How come no mention of what the pledge says and no mention of the inscription on the ring–which by the way is a quote from the Bible…you really want the government involved in religion? becuase that is what you are going to get when you allow the government to be involved in these programs.

Also, how come no discussion above or at least a mention as to what the program did to violate the rules of faith based programs receiving federal monies?

This seems like a one-sided and not accurate presentation of this program to achieve making your point. There were a lot of other faith based programs that received money that were actually effective. When you ignore tham for faith-based propaganda programs you kind of hint at what you are really after and it really doesn’t seem like it is just the funding of effective faith based programs or non-discrimination against the Christian Faith.

Because the government is spending $170 million a year on these programs, with individual states kicking in millions as well, and like as not, many of these are in fact run by religious groups who have no qualms about spreading lies (e.g., HIV can be spread through kissing and tears, oral contraceptives *increase* the risks of pregnancy, and contraceptives cause psychiatric problems) and bringing God into the equation.

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/111805030118661.xml&coll=2

Similar abuses have taken place elsewhere in the country.

“”Many American youngsters participating in federally funded, abstinence-only programs have been taught over the past three years that abortion can lead to sterility and suicide, that half the gay male teenagers in the United States have tested positive for the AIDS virus, and that touching a person’s genitals ‘can result in pregnancy,’ a congressional staff analysis has found.”

Nice.

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041202/REPOSITORY/412020367/1037/NEWS04

Even if these shady groups didn’t exist, preaching abstinence, whjile lovely in principle, doesn’t work. In fact, abstinence programs are an abject failure, as the article in the Monitor reveals. Teenagers are not going to quit screwing.

I agree that people who think they can fall back on abortion if they get pregnant are misguided, but you might note that abortion happens to be legal in the United States right now. You also might note that this is in fact a First Amendment issue. But if you think goverment money (that’s taxpayer money) should go to funding morons and liars, by all means speak out against the ACLU on this one.