture would be okay. But it is clear to see that the prayer as an assignment to be memorized and the completion of the 5 pillars is beyond what should be done in schools.
I dont know how the US system works, but in the UK, all faiths are taught to all children in state schools.
Either way, Islam is a religion of peace and should be taught and spread throughout the world. It is beyond me why any parent would not want their child to praise god and follow the good Islamic morals and values that exist. Therefore teaching them against the stereotypes and for equality.
Nevertheless, you will ignore this factor as you have obviously ignored the mass of Christian atrocities committed.
Jamal, islam is not a religion of peace. It may be claimed to be that, however Islam was born of war, and to follow the koran as it is written is to not live peacefully until the world is completely muslim.
Now tell me, what good islamic morals would those be? Stoning women for adultery? Beheading infidels? And don’t try to tell me about what the Christians have done in the past. We are living in the now, which is much different than the past, of course, and Christians no longer stone women or cut the hands off of thieves. Those few christians that DO commit atrocities in the name of Christ are condemned heavily and actively by the church.
Muslims are NOT condemning radicals in any but a cursory manner.
If you have a link regarding “Christian Atrocities” that doesn’t deal with a history that the Christian Church has outgrown please send it on. Otherwise realize that islam is living by rules, codes and beliefs that haven’t changed since the eighth century, except now they can kill many more indfidels in one attack with a homicide bomber than they could with a sword.
Actually, standard Islam doctrine doesn’t teach its followers to go to war in any case but to defend their faith… Bastardization of the doctrine is no different than the catholic church in the day of Hitler. THERE is an example.
“Islam was born of war” Note my previous post which QUOTES the bible.
Jay! You rock!
Nathan Zimmerman…
Oh, and to quote the bible from Numbers XXI,13: “And Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the congregation, went to meet them…
What, or should I say, whos Bible are you referencing?
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“America wasn’t founded based upon christianity: “The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.”
-Thomas Jefferson”
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The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend all to the happiness of mankind.
(Source: Thomas Jefferson, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Albert Bergh, editor (Washington, D. C.: Thomas Jefferson Memorial Assoc., 1904), Vol. XV, p. 383.)
I concur with the author in considering the moral precepts of Jesus as more pure, correct, and sublime than those of ancient philosophers.
(Source: Thomas Jefferson, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Albert Bergh, editor (Washington, D. C.: Thomas Jefferson Memorial Assoc., 1904), Vol. X, pp. 376-377. In a letter to Edward Dowse on April 19, 1803.)
Pennsylvania Supreme Court
No free government now exists in the world, unless where Christianity is acknowledged, and is the religion of the country.
(Source: Pennsylvania Supreme Court, 1824. Updegraph v. Cmmonwealth; 11 Serg. & R. 393, 406 (Sup.Ct. Penn. 1824).)
By renouncing the Bible, philosophers swing from their moorings upon all moral subjects. . . . It is the only correct map of the human heart that ever has been published. . . . All systems of religion, morals, and government not founded upon it [the Bible] must perish, and how consoling the thought, it will not only survive the wreck of these systems but the world itself. “The Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.” [Matthew 1:18]
(Source: Benjamin Rush, Letters of Benjamin Rush, L. H. Butterfield, editor (Princeton, NJ: Princeton University Press, 1951), p. 936, to John Adams, January 23, 1807.)
I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ. [12] Thomas Jefferson
The ACLU has to be asked to represent a party. The plaintiffs chose to ask the Thomas More Center.
Jefferson may have been a christian but he hardly supported your sort of state-sponsered religion.
“I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature…..Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make half the world fools and half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the world”
Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Notes
To call Islam a religion of hate does nothing but to show your own ignorance.
If you knew anything about islam you would know that in its teachings it is much like christianity. Not all Muslims follow thier religion to the word Just the same as many christians do not follow the teachings of jesus very closely. (Think, what about all of those people who were killed by christians bombing abortion clinics)
(Think, what about all of those people who were killed by christians bombing abortion clinics)
That was not per the instructions of Christianity. Allah repeatedly tells Muslims to kill Non-Muslims. Sure, most Muslims do not follow those laws, but that does not change the fact that Islam instructs it.
Also, when something violent happens in Christianity, it is in story form. Moses did this, God smote that… It does not instruct Christians to smite at the neck of non-believers like the Koran does.
bob…
“Jefferson may have been a christian but he hardly supported your sort of state-sponsered religion.”
Jefferson is a Christian ‘in fact’ and as such, supported true Christianity.
The opposition you quote, was to Christian ‘in name’ only.
Much like Dinos and Rinos are in the political parties of today.
If you are going to make a claim of state-sponsered religion to me, post facts and proof, not opinion.
And when or if you do, quote in context.
It is ironic that two prominent Founding Fathers who owned slaves (Thomas Jefferson and George Washington) were both early–albeit unsuccessful–pioneers in the movement to end slavery in their State and in the nation.
Were Jefferson and Washington pro or anti-slavery bob?
loboinok, you really really really misinterpreted Jefferson.
He was a Deist–when he says he believes in Jesus’ teachings, that means that his PHILOSOPHY of peace and goodwill towards men. Note he says “true Christian” to note the difference of his beliefs to that of religious christians. He is a secular Christian and a religious Deist.
Read Thomas Paine’s The Age of Reason to see what your FOUNDING FATHERS think of religion.
Oh and that quote from Numbers to which you asked “what bible is that from?”
THAT IS FROM EVERY BIBLE EVER PRINTED. THERE ARE NONE THAT DO NOT CONTAIN THAT TEXT.
Islam teaches “holy war” just as much as the bible. Again, REFER TO MY QUOTE FROM THE BIBLE.
Washington freed all of his slaves, by the way.
1st of all who ever wrote this article dosn’t even know what are the 5 pillars of islam so he/she should shut da hell up cuz he jus racist and against muslims all he /she is saying is bull 2 any